Dak Prescott is better than Derek Carr and it’s not even close

[Idgit]

Brady is a statue in the pocket. So was Peyton, Aikman, and virtually every QB who ever won championships. Mobility is so overrated. Pocket presence is vastly more important.

Make no mistake, the Cowboys would run through a gauntlet of fire and grenades to make that deal.

I bet they wouldn't. I bet they believe Dak's level of play plus his upside make him the most valuable long-term QB asset in the league right now.

 

[jday]

I would bet everything I own on it.

Derek Carr is the next great NFL quarterback. It's up to the Raiders to not screw it up, which is difficult for that knucklehead franchise.

I've seen a ton of Dak Prescotts have promising rookie years. He's still potential. Carr is far more polished at this point. He makes far more difficult throws on a regular basis.

Certainty doesn't mean you can't win with Dak, but not without being a run-first offense at this point.

We'll know what Dak is by 2020.

Then we will agree to disagree. To be clear, though, I'm not saying one way or another who is better. To be honest, that is immaterial to the conversation. For me, what makes Dak special goes beyond his physical ability. What is happening between Dak's ears is what separates him from just about every player in the league for me. He gets it. Not to say he is the only one that gets it...but he is one of the few. Hell, Derek might get it too...but I wouldn't risk trading away a guy I know gets it for a guy whom I hope gets it. Get it?

 

[windjc]

Statistically that article proved its point. The Carr un-highlight reel was a bit heavy handed, but the "watch the games" crowd dont have an argument. Prescott is the better prospect and also had the better season last year.

 

[erod]

I bet they wouldn't. I bet they believe Dak's level of play plus his upside make him the most valuable long-term QB asset in the league right now.

Derek Carr.

Of course, they love Dak, but this is Derek Carr. He's the golden child of the young NFL quarterbacks. They'd do it in a nanosecond.

 

[jday]

I bet they wouldn't. I bet they believe Dak's level of play plus his upside make him the most valuable long-term QB asset in the league right now.

Agreed. What that trade idea is missing is projection. Dak might not have done enough in his first year to prove his value over Derek, but all he is missing is time of service. Let's circle back to this question after Dak's third year, and see if anyone still wants to trade him for Derek. I suspect by that point this question will look ridiculous.

 

[Idgit]

Derek Carr.

Of course, they love Dak, but this is Derek Carr. He's the golden child of the young NFL quarterbacks. They'd do it in a nanosecond.

We'll never know, so I guess there's little point arguing about it. I love Carr, too, for the record. I just think Jerry's a wildcatter at heart and he's not going to walk away from what he thinks might be one of the biggest gushers ever very easily. And from Dak's rookie season, and with his demeanor, they have every reason to expect he could be an all-time great QB before it's all said and done.

 

[erod]

Then we will agree to disagree. To be clear, though, I'm not saying one way or another who is better. To be honest, that is immaterial to the conversation. For me, what makes Dak special goes beyond his physical ability. What is happening between Dak's ears is what separates him from just about every player in the league for me. He gets it. Not to say he is the only one that gets it...but he is one of the few. Hell, Derek might get it too...but I wouldn't risk trading away a guy I know gets it for a guy whom I hope gets it. Get it?

Dak inherited the greatest offensive talent a rookie has ever played with in the history of the National Football League.

The best offensive line in the league, the best running back, a Hall of Fame tight end, plus Dez Bryant and Cole Beasley.

That's like hitting the Powerball for a rookie QB. Yes, he did a really fine job playing poised, sound football, but much of last year, he was just driving that bus.

This year, he'll have to do more, and there will be growing pains. But that's fine. He'll be fine.

But Derek Carr is the real deal, and that team is getting better and better if they don't screw it up.

 

[Idgit]

Agreed. What that trade idea is missing is projection. Dak might not have done enough in his first year to prove his value over Derek, but all he is missing is time of service. Let's circle back to this question after Dak's third year, and see if anyone still wants to trade him for Derek. I suspect by that point this question will look ridiculous.

Yep. To be clear, he definitely didn't do enough in just one season, because Carr's a very very good young QB in his own right. But what he did accomplish, he did at a faster rate than Carr did. And I can't see Jerry walking away from that upside. Especially not Jerry.

 

[Nav22]

Brady is a statue in the pocket. So was Peyton, Aikman, and virtually every QB who ever won championships. Mobility is so overrated. Pocket presence is vastly more important.

Make no mistake, the Cowboys would run through a gauntlet of fire and grenades to make that deal.

Dak played smart football with terrific poise. He did not make the kind of throws on a regular basis that Carr does. Maybe he will, but he's got eons to go.

Steve Young, Brett Favre, John Elway and Russell Wilson say "hello" on the mobility front. All are champions.

Dak's pocket presence is also TREMENDOUS, by the way. Went through progressions like a 10-year vet, as a rookie.

 

[jday]

We'll never know, so I guess there's little point arguing about it. I love Carr, too, for the record. I just think Jerry's a wildcatter at heart and he's not going to walk away from what he thinks might be one of the biggest gushers ever very easily. And from Dak's rookie season, and with his demeanor, they have every reason to expect he could be an all-time great QB before it's all said and done.

I think you may have done a better job of explaining what I was attempting to explain. At that point, when the front office is considering that trade offer, the conversation in all probability has very little to do with what they think both QB's are capable of now. Your oil reference was perfect, because therein is the specific rub I was referring to. The fact that the Jones' did not interfere and insist that Romo be given his starting job back last year tells you everything you need to know about how they feel about Dak. He's there guy and you would have to probably get them to throw in Kalil Mack w/Carr just to get them to stop laughing.

 

[erod]

We'll never know, so I guess there's little point arguing about it. I love Carr, too, for the record. I just think Jerry's a wildcatter at heart and he's not going to walk away from what he thinks might be one of the biggest gushers ever very easily. And from Dak's rookie season, and with his demeanor, they have every reason to expect he could be an all-time great QB before it's all said and done.

He could. I can't wait to see. But he's got to get the ball down the field more like Carr, and he's got to get the ball down the sidelines.

He doesn't like the back-shoulder throws or the out routes. He likes everything in front of him between the field numbers. He doesn't see the deep over the middle well yet, and he doesn't like to sit in the pocket and survey. The Giants and Vikings forced him to sit in there, and he wasn't good.

It's a learning process. We'll get to watch this over the next 2-3 years.

 

[windjc]

Yep. To be clear, he definitely didn't do enough in just one season, because Carr's a very very good young QB in his own right. But what he did accomplish, he did at a faster rate than Carr did. And I can't see Jerry walking away from that upside. Especially not Jerry.

But Prescott did have the more impressive season statistically. I am not sure why he needs to "prove" himself. Carr wasn't very good right away at all.

 

[erod]

Steve Young, Brett Favre, John Elway and Russell Wilson say "hello" on the mobility front. All are champions.

Dak's pocket presence is also TREMENDOUS, by the way. Went through progressions like a 10-year vet, as a rookie.

Each woefully underachieved on the championship front despite having amazing teams. There's a mini-mutiny against Wilson right now in Seattle. Aikman beat Young like a rented mule. Farve scrambled himself out of numerous championships with unsound play.

And no, Dak's pocket presence is not close to tremendous. The Giants, Eagles, and Vikings showed you that.

 

[erod]

But Prescott did have the more impressive season statistically. I am not sure why he needs to "prove" himself. Carr wasn't very good right away at all.

Stats mean almost nothing whatsoever.

 

[erod]

I think you may have done a better job of explaining what I was attempting to explain. At that point, when the front office is considering that trade offer, the conversation in all probability has very little to do with what they think both QB's are capable of now. Your oil reference was perfect, because therein is the specific rub I was referring to. The fact that the Jones' did not interfere and insist that Romo be given his starting job back last year tells you everything you need to know about how they feel about Dak. He's there guy and you would have to probably get them to throw in Kalil Mack w/Carr just to get them to stop laughing.

Believe what you want, and I get the "Cowboys" love you have for Dak, but I would bet it all that exactly 32 general managers would trade Dak for Carr.

 

[Nav22]

Each woefully underachieved on the championship front despite having amazing teams. There's a mini-mutiny against Wilson right now in Seattle. Aikman beat Young like a rented mule. Farve scrambled himself out of numerous championships with unsound play.

And no, Dak's pocket presence is not close to tremendous. The Giants, Eagles, and Vikings showed you that.

LOL c'mon dude. Now you're just reaching. Those QBs I mentioned are monsters, and they're all champions despite what you said about mobile QBs not winning anything.

Dak's pocket presence is every bit as good as Carr's, if not better. I'm from the Bay Area and catch more Raiders games than I care to. Cherry-picking Dak's few bad games because it fits your narrative makes no sense, I could point out Carr's rough outings just as easily.

 

[Idgit]

But Prescott did have the more impressive season statistically. I am not sure why he needs to "prove" himself. Carr wasn't very good right away at all.

I'm just saying we have evidence of a trend with Carr, and we don't with Dak yet. That's not Dak's fault, since he's only logged one season. If he starts an upward trend, look out.

 

[Nav22]

Stats mean almost nothing whatsoever.

Check, please!!!

 

[Idgit]

Steve Young, Brett Favre, John Elway and Russell Wilson say "hello" on the mobility front. All are champions.

Dak's pocket presence is also TREMENDOUS, by the way. Went through progressions like a 10-year vet, as a rookie.

LOL c'mon dude. Now you're just reaching. Those QBs I mentioned are monsters, and they're all champions despite what you said about mobile QBs not winning anything.

Dak's pocket presence is every bit as good as Carr's, if not better. I'm from the Bay Area and catch more Raiders games than I care to. Cherry-picking Dak's few bad games because it fits your narrative makes no sense, I could point out Carr's rough outings just as easily.

Are you arguing with yourself, brother? I've seen guys quote themselves, but only when they're agreeing with what they said before. I think this is a first for me.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

I would bet everything I own on it.

Derek Carr is the next great NFL quarterback. It's up to the Raiders to not screw it up, which is difficult for that knucklehead franchise.

I've seen a ton of Dak Prescotts have promising rookie years. He's still potential. Carr is far more polished at this point. He makes far more difficult throws on a regular basis.

Certainty doesn't mean you can't win with Dak, but not without being a run-first offense at this point.

We'll know what Dak is by 2020.

He had a better season as a rookie than Carr has ever had. Supporting cast is moot between the two. Unlike Jday I have no respect for you since you've turned heel while maintaining the same nonsensical stream of gibberish style from your previous iteration, but have leavened it with a good deal of trolling.