Dak on getting the ball to Dez

[Sydla]

It was dumb when you posted it in the other thread. Still dumb here.

Trading Dez does not help our offense. Period.

Equally dumb is this notion that Dez is just one cog in the wheel and if he just happens to be one of the reads on a particular play, we'll try to get him the ball.

You are wasting his talent if all you are going to do is chuck a few jump balls a game to him.

 

[Sydla]

I love this. Dak is impressive.

Translation: "Dez, shut up and get open, and don't give me no lip or I'll bust your ***."

LOL

Except that's really not what he said at all. But you get an A for effort on that spin job.

 

[Risen Star]

Dak seems pretty cocky here. Might need a meeting with Mr. Fist.

 

[Sydla]

Absolutely. But I'm glad Dak doesn't seem to be the kind of QB that can get bullied into throwing the ball to someone. Forcing it to Dez is a bad idea.

Dallas just needs to run the ball better this week. That'll fix a lot right there for everybody.

Or the coaches could actually try to get Dez more involved in the offense with their play calling instead of on half the pass plays called, just tell Dez to run really fast in a straight line towards the other end zone.

 

[Jinxx13x]

After my first week here in the cowboys zone forums and my first game thread I have learned this :

After a loss stay away from the board for at least 5 days

Commander game cannot come fast enough lol

 

[Sydla]

Garrett is not this team's qb, hes not making the reads, and hes not telling this qb who to throw the ball to.

Criticize him in a way that makes sense. There is plenty of material.

That's not true at all. They can design plays were the initial reads are underneath stuff because they think that will be open as they use Dez and/or Williams on go routes and deeper stuff to clear out the safeties. People are acting like the first read for Prescott is always Dez and he's never open so that's why he doesn't get the ball.

 

[Sydla]

Not true. Teams often try to take the top WR of the other team out of the equation and it works often enough for teams to do it. The way to beat it is with your other WRs.

How many balls did Beckham catch? And who stepped up for the Giants?

The Giants played two deep and took Dez out. That left the middle of the field open and some of the underneath stuff particularly the drags and seams to the S and Y. They were all over the RBs and the short stuff as well as the outside.

And yet guys like Julio Jones and AJ Green catch 100 balls and double digit TDs. Fact is teams can try to scheme and take elite WRs out of the game but good coaching finds ways to get them the ball.

The Jets knew that they had to take Green out of the game on Sunday because with the #2 WR is LaFells and their next best weapon after Green is Eifert and he's hobbled with an ankle injury. So the Jets game planned to take Green out and make other guys beat them.

Green caught 12 balls for 180 yards and a TD. Because Cincy moved him around all over the place. They put him in motion. They ran specific plays to get the ball in his hands.

We don't do that stuff. We have our tree, we have our reads and if Dez happens to be one of those early reads, awesome. IMO, the reason why Bryant has had such big seasons in the past is because Romo isn't an idiot and he would make the proper play changes at the line where Bryant would be an early or only read for him.

 

[ejthedj]

What I'm being to wonder is if Dez is just limited in what he can do.

He basically runs like 3 routes depending on down and distance and position on the field.

A quick slant across mid depth

A quick fade to the back corner of the end zone

and a curl or curl and go.

That's not to hard to read the tendencies.

Does he run any other routes?

Does he play from any other position on the field?

I wonder why?

He ran 2 slants and 2 curl (or curl and gos) all game! 21 gos and a few other deep routes that were clear outs for other receivers... No screens. No drags. Few comebacks (incl back shoulder) which he should be great at. i've seen him take drags and screens to the house. This is coaching. They see the double team strategy from the other team and say, ok, Dez takes out 2 guys. That gives us an advantage. No. You know what gives us an advantage? Dez. Get him the ball. Run passing plays with him every down where he is a threat to get the ball. Double team or no.

 

[Setackin]

When this team gets rolling you are not welcome on my bandwagon.

I have a reserved seat.

 

[jday]

I have a reserved seat.

Stupid reserved seats (muttering under breath)

 

[Gameover]

Dak Prescott: "We'll get him the ball as it comes up in our offense. We're not gonna single out & say Dez has to get the ball on this play."

WHY NOT!? That's like saying "YEAH We ARN'T GONNA GIVE LEBRON JAMES THE BALL BECAUSE MATTHEW DELLAVEDOVA IS WIDE OPEN" like just stop please

Dez ain't Lebron

 

[jday]

Dez ain't Lebron

Much to Dez's chagrine evertime he wakes up and looks in the mirror. Dez is like, "Not today, but one day...one day!" With subdued determination...

 

[DTown214]

This isn't basketball and it doesn't work that way. You don't understand football.

And the fact that you would even think to compare Dez (quite average player who isn't fast, can't get open) to Lebron (best ever, maybe) tells us all that you don't understand football.

Dez is average? I was half joking/exaggerating but that's ridiculous my man.

And yeah, it's obviously not as simple as basketball when it comes to getting your best player the ball. But the Cowboys make no effort to try to get him involved as much as possible. The coaching staff is perfectly content with using him as a decoy and taking a couple shots downfield whenever the few times he has single coverage on him.

But I guess since you think Dez is average than this argument is pointless because in your mind we probably shouldn't try to get such an average player more touches.

 

[Redball Express]

Younger guys don't get their chance unless there is an injury to the starter. So if you want Butler to start, you need Williams to get hurt. Simple. He ain't starting unless Williams is injured.

I hope you are wrong here.

With Williams contract being up this year..

we really need to know what he can do going into the next draft.

We made this mistake with Joe Randle at RB and assumed he would replace Murray.

Complete failure there.

We have huge defensive draft needs next year and having to use a high pick on a WR is not going to work.

 

[thisiscowboyscountry]

Dez is in for a long, unproductive year.

Defenses will make a point of taking him out by moving a safety over the top, resulting in Dak looking elsewhere. They will be fine with Witten and Beasley getting 8 yards a catch because it's tough to score on 12-15 play drives consistently in this league.

There is no mention of getting Dez free schemewise. Maybe they will move him around and not telling the media, which is fine.

Pittsburgh and Cincinnati figure out ways of getting their star WR's the ball, despite all the attantion they get. Larry Fitzgerald is moved all over the field. Yet Dez is told to line up, and when the read is to him, they will throw the ball to him.

Doesn't seem like a good use of a $14M a year receiver to me.

And in week 2 Dez goes for 120 yards and 2 tds.... Weve seem him go through games with little involvment and then goes wild. No reason to panick after 1 game... If were 8 games in and he has caught 16 balls then yeah I may say its a waste...

 

[T-RO]

Dez is average? I was half joking/exaggerating but that's ridiculous my man.

And yeah, it's obviously not as simple as basketball when it comes to getting your best player the ball. But the Cowboys make no effort to try to get him involved as much as possible. The coaching staff is perfectly content with using him as a decoy and taking a couple shots downfield whenever the few times he has single coverage on him.

But I guess since you think Dez is average than this argument is pointless because in your mind we probably shouldn't try to get such an average player more touches.

Dez is above average in some ways...he's a great leaper...superior physical force at collecting the ball. Crazy strong for a receiver. Good size. He can be tough to quickly tackle after the catch.

But he's quite average in straight-line speed. He's not going to lose many cornerbacks coming out of his cuts. He's way below average in running consistent, precise routes. He's below average in terms of keeping himself in the game (including recurring hydration problems) and keeping his head in the game. He's below average off the field.

Dez had a few truly great years with Romo when Romo could precisely put the ball where Dez's strengths were optimized.

In his last 10 games he's caught 32 balls for 409 yards. He's been targeted 77 times in that span. Of course as we know, Romo was missing for much of these 10 games and we've had some mediocre guys...or new guys...playing quarterback.

But that's 5.3 yards per attempt...with only a 41% completion rate. Both of these constitute the worst numbers of any Cowboy receiver over that span of time.

An elite receiver can help raise the game of a weak or new quarterback. Has Dez done that?

 

[SportsGuru80]

This offense does a piss poor job of finding ways to get Dez the ball. His run after the catch is what makes him special, no quick slants or quick screens

 

[DTown214]

Dez is above average in some ways...he's a great leaper...superior physical force at collecting the ball. Crazy strong for a receiver. Good size. He can be tough to quickly tackle after the catch.

But he's quite average in straight-line speed. He's not going to lose many cornerbacks coming out of his cuts. He's way below average in running consistent, precise routes. He's below average in terms of keeping himself in the game (including recurring hydration problems) and keeping his head in the game. He's below average off the field.

Dez had a few truly great years with Romo when Romo could precisely put the ball where Dez's strengths were optimized.

In his last 10 games he's caught 32 balls for 409 yards. He's been targeted 77 times in that span. Of course as we know, Romo was missing for much of these 10 games and we've had some mediocre guys...or new guys...playing quarterback.

But that's 5.3 yards per attempt...with only a 41% completion rate. Both of these constitute the worst numbers of any Cowboy receiver over that span of time.

An elite receiver can help raise the game of a weak or new quarterback. Has Dez done that?

I think what you're forgetting to acknowledge is the fact that the way the Cowboys choose to use Dez is what hurts his production the most. I've said this in many other threads but they've gotta get more creative with him. Have him line up in the slot, go in motion, run different routes. When Dez is assigned to just lineup in the same spot, run the same 3 or 4 routes, the opponent is simply going to double team him and completely take him out of the game. Nothing he can do. Nobody would get open under those circumstances unless they have 4.2 speed or something. The fact that Dez has put up incredible numbers in the past despite the incompetent play calling/coaching proves how great he is.

He's a physical freak. He may not be the fastest guy in the league but he's fast enough to create the space he needs to be able to snag the ball away from the defender. Which is something he's great at... positioning himself to where only he can get the ball (as long as he has a QB that knows what he's doing). He's amazing after the catch getting extra yards after contact. He's incredibly strong, physical, and has a crazy vertical leap. Oh yeah, and he has the most heart and guts out of anyone currently on our team besides maybe Jason Witten. Dez's ability is unquestionable. The Cowboys just need to do a better job at maximizing his talents.

 

[theebs]

I love this. Dak is impressive.

Translation: "Dez, shut up and get open, and don't give me no lip or I'll bust your ***."

LOL

but dez was open a number of times, twice for touchdowns and he didn't see it fast enough and threw the ball late both times. one should have been picked and the other put dez in a difficult spot though he should have caught it.

this is what every game with dak will be this year. its normal for a rookie. If dak is playing we are not going to win but each week he will learn something new while the team goes nowhere.

comical to see people flushing dez this week though, two weeks ago it was romo.

 

[DandyDon52]

We talk about the same thing every year. Dez doesn't get used right and we have no defense. Every year it's the same damn thing.

Dez never goes in motion, Dez is never in the slot, Dez never runs a crossing route, Dez never runs slants. Nothing will change....

Those things are not in Dez's contract, he wanted 10 mil for each of them, and jerry said no we will just take plain vanilla Dez for 70 mil !