Dak Prescott- Kirk Cousins

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They’re interchangeable at this point, imo. They’ve both shown enough to say “hey we can win with this guy” but then lead their teams to early playoff exits. What-If QBs like this will always command a high salary and be in high demand. The next team will always think “what if we did this to help him?” And hope they did enough to get over the hump.
 

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how was defense was far better off with Rush.....how does the 29th rank offense, 27th scoring, and 28th in TOP help the defense?

I swear people will pull anything out of their rear end
So wait...you think the defense played better post Rush than with Rush? You don't think losing Anthony Brown and Jourdan Lewis hurt the defense?
 
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So wait...you think the defense played better post Rush than with Rush? You don't think losing Anthony Brown and Jourdan Lewis hurt the defense?
What!!??? that's not what I said. you are the one who said the defense was better off with Rush!!!! with a worse offense the defense was better off!!!
the defense lost players and got worse. obviously. during the early part of the season they were healthy and producing. he got lucky against the rams with defense scoring for him to save his arse and fell apart in philly game. and subsequently if Rush continued to play, the team wouldn't have a chance of snow flake in hel! to get to playoffs. specially the way the defense played.
 

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how was defense was far better off with Rush.....how does the 29th rank offense, 27th scoring, and 28th in TOP help the defense?

I swear people will pull anything out of their rear end
He didn't say better off.. He said better.. Which they absolutely were. I think we can all agree the defense played 100 times better early in the season than late. Though to their credit I think they started to get their mojo back a little late in the season. And frankly I thought they were pretty good in the playoff games. All that said I don't think enough is made of the psychological impact of the team losing QB1 and knowing that they had to play out of their minds just to have a chance and then exhaling a bit when QB1 returned. It's only natural. The injuries just added to it but I think there was going to be a dropoff defensively when Dak came back regardless. Pros or not.. guys are human.
 

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What!!??? that's not what I said. you are the one who said the defense was better off with Rush!!!! with a worse offense the defense was better off!!!
the defense lost players and got worse. obviously. during the early part of the season they were healthy and producing. he got lucky against the rams with defense scoring for him to save his arse and fell apart in philly game. and subsequently if Rush continued to play, the team wouldn't have a chance of snow flake in hel! to get to playoffs. specially the way the defense played.
What are you even talking about? Where the hell did I say the defense was better off with Rush? You're a little spicy right now and I think its causing you to get confused between posts.



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Also how much of the offense being where it was ranked have to do with the defense being top 5 in take aways?


He's claiming the offense was ranked high because the defense was top 5 in takeaways.

I bring up that Rush had a top 5 defense and it didn't help the offense. The defense was playing better when Rush was QB as opposed to when Dak was at QB.....

Then you replied with whatever the hell you did lol.
 

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What!!??? that's not what I said. you are the one who said the defense was better off with Rush!!!! with a worse offense the defense was better off!!!
the defense lost players and got worse. obviously. during the early part of the season they were healthy and producing. he got lucky against the rams with defense scoring for him to save his arse and fell apart in philly game. and subsequently if Rush continued to play, the team wouldn't have a chance of snow flake in hel! to get to playoffs. specially the way the defense played.


Yeah every game he played added another page to the book on Rush. Had he continued to be the starter eventually teams would have figured out how to take away the 3 or 4 things he did well. Dak obviously does more things well and at a higher level.. Maybe not as many or as great as say Mahomes or whoever.. but way better than Rush. Here's a funny thought.. If Dak starts those 5 games do the Cowboys lose any of them? Or do they sweep the Eagles and win the division and HFA and only be one win away from the championship game?
 

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Kirk Cousins is way more fluid at QB position that Dak ever was. His release is quicker, throwing motion better, way more consistent. If Kirk Cousins had this defense, we’d beat SF. The Vikings defense was trash.
This is a joke. Cousins has had a few top 10 defenses with Zimmer. Even a top 3....my how ya'll forget lol.
 

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He didn't say better off.. He said better.. Which they absolutely were. I think we can all agree the defense played 100 times better early in the season than late. Though to their credit I think they started to get their mojo back a little late in the season. And frankly I thought they were pretty good in the playoff games. All that said I don't think enough is made of the psychological impact of the team losing QB1 and knowing that they had to play out of their minds just to have a chance and then exhaling a bit when QB1 returned. It's only natural. The injuries just added to it but I think there was going to be a dropoff defensively when Dak came back regardless. Pros or not.. guys are human.
Exactly....never said we were better off I was saying the complete opposite. Defense just was better. Not sure if it was injuries or what but they played better.

And I do agree. I think a big part was the defense knew they had to play above their heads to keep things afloat. Its natural to dial it back some especially if you aren't in a contract year.
 

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This is a joke. Cousins has had a few top 10 defenses with Zimmer. Even a top 3....my how ya'll forget lol.
Anything that dude says about Dak is a joke. Here's the thing with these Dak haters that needs to be illuminated again. He has already far exceeded what their predictions were for him when he came to the Cowboys. He keeps making them look bad and they cannot forgive him for that. First he could pass for 300 yards.. Then he couldn't win a playoff game.. then he couldn't win without a dominant running game then he couldn't win without a top 5 receiving group.. then he couldn't win without a top 5 offensive line. When the Cowboys franchised him that was a signal that "The Cowboys were going to get rid of him and he'd be out of the league in two years. " They just can't stop themselves from predicting failure for this guy. The simple truth is that he has already succeeded far beyond their predictions and they just have to wear that egg on their faces .. They'll live..
 

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This is a joke. Cousins has had a few top 10 defenses with Zimmer. Even a top 3....my how ya'll forget lol.
They both need a lot of help on both sides. Dak had a top defense this season and last season, they also led the league in turnovers twice. It's obvious that's still not enough for either qb
 

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Anything that dude says about Dak is a joke. Here's the thing with these Dak haters that needs to be illuminated again. He has already far exceeded what their predictions were for him when he came to the Cowboys. He keeps making them look bad and they cannot forgive him for that. First he could pass for 300 yards.. Then he couldn't win a playoff game.. then he couldn't win without a dominant running game then he couldn't win without a top 5 receiving group.. then he couldn't win without a top 5 offensive line. When the Cowboys franchised him that was a signal that "The Cowboys were going to get rid of him and he'd be out of the league in two years. " They just can't stop themselves from predicting failure for this guy. The simple truth is that he has already succeeded far beyond their predictions and they just have to wear that egg on their faces .. They'll live..
Ya'll called me a "Dak hater" and "Eagles fan" for saying this last May:

I agree. If all things are equal then Dak is clearly better.

But, all things are not equal. The Eagles might have the best WR unit in the NFL now while the Cowboys got much worse.

The players around you matter a lot for some guys. As a Cowboys fan that's watched Dak for the past 6 years you should know this.

The gap between Dak and Hurts is getting more blurry by every good move the Eagles make and every bad move the Cowboys make.

Also, 2021 Dak was better than 2021 Hurts. That doesn't mean at all that 2022 Dak is better than 2022 Hurts. Who's to say Hurts doesn't make a big leap while Dak regresses?
It's not hating if you see things for what they are.
 

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They both need a lot of help on both sides. Dak had a top defense this season and last season, they also led the league in turnovers twice. It's obvious that's still not enough for either qb
Dak clearly took a step back this year.. I don't know if it was his newfound aggressiveness or just the receiving group not being as good. Probably a combination of both. I always come back to the Cowboys (Kellen Moore) not tailoring the offense to Dak's strengths. Which baffles me because he had no trouble adapting his play sheet to account for Rush's weaknesses.. All he really needed to do was tweak that game plan a little and sprinkle in some Dak magic and this team might still be playing. That to me is the biggest reason why he needed to go.. Like so many of the talking heads have stated.. Moore has a bunch of plays.. but he doesn't have a scheme.. His play calling is too often a mish-mash of ideas rather than a concerted attack on a defense's weakness or a matchup that favors the Cowboys. I mean how many times did we see a defender giving our receiver a 10 yard cushion and instead of calling a quick pass and let the receiver work we ran a 10 yard route that ended up right next to where the DB was standing at the snap? That's where Dak has to take his game to the next level. HE has to see that and automatic to it rather than going ahead with the stupid 5 step drop and pass to where the DB is standing. HOPING the receiver fights through to the spot where he threw the ball.

The question for next season is can Dak get back to NOT turning the ball over but still leading an explosive offense? I think he can.. If he can't then we're all screwed. Make no mistake about it.. Dak has a lot of work to do this offseason. He's never been bitten by the INT bug before so this will be new for him. But I believe a guy like him won't rest until he figures it out. I posted very early on that I didn't think he could work out of that rut THIS season. There simply aren't enough games for a guy to work his way out of something like that. This aint baseball or basketball. Frankly I think McCarthy being in charge of the offense will help .. a lot.. Whether one believes McCarthy is smarter than Kellen Moore or not, I don't know how anyone can question that he has a better feel for game day play calling. But time will tell won't it.
 

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He didn't say better off.. He said better.. Which they absolutely were. I think we can all agree the defense played 100 times better early in the season than late. Though to their credit I think they started to get their mojo back a little late in the season. And frankly I thought they were pretty good in the playoff games. All that said I don't think enough is made of the psychological impact of the team losing QB1 and knowing that they had to play out of their minds just to have a chance and then exhaling a bit when QB1 returned. It's only natural. The injuries just added to it but I think there was going to be a dropoff defensively when Dak came back regardless. Pros or not.. guys are human.
ahh, ok, then that was my miss.
 

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What are you even talking about? Where the hell did I say the defense was better off with Rush? You're a little spicy right now and I think its causing you to get confused between posts.



This poster said this:

Also how much of the offense being where it was ranked have to do with the defense being top 5 in take aways?


He's claiming the offense was ranked high because the defense was top 5 in takeaways.

I bring up that Rush had a top 5 defense and it didn't help the offense. The defense was playing better when Rush was QB as opposed to when Dak was at QB.....

Then you replied with whatever the hell you did lol.
my apologies, I read better off. you said better. which they were better. thus it helped Rush.
 

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They both need a lot of help on both sides. Dak had a top defense this season and last season, they also led the league in turnovers twice. It's obvious that's still not enough for either qb
All QBs do. That's what makes a very good team.
 
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