Dak Is/Isn’t A Franchise QB Thread

[Cydios]

Inconsistency. His throws are all over the place; high, behind, low and perfect.

Personally I don't think we have other options at this position right now or even in the near future. Considering how our defense (or lack there of) has been, we have bigger problems. Dak has put up some numbers period, but when you have a defense making the worst QB's in the league look like Tom Brady, the last thing we should be talking about is Dak. I still believe the emphasis should be a ground game. We Rush Zeke 11 times on that first drive and then another 11 the rest of the game.
If the question is "should we pay him" We should, just not the amount his camp is asking for. I'm sure Jerry knows that.

 

[HappyOnions]

It remains to be seen.

Is he the problem or is it the obviously inept coaching staff?

The only way to know is to bring in a competent coach and see what happens.

Im not entirely ready to give up on him yet.

 

[nightrain]

Personally I don't think we have other options at this position right now or even in the near future. Considering how our defense (or lack there of) has been, we have bigger problems. Dak has put up some numbers period, but when you have a defense making the worst QB's in the league look like Tom Brady, the last thing we should be talking about is Dak. I still believe the emphasis should be a ground game. We Rush Zeke 11 times on that first drive and then another 11 the rest of the game.
If the question is "should we pay him" We should, just not the amount his camp is asking for. I'm sure Jerry knows that.

Right now I am in the move on from him camp. Maybe they can franchise him and trade him. The Cowboys roster is such a mess that they need Aaron Rodgers or Brees to play QB in order to pull out some wins. Dak's play is just too uneven to hand him all that money. What does he look like with less talent around him? A case can certainly be made the offensive side of the ball will see a decline in talent as other areas of the roster get addressed.

 

[Cydios]

Right now I am in the move on from him camp. Maybe they can franchise him and trade him. The Cowboys roster is such a mess that they need Aaron Rodgers or Brees to play QB in order to pull out some wins. Dak's play is just too uneven to hand him all that money. What does he look like with less talent around him? A case can certainly be made the offensive side of the ball will see a decline in talent as other areas of the roster get addressed.

The point I'm making is that there's no a QB in site who can be the next Brady or Rodgers. Both Mahomes and Lamar were accidental finds. Dak can get it done. We're scoring 25 points a game, but the opposing is scoring 30. This is the same thing we said about Romo. Romo had no defense (and of offensive line). Dallas failed Romo and will fail Dak if they don't wake up and get someone who can manage this team. This more on Jerry than anyone else. The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Any CEO would have been fired. Unfortunately Jerry is also the owner. He's done more for Dallas than any other owner, but he doesn't understand that his time is up. Pass on the proverbial torch for gods sake.

 

[75boyz]

When many here, in the media and Hall of Famer Troy Aikman were saying "you either have it or you don't" with regards to passing accuracy this is what we meant.

Sure, Dak got some coaching and worked on his fundamentals and saw some progress in practice and early on against the weakest defenses in the league.

Unfortunately, when it gets real and the pressure mounts, when there is no time to think just to react, the tendency is for us humans to revert to our base instincts and the training goes out the window.

In other words, you either have it or you don't.

You nailed it bro.
He keeps re-booting to his factory settings and that was the reason he was a 4th rounder to begin with. My biggest physical trait I look for in a QB is fundamental accuracy. Does he throw an accurate ball?

For all the reasons you, Warner last year and Troy several times over, the guy can not "consistently" throw accurate NFL passes. That's with time, without time, with receiver separation or without.

It wasn't all Linehans fault. Hurns and Beasley weren't lying.

Now cue all the distant relatives rebuttals of "all QBs" miss throws. Spare me.

 

[eternaljester81]

When many here, in the media and Hall of Famer Troy Aikman were saying "you either have it or you don't" with regards to passing accuracy this is what we meant.

Sure, Dak got some coaching and worked on his fundamentals and saw some progress in practice and early on against the weakest defenses in the league.

Unfortunately, when it gets real and the pressure mounts, when there is no time to think just to react, the tendency is for us humans to revert to our base instincts and the training goes out the window.

In other words, you either have it or you don't.

What about when Aikman recently said to pay Dak?

 

[Vtwin]

What about when Aikman recently said to pay Dak?

I started to come around on Dak myself this season. Noticable improvements. Unfortunately when the heat got turned on he reverted to old Dak. That was my point.

I didn't hear Aikman saying anything about paying Dak last night.

 

[Alexander]

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

I'm not sure how we can judge any of the players until we see how they play under real coaching.

 

[HungryLion]

Being a gun slinger was never Troy's style. That's not his mindset. His passing was a compliment to the offense, not the dominant factor, and his strength was precision in the entire offense, including the running game, and holding the players to a level of excellence and accountability.

I’m not implying he was a gun slinger. But the NFL is different nowadays. Troy’s skill set would translate to today’s NFL. You could ask Troy to drop back and pass 50 times if needed and he could do it no problem in the modern NFL.

 

[irishline]

yes because we had 4 possesions that is it

We 3 and outted 4 out of our first 6 drives. The defense blows but the offense is doing them no favors.

 

[mattjames2010]

ESPN gave him a 59.1 QBR lol

Seriously, the fact people use that BS to prop up Dak is hilarious.

 

[jnday]

And Romo looked like trash when the team quit on Wade.
Thats what happens.
But I can tell by your sig you will not be intellectually honest about anything related to Dak.

Somebody that keeps bringing Romo up to defend Dak doesn’t really need to talk about intellectually honesty. Romo has retired and has nothing to do with Dak’s problems.

 

[aikemirv]

The point I'm making is that there's no a QB in site who can be the next Brady or Rodgers. Both Mahomes and Lamar were accidental finds. Dak can get it done. We're scoring 25 points a game, but the opposing is scoring 30. This is the same thing we said about Romo. Romo had no defense (and of offensive line). Dallas failed Romo and will fail Dak if they don't wake up and get someone who can manage this team. This more on Jerry than anyone else. The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Any CEO would have been fired. Unfortunately Jerry is also the owner. He's done more for Dallas than any other owner, but he doesn't understand that his time is up. Pass on the proverbial torch for gods sake.

Not really - we are scoring 7 and finishing with a few points in garbage time!

 

[BoysForLife]

It depends on how you interpret the question. Candidly Dak Prescott is absolutely a franchise quarterback, if your desire is for your franchise to be mired in mediocrity

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Me thinks Lion is being a little sarcastic or are you serious?

I would like to see it happen as much as any Dak supporter on this site. That I am serious about

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Trubisky outplayed Dak , big time
Trubisky’s record as Chicago’s starter (22-16, .579) is now better than Dak’s (25-20, .556).

We said all along , Dak is average and is not a top 10 QB by any stretch... but no one wants to listen .

That’s not accurate at all get your stats right. Dak has won 13-9-10-6 how does that equal 25 wins?

 

[cowboy_ron]

He might be but until we get the cancerous head coach out of here it's hard to say.....Garrett has ruined so many careers this could be another one in the making.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Good enough to win WHAT? A playoff game? Who gives a freakin' crap? What does that give us, lower draft pick? It means absolutely nothing. You want mediocrity, and for someone who is a "pessimist", what a way to settle like that.

Again, it's just embarrassing. Push for better entertainment.

It’s hard to find a QB in this league. You want to be a ****** and keep recycling ? The coaches message is no longer being received. I wasn’t a Dak fan until last season. He has what it takes mentally. It’s going to take a change in philosophy and new staff to turn the entire team around.

 

[sean10mm]

Purge the coaching staff and let the new guy decide.

I would expect they'd give Dak a year in a modern NFL offense to decide, but regardless the new coach gets full roster control including QB.