Dak on getting the ball to Dez

[DandyDon52]

Our coaches start Williams over Butler. Our FO thinks Swaim and Wilcox are good enough to have roster spots. What makes you think if we traded Dez, we would get an actual talent to replace him with?

Just think if Butler is playing instead of williams, maybe he goes out of bounds and they win??
I would start Butler instead of williams, said that in PS.
Swaim is not ready, and just got hurt his first game.
Wilcox he did make a game saving tackle or hit, stopping the runner cold 2 yards short of the 1st down!
It was a big hit, otherwise giants run out the clock.

And they cant trade dez, no other team would want him since he is overpaid, and now not playing like he did in past.
So I dont think they could get anything for Dez, and for jerry to trade him Dez is going to have to do badly for a whole season
maybe 2 seasons, and by that point he would be totally unwanted by other teams.

So we are stuck with him, just have to hope he starts playing better , and coaches & JG someday pull their heads out of ____ and start using
him better.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Sounds like something Jason Garrett would say.

 

[zack]

I hope you are wrong here.

With Williams contract being up this year..

we really need to know what he can do going into the next draft.

We made this mistake with Joe Randle at RB and assumed he would replace Murray.

Complete failure there.

We have huge defensive draft needs next year and having to use a high pick on a WR is not going to work.

I hope I am as well, but history tells us otherwise.

 

[DFWJC]

Guy sounds like a 30-year old vet.

This. Very impressive

Dez had 8 targets. Though it could have been more, he wasn't totally neglected. They just didn't connect. 1 out of 8 is terrible.

I do think Garrett and Linehan are wrong in not moving Dez around more.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Man, Dak continues to impress me.

I respectfully disagree here.

While I've liked alot of what I've seen and heard from him so far..I don't agree with his statements here. I get trying to remain neutral, especially as a rookie qb in his situation..but there is nothing wrong with saying we need to find ways to get our biggest playmaker more involved.

They were just talking about something similar during the Thursday night game, where Fitzpatrick said to one of the booth guys like he was explaining how much there is for a qb in the NFL to take in to each game..but one if the things he tries to do each week is make sure he gets Marshall involved early.. obviously ad their biggest playmaker on the offense.

I don't see anything wrong with that at all..I think our coaches actually need to take a lesson. This is how football games are won. You don't sit back and take what the defense gives you. Thats not an NFL game plan. You scheme to get your best players the ball and let them make plays. Move them around the field, use rub plays, screens, slants, etc..it's not nearly as difficult as we are making it seem to get Dez the ball in situations where he can make some guys miss and rack up some big plays.

 

[stilltheguru88]

I respectfully disagree here.

While I've liked alot of what I've seen and heard from him so far..I don't agree with his statements here. I get trying to remain neutral, especially as a rookie qb in his situation..but there is nothing wrong with saying we need to find ways to get our biggest playmaker more involved.

They were just talking about something similar during the Thursday night game, where Fitzpatrick said to one of the booth guys like he was explaining how much there is for a qb in the NFL to take in to each game..but one if the things he tries to do each week is make sure he gets Marshall involved early.. obviously ad their biggest playmaker on the offense.

I don't see anything wrong with that at all..I think our coaches actually need to take a lesson. This is how football games are won. You don't sit back and take what the defense gives you. Thats not an NFL game plan. You scheme to get your best players the ball and let them make plays. Move them around the field, use rub plays, screens, slants, etc..it's not nearly as difficult as we are making it seem to get Dez the ball in situations where he can make some guys miss and rack up some big plays.

Just because he said it to the media doesn't mean it's what he believes. Let him cook. Week 2 will show if he's just (taking what the defense gives)

 

[ChooChoo73]

I don't believe at this point that Dez is worthy of the team prioritizing getting him the ball. That's not to imply he can't make plays but I am stating that Dez appears to be less explosive and no crisper in his routes than in recent years. I'd argue he is worse at it. By this measure I believe it takes away from the offense and rookie QB to bend the normal play calling to accomodate Dez. I'd like to see Dez kick some tail with the opportunities he is given. He has not done so. Dez needs to go out and be the beast he thinks he is and more chances will come.

 

[Sydla]

LOL.

He's your best WR and it's not even close.

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

It was one game.

One game.

Please don't add to the lunacy that's taken over around here the last few days.

There's basically a whole season of football left to be played.

You mean in 2012 when Dez had 1 catch for 15 yards against ATL it didn't stop him from having 92 for 1382 at the end of the season?

Or in 2013 his 1 catch for 44 yards game against NO didn't stop him from having 93 for 1233?

Or in 2014 his 2 catch for 15 yards game against ARI didn't stop him from having 88 for 1320 and 16 TDs?

The god king Antonio Brown, who the Steelers obviously know how to use whereas we don't know how to use Dez (/s) had back to back weeks of only 3 catches in 2015, and he only ended the season with 136 catches for 1834 yards.

By the way, I agree that our playcalling is not creative enough and needs work. I just don't like when people get utterly stupidly hyperbolic and panicky over one game.

 

[Idgit]

After my first week here in the cowboys zone forums and my first game thread I have learned this :
After a loss stay away from the board for at least 5 days

Commander game cannot come fast enough lol

It took you a week to crack the code. I wish you were wrong, but the natives are restless after last season and in no mood to be reasonable.

 

[Jinxx13x]

It took you a week to crack the code. I wish you were wrong, but the natives are restless after last season and in no mood to be reasonable.

I hear you I thought members of the DC forum were restless after a loss I used to feel for the mods and all the padlocks they used to lock threads. I wanted to buy stock in masterlock hahahaha. I still post on both sites but funny how close both forums are after a loss.

 

[Idgit]

I hear you I thought members of the DC forum were restless after a loss I used to feel for the mods and all the padlocks they used to lock threads. I wanted to buy stock in masterlock hahahaha. I still post on both sites but funny how close both forums are after a loss.

It's a lot better after we win a few games. Last year legitimately took its toll on everybody.

But, yes, I wish I could change it somehow. It makes the forums a lot less fun. It's Commanders week, and it feels like nobody really cares all that much. Week two! That's crazy.

 

[khiladi]

Why did they get Linehan:

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...callahan-shouldn-t-be-case-with-scott-linehan

Jerry made it clear that they brought Linehan, because Garrett wanted to retain the playbook. Basically, Garrett would be irrelevant..

He also said the reason they changed JG as a play caller was the following:

http://www.nbcdfw.com/blogs/blue-star/Jerry-Linehan-Will-Maximize-Dez-Bryants-Skills-248235391.html

"There is no question, he’ll take it and he’s done it,” Jones said of Linehan, per the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. “Look hard at how he maximized his skills, how he maximized Johnson’s skills. Johnson didn’t get there doing what he did against us. For whatever reason, they designed stuff to take advantage of Johnson getting there. We’re not going to give any coach credit for Johnson. Well, that’s not really the way it should be. With what he did at Minnesota, with what he’s done and where he’s been, he really does make adjustments to the personnel that are really dictated by the scheme and the philosophy.

“There’s no question that he’ll take his top players, and it can be in the running game as well, in the running game, he will utilize them in the running game. To some degree all coaches will say that, but getting them to do it or getting it done is another thing. But he’s a proven imaginative coach, relative to using his talent, their particular skills."

Blame it on Jerry... He said that's why he brought Linehan here, to get the ball to Dez..

These quotes from Dak clearly show that he's being coached in a specific way. Jerry knows what the problem is, that the coaches aren't using the players per their talent, but he's so invested in Garrett he refuses to fire him.

 

[khiladi]

What I'm being to wonder is if Dez is just limited in what he can do.

He basically runs like 3 routes depending on down and distance and position on the field.

A quick slant across mid depth

A quick fade to the back corner of the end zone

and a curl or curl and go.

That's not to hard to read the tendencies.

Does he run any other routes?

Does he play from any other position on the field?

I wonder why?

Questions regarding how Garrett was using TO were raised when he was here, that he is rarely used in motion and out of the slot, which was his bread and butter and he basically said you need to ask the coaches...

Anybody that pays attention to the Garrett playbook understands the routes Dez runs are similar to TO when he was here..

 

[khiladi]

Because like Dez and TO he disappeared too often for a bigtime WR under the same philosophies we use now.. Take what the defense gives you.

He forgets that Miles Austin took the second WR position because he broke tackles on SIDELINE routes in like a 200 plus yard game in KC that was never repeated again..

That brief moment gave Garrett another breather regarding the lack of production his offense was getting even after the Roy Williams trade..

They brought Roy Williams, because they blamed the struggling offense on a lack of a second WR. They then blamed TO locker room presence. Then Miles had that game, so they thought they could get rid of TO, because he was the scapegoat. Then they sucked with Roy and Miles and had to draft Dez. Now they have no second WR, but at this time they were blaming Dez not knowing his routes. But Romo and Dez go on a tear in November, playing basically street ball, but teams take Dez out keying in on him and they collapse again and don't make the playoffs. They then say Dez needs a second WR to take pressure off him and they get T Will.. Now they back to blaming TWill..

The story basically follows this pattern... Can't remember the full details., but within there it's also Romo audibling out of Garrett's run calls and other excuses for Garrett..

 

[Jinxx13x]

It's a lot better after we win a few games. Last year legitimately took its toll on everybody.

But, yes, I wish I could change it somehow. It makes the forums a lot less fun. It's Commanders week, and it feels like nobody really cares all that much. Week two! That's crazy.

Lol I hear ya I am really pumped for this week ! get ready for another sit on the edge of your seat nail biter late in the 4th hahahah I do appreciate the job you mods do very tough thankless job . Here's to a W this week

 

[Direwolf63]

I respectfully disagree here.

While I've liked alot of what I've seen and heard from him so far..I don't agree with his statements here. I get trying to remain neutral, especially as a rookie qb in his situation..but there is nothing wrong with saying we need to find ways to get our biggest playmaker more involved.

They were just talking about something similar during the Thursday night game, where Fitzpatrick said to one of the booth guys like he was explaining how much there is for a qb in the NFL to take in to each game..but one if the things he tries to do each week is make sure he gets Marshall involved early.. obviously ad their biggest playmaker on the offense.

I don't see anything wrong with that at all..I think our coaches actually need to take a lesson. This is how football games are won. You don't sit back and take what the defense gives you. Thats not an NFL game plan. You scheme to get your best players the ball and let them make plays. Move them around the field, use rub plays, screens, slants, etc..it's not nearly as difficult as we are making it seem to get Dez the ball in situations where he can make some guys miss and rack up some big plays.

Very good points made. Agreed.

 

[Hoofbite]

Then you don't sell the house ....... you fire the maintenance crew and get a better crew who will get the best out of the house.

The head of the HOA makes those decisions by himself.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

The head of the HOA makes those decisions by himself.

The head of the HOA needs to focus on property ownership and let someone more qualified deal with running the HOA.

 

[Idgit]

Lol I hear ya I am really pumped for this week ! get ready for another sit on the edge of your seat nail biter late in the 4th hahahah I do appreciate the job you mods do very tough thankless job . Here's to a W this week

You and me both, brother. I can live with the close games, as long as we win them.

The mod thing is actually easy, except for the 12 or so hours immediately following a big loss. You guys don't even see the stuff that gets cleaned up or removed. The crazy you get is the edited version.

But thanks for the kind words. It's appreciated.