Dak Pocket problems

[Redball Express]

I sometimes get the impression that he is to tentative to fit the ball into tight windows. Granted I haven't seen the all 22 view, but it does appear that he is too worried about getting picked instead of firing the ball in there. NFL open is different that College open. Does anybody else think that he might be too conservation? As weird as that sounds, you don't want your QB to throw picks but you got to be willing to make some close throws.

DAK is doing what the coaches want him to do.

This is nothing new for a Garrett offense.

When the going gets tough..

we either throw too much or stop running the ball.

Dunbar is a sign that we are not thinking it thru.

He has no business playing in crucial situations.

He only has straight line speed and he tips off the play.

 

[BoysfanfromCanada]

I sometimes get the impression that he is to tentative to fit the ball into tight windows. Granted I haven't seen the all 22 view, but it does appear that he is too worried about getting picked instead of firing the ball in there. NFL open is different that College open. Does anybody else think that he might be too conservation? As weird as that sounds, you don't want your QB to throw picks but you got to be willing to make some close throws.

Having Dez slip and on another play lose track of the ball leading to picks probably didn't help his confidence.

 

[iceberg]

He wasn't too worried about throwing deep into double coverage where Dez literally had zero chance of making the catch Gosh, that was such a terrible decision.

Oh, and the one where Dez had a clear step on the CB, but Dak ended up hitting the CB in the back with the ball. Disgusting

well thank god romo never did that.

 

[Clove]

Derek Carr ---------- 17/41 ----- 117 ------49.1 0TD 0INT
Ben Roethlisberger 17/31 -----220------ 18.0 ---3INT
Marcus Mariota------ 6/20 ------88 -------- 28.4 0td 0int
Carson Palmer ------18/33 ----145 --------21.7 2td 2int
Cam Newton --------10/27--- 160 --------27.7- 1td 1int
Drew Brees ----------25/41 ----257 --------28.7 3int
Dak Prescott ---------17/37---- 165---------14.8 1td 2int
Eli Manning----------- 17/28---- 193---------14.2 1td 1int


Romo vs New Orleans 2013-
Tony Romo ----------10/24 -----128 ---------9.7 0td 0int
Romo vs Philadelphia 2011 - boys 7 philly 34
Tony Romo -----------18/35------ 203 --------16.0 1td 1int
Romo vs NY Giants 2009
Tony Romo -----------13/29 ------127 ---------21.6 1td 3int



Other Veteran QBs had bad games yesterday including 2-time Super Bowl champ Eli Manning, even Romo's had stinkers through out his career. All QBs go through it.

 

[Blake]

Derek Carr ---------- 17/41 ----- 117 ------49.1 0TD 0INT
Ben Roethlisberger 17/31 -----220------ 18.0 ---3INT
Marcus Mariota------ 6/20 ------88 -------- 28.4 0td 0int
Carson Palmer ------18/33 ----145 --------21.7 2td 2int
Cam Newton --------10/27--- 160 --------27.7- 1td 1int
Drew Brees ----------25/41 ----257 --------28.7 3int
Dak Prescott ---------17/37---- 165---------14.8 1td 2int
Eli Manning----------- 17/28---- 193---------14.2 1td 1int


Romo vs New Orleans 2013-
Tony Romo ----------10/24 -----128 ---------9.7 0td 0int
Romo vs Philadelphia 2011 - boys 7 philly 34
Tony Romo -----------18/35------ 203 --------16.0 1td 1int
Romo vs NY Giants 2009
Tony Romo -----------13/29 ------127 ---------21.6 1td 3int



Other Veteran QBs had bad games yesterday including 2-time Super Bowl champ Eli Manning, even Romo's had stinkers through out his career. All QBs go through it.

Bad games are fine, but a stretch of them would be concerning. Dak needs to step it up against TB. I hope he has a chip on his shoulder now.

 

[Clove]

Bad games are fine, but a stretch of them would be concerning. Dak needs to step it up against TB. I hope he has a chip on his shoulder now.

People act like Dak is the only QB in history who's had a bad game. Those other two, he put up great stats except yardage. He had great games until now.

 

[jwooten15]

well thank god romo never did that.

Agreed! Romo is incapable of making bad decisions

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

DAK is doing what the coaches want him to do.

This is nothing new for a Garrett offense.

When the going gets tough..

we either throw too much or stop running the ball.

Dunbar is a sign that we are not thinking it thru.

He has no business playing in crucial situations.

He only has straight line speed and he tips off the play.

I don't understand why we abandoned the running game. That's been our bread and butter this year.

 

[Blackspider214]

The play I scratched my head the most was when he ran backwards into where the pocket was collapsing. And got sacked. He did not seem comfortable at all last night or the Vikings game.

 

[Blackspider214]

He holds the ball because we don't have any quick developing routes

I've been saying this for years. We rely on long developing routes. 3rd and 3? Let's wait for a 15 yard in for Dez to develop. It's maddening.

 

[NeonNinja]

It is also on Linehan for not making any adjustments. All night he kept calling long developing routes. Dak was really bad but Linehan assisted in that too. Offense needs to make adjustment this week and use a variety of routes and implement blitz beaters.

 

[Cowboysfan917]

It really concerns me that he seems to be oblivious to pressure when guys are around him.

I think we all god spoiled by Tony having that sixth sense about him, with being able to sense pressure and avoid it perfectly.

But Dak isn't confidently reading the defense anymore, and even if he sees a passing lane, he won't let it rip. How many balls did we see that bounced at a receiver's feel last night? It is typical rookie struggles, but do we really want to risk losing out on this amazing season and just hope that he can learn on the fly, in his first season? I sure don't.

My dad and I had this conversation yesterday before the game talking about what we thought made QB's really great and while they all get blindsided sometimes, that pocket awareness was a trait we decided on being vital and the greats always seem to have. Then we watched Dak struggle with it during the game.

 

[T-RO]

biggest issue I saw with Dak was that he constantly drifted sideways in the pocket instead of either 1. Letting the ball go quickly 2. Stepping up forward to buy more time. Or just bailing out and taking off running faster.

Drifting is a college QB thing - it doesn't work in the NFL as the Lineman are too fast, it sets QBs up to throw off their back foot, and it cuts off 2/3 of the field.

Was it blocking, Dak confused/indecisive?

You beat me to it.

I was going to post this exact same observation. Dak had open room on a number of occasions had he only stepped up in the pocket, as guys are taught to do.

Credit the Giants for being aggressive and bringing extra defenders. Quarterbacks old and young often fail to properly respond.

 

[slick325]

This has been a problem before but we won so it was ignored

I've been saying for weeks that Dak is a rookie, teams will study his weaknesses and react. How he responds to those will determine how well he does long term

He does hold the ball too long, he had happy feet and is not very accurate downfield

That is not hating on Dak
That is just honest evaluation

This is exactly why there is s Sophmore slump

This is also why I've been against this whole "trade Romo" stuff. We have no idea right now how good or bad Dak will be. It is too early to say he is the next franchise QB

This is a good post that will largely be ignored. I have seen other fan bases anoint a QB without seeing him do it for an extended period of time. I just never recall this fan base doing it so quickly. BUT...I get it. After the QB's they trotted out last season and the amount of losses we all endured, the fan base would have been happy if Fred Beard won games at QB and looked solid doing it.

That position is the hardest to master in all of sports IMHO. That's why I want to see Prescott do it consistently. I want him to keep growing and developing and like things that I have seen. I just have no clue whether he is RGIII, Kaepernick, Josh Freeman, Nick Foles, Mark Sanchez, etc. or if he is Big Ben, Russell Wilson, etc. Imagine what this board would have been saying about Aikman after 11 games in the League. It is laughable that someone can discern who Prescott is already. I HOPE he is what he has shown and not a flash in the pan. But I have no clue. Need to see much more of a sample size from him.

 

[jwooten15]

My dad and I had this conversation yesterday before the game talking about what we thought made QB's really great and while they all get blindsided sometimes, that pocket awareness was a trait we decided on being vital and the greats always seem to have. Then we watched Dak struggle with it during the game.

How ironic! haha. He's young, so maybe he can get it corrected. But I think a lot of that is natural instinct.

 

[punchnjudy]

This has been a problem before but we won so it was ignored

I've been saying for weeks that Dak is a rookie, teams will study his weaknesses and react. How he responds to those will determine how well he does long term

He does hold the ball too long, he had happy feet and is not very accurate downfield

That is not hating on Dak
That is just honest evaluation

This is exactly why there is s Sophmore slump

This is also why I've been against this whole "trade Romo" stuff. We have no idea right now how good or bad Dak will be. It is too early to say he is the next franchise QB

The upside to sticking with him (if that's what they do) will be seeing how he rebounds and letting that direct their focus in April. If he doesn't rebound from his recent struggles, then he may not be the guy. No one's going to cut him or perma bench him, but it's too early to rule out bringing in competition should the opportunity present itself.

 

[Seven]

It really concerns me that he seems to be oblivious to pressure when guys are around him.

I think we all god spoiled by Tony having that sixth sense about him, with being able to sense pressure and avoid it perfectly.

But Dak isn't confidently reading the defense anymore, and even if he sees a passing lane, he won't let it rip. How many balls did we see that bounced at a receiver's feel last night? It is typical rookie struggles, but do we really want to risk losing out on this amazing season and just hope that he can learn on the fly, in his first season? I sure don't.

Spatial Awareness................

 

[Nightman]

Derek Carr ---------- 17/41 ----- 117 ------49.1 0TD 0INT
Ben Roethlisberger 17/31 -----220------ 18.0 ---3INT
Marcus Mariota------ 6/20 ------88 -------- 28.4 0td 0int
Carson Palmer ------18/33 ----145 --------21.7 2td 2int
Cam Newton --------10/27--- 160 --------27.7- 1td 1int
Drew Brees ----------25/41 ----257 --------28.7 3int
Dak Prescott ---------17/37---- 165---------14.8 1td 2int
Eli Manning----------- 17/28---- 193---------14.2 1td 1int


Romo vs New Orleans 2013-
Tony Romo ----------10/24 -----128 ---------9.7 0td 0int
Romo vs Philadelphia 2011 - boys 7 philly 34
Tony Romo -----------18/35------ 203 --------16.0 1td 1int
Romo vs NY Giants 2009
Tony Romo -----------13/29 ------127 ---------21.6 1td 3int



Other Veteran QBs had bad games yesterday including 2-time Super Bowl champ Eli Manning, even Romo's had stinkers through out his career. All QBs go through it.

The weather turns and teams hit the WALL......NFL seasons are brutally long

 

[conner01]

This loss does not fall squarely on Dak. That's my honest assessment.

No loss falls on one guy but Dak either didn't have guys open, didn't see the open guys or missed with his pass to the open guys
You can't always tell on tv which it is, many times the open guy isn't in the shot but what ever the reason we have to convert on 3rd downs. To me that's the biggest factor for a qb. If you can't convert on 3rd down the run game is not as effective and you can't sustain drives

 

[Fletch]

No loss falls on one guy but Dak either didn't have guys open, didn't see the open guys or missed with his pass to the open guys
You can't always tell on tv which it is, many times the open guy isn't in the shot but what ever the reason we have to convert on 3rd downs. To me that's the biggest factor for a qb. If you can't convert on 3rd down the run game is not as effective and you can't sustain drives

O-line was porous in pass protection. Balls dropped (Butler for a would be TD). Dez on second to last drive with a fumble. Dropsies by Church and Durant.

3rd down conversions need some sort of blocking and WRs getting open. Oh, and why is Zeke out on 3rd downs? Dak wasn't great, but it takes a team.