Dak Prescott on Cowboys second-year TE Jake Ferguson

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I liked Ferguson coming out of college all along, and that alone made me question the Schoonmaker pick. Dallas essentially drafted the same guy two years in a row.
I like Ferg too and believe he has a lot of potential. However its not like he's a proven commodity. To me its nothing like drafting Martellus Bennett or Gavin Escobar in the 2nd round when it was clear Witten was the guy.

I know a lot of us wonder if oline would have been a better pick. We'll see, but Schultz leaving created an opening and lost production. Offensive line was already determined and the Cowboys probably figured they would add depth later on. So with loss of Schultz hard to argue wanting to add to the TE room early. Personsally I would have liked to added a veteran guy to provide more flexibility in the draft.
 

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I agree with him likely not being back unless it's a very team friendly deal. But he isn't getting any mileage on him at all. In his 4 year career he has 510-2616 rushing and 121-1008 receiving and 1500 more return yards. That's 5124 all purpose yards and he didn't have any return yards last year and probably won't ever again. Without the return yards he only has 3624 total yards. In 4 years.
Pollard is getting “some” mileage on him and he’s coming off a serious injury. That’s added some wear and tear to him. He’s coming off a career high in carries last season and this will be his fifth season. The Cowboys moved on from DeMarco Murray after four seasons, and he only had one big season of carries. Let’s say we struggle at RB2 this season, Pollard could end up getting a much bigger workload.
 

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It doesn't really matter. They have an awesome roster and you aren't going to hit on every pick.
It does matter you, can’t keep missing on second round picks, it will catch up with you. The Cowboys have a good roster, but it’s still have some holes. The problem with you is you anoint players before they even take their first regular season snap. You already have them marked down as good players. I’m sure the Cowboys roster looks real awesome to you. Lol
 

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The Cowboys moved on from DeMarco Murray after four seasons
On March 12 2015, Murray agreed to a five-year, $42 million contract with the Eagles.

That's why the Cowboys moved on from him.
 

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The Cowboys have a good roster, but it’s still have some holes.
Every team does. The final 4 teams in the conference champion games just this last season were KC, CIN, PHIL and SF. Do you think those teams had perfect rosters?
 

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On March 12 2015, Murray agreed to a five-year, $42 million contract with the Eagles.

That's why the Cowboys moved on from him.
According to Jerry the amount of carries Murray had in 2014 convinced him the Cowboys weren’t going to go very high on their offer. He said historically backs that have had that amount of carries, their performance usually drops off the following season. Plus, he said they had to re-sign Dez Bryant.
 

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Every team does. The final 4 teams in the conference champion games just this last season were KC, CIN, PHIL and SF. Do you think those teams had perfect rosters?
I never claimed anyone had a perfect roster, everyone has a few holes, but the Cowboys keep running into a better San Francisco team in the playoffs. We’re still not good enough in the trenches to beat them. Someone will come in and blame it all on Dak, but it hasn’t been all on him.
 

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It does matter you, can’t keep missing on second round picks, it will catch up with you. The Cowboys have a good roster, but it’s still have some holes. The problem with you is you anoint players before they even take their first regular season snap. You already have them marked down as good players. I’m sure the Cowboys roster looks real awesome to you. Lol
You haven't got a clue.
 

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Yep that's all true. Additionally, Solari on draft day told the guys on the draft coverage that they are looking for "athletic" offensive linemen.
Yeah, Torrence, the Florida guard has absolutely awful feet. He’s strong and fine just pushing his guy backwards. Dallas runs an inside and outside zone blocking scheme. The guards need nimble feet to be effective in that. Dallas was never interested in Torrence, and yes I said that before the draft. He’d be okay in a gap scheme but in the Cowboys zone blocking scheme, he simply wasn’t a fit.

Football fans just saw he was the first guard ranked and wanted him because they expect Tyron Smith to be injured and for Tyler Smith to move out to LT. They never put much thought into if he was a scheme fit or not. He wasn’t, and so Dallas wasn’t interested. The OT they got in the 4th (Asim Richards) would be much better in the Cowboys zone scheme, and sure enough he has looked good.

It hasn’t stopped a group of fans from pining away for Torrence at every opportunity. He isn’t a fit.

As for Schoonmaker, the Cowboys want two good blocking TE’s and they had one. They had Sam LaPorta as their top ranked TE, and he was an athletic guy who was a good blocker and did a lot of it. He got taken at the top of the 2nd, so Dallas went to the only other guy who fit that mold in Schoonmaker. He gives them a second good blocking TE and the athleticism to concern defenses downfield.

McCarthy wants to have 2 TE’s that can stay in and help in protection if they need them to, or can open holes in the running game, period. He also wanted those guys to have the athleticism and ability to threaten the defense downfield. That was what he wanted to add to his WC offense and he only had one with Ferguson. So they were dead set on getting that guy in the draft, and after LaPorta went, it was just about only Schoonmaker left who fit that.

That is also why Dallas wasn’t interested in Kincaid and why Buffalo jumped up for nothing.

The Cowboys want two guys who the defense isn’t sure if they’re going to stay in protection for Dak, fire out and run block, or if it is a play action pass, who can get down the seam. Now Dallas has two guys who can do that, and it will indeed be more difficult on defenses. They can play every snap and help in any play that Mike might call. They never have to be taken out on run plays, or pass plays. I’m not sure most football fans realize how useful that is for an offense… or how hard that can be on defenses.

That is why they drafted him. That is why they didn’t want to try to wait until the third. They wanted to get that guy in this draft and there weren’t a lot of backups if some other team drafted Schoonmaker. They pulled the trigger on a guy they wanted and who they had a plan for… I will always support that and it is yet another reason why Dallas has done so well in the draft for the last decade.

It was a big need. Fans didn’t see it that way but the coaches sure did. They got who they wanted at a position they needed.
 

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Yeah, Torrence, the Florida guard has absolutely awful feet. He’s strong and fine just pushing his guy backwards. Dallas runs an inside and outside zone blocking scheme. The guards need nimble feet to be effective in that. Dallas was never interested in Torrence, and yes I said that before the draft. He’d be okay in a gap scheme but in the Cowboys zone blocking scheme, he simply wasn’t a fit.

Football fans just saw he was the first guard ranked and wanted him because they expect Tyron Smith to be injured and for Tyler Smith to move out to LT. They never put much thought into if he was a scheme fit or not. He wasn’t, and so Dallas wasn’t interested. The OT they got in the 4th (Asim Richards) would be much better in the Cowboys zone scheme, and sure enough he has looked good.

It hasn’t stopped a group of fans from pining away for Torrence at every opportunity. He isn’t a fit.

As for Schoonmaker, the Cowboys want two good blocking TE’s and they had one. They had Sam LaPorta as their top ranked TE, and he was an athletic guy who was a good blocker and did a lot of it. He got taken at the top of the 2nd, so Dallas went to the only other guy who fit that mold in Schoonmaker. He gives them a second good blocking TE and the athleticism to concern defenses downfield.

McCarthy wants to have 2 TE’s that can stay in and help in protection if they need them to, or can open holes in the running game, period. He also wanted those guys to have the athleticism and ability to threaten the defense downfield. That was what he wanted to add to his WC offense and he only had one with Ferguson. So they were dead set on getting that guy in the draft, and after LaPorta went, it was just about only Schoonmaker left who fit that.

That is also why Dallas wasn’t interested in Kincaid and why Buffalo jumped up for nothing.

The Cowboys want two guys who the defense isn’t sure if they’re going to stay in protection for Dak, fire out and run block, or if it is a play action pass, who can get down the seam. Now Dallas has two guys who can do that, and it will indeed be more difficult on defenses. They can play every snap and help in any play that Mike might call. They never have to be taken out on run plays, or pass plays. I’m not sure most football fans realize how useful that is for an offense… or how hard that can be on defenses.

That is why they drafted him. That is why they didn’t want to try to wait until the third. They wanted to get that guy in this draft and there weren’t a lot of backups if some other team drafted Schoonmaker. They pulled the trigger on a guy they wanted and who they had a plan for… I will always support that and it is yet another reason why Dallas has done so well in the draft for the last decade.

It was a big need. Fans didn’t see it that way but the coaches sure did. They got who they wanted at a position they needed.
Bill Parcells worked for years to get just that combination for his tight ends...
 

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Yeah, Torrence, the Florida guard has absolutely awful feet. He’s strong and fine just pushing his guy backwards. Dallas runs an inside and outside zone blocking scheme. The guards need nimble feet to be effective in that. Dallas was never interested in Torrence, and yes I said that before the draft. He’d be okay in a gap scheme but in the Cowboys zone blocking scheme, he simply wasn’t a fit.

Football fans just saw he was the first guard ranked and wanted him because they expect Tyron Smith to be injured and for Tyler Smith to move out to LT. They never put much thought into if he was a scheme fit or not. He wasn’t, and so Dallas wasn’t interested. The OT they got in the 4th (Asim Richards) would be much better in the Cowboys zone scheme, and sure enough he has looked good.

It hasn’t stopped a group of fans from pining away for Torrence at every opportunity. He isn’t a fit.

As for Schoonmaker, the Cowboys want two good blocking TE’s and they had one. They had Sam LaPorta as their top ranked TE, and he was an athletic guy who was a good blocker and did a lot of it. He got taken at the top of the 2nd, so Dallas went to the only other guy who fit that mold in Schoonmaker. He gives them a second good blocking TE and the athleticism to concern defenses downfield.

McCarthy wants to have 2 TE’s that can stay in and help in protection if they need them to, or can open holes in the running game, period. He also wanted those guys to have the athleticism and ability to threaten the defense downfield. That was what he wanted to add to his WC offense and he only had one with Ferguson. So they were dead set on getting that guy in the draft, and after LaPorta went, it was just about only Schoonmaker left who fit that.

That is also why Dallas wasn’t interested in Kincaid and why Buffalo jumped up for nothing.

The Cowboys want two guys who the defense isn’t sure if they’re going to stay in protection for Dak, fire out and run block, or if it is a play action pass, who can get down the seam. Now Dallas has two guys who can do that, and it will indeed be more difficult on defenses. They can play every snap and help in any play that Mike might call. They never have to be taken out on run plays, or pass plays. I’m not sure most football fans realize how useful that is for an offense… or how hard that can be on defenses.

That is why they drafted him. That is why they didn’t want to try to wait until the third. They wanted to get that guy in this draft and there weren’t a lot of backups if some other team drafted Schoonmaker. They pulled the trigger on a guy they wanted and who they had a plan for… I will always support that and it is yet another reason why Dallas has done so well in the draft for the last decade.

It was a big need. Fans didn’t see it that way but the coaches sure did. They got who they wanted at a position they needed.
Well said. This is highly recommended reading for the entire board.
 

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Did he mention, get ready because I have no idea of where it’s going when I let it go?
 

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I never claimed anyone had a perfect roster, everyone has a few holes, but the Cowboys keep running into a better San Francisco team in the playoffs. We’re still not good enough in the trenches to beat them. Someone will come in and blame it all on Dak, but it hasn’t been all on him.
The Cowboys are good enough to beat any team.
 

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Worth noting George Kittle was 24 when drafted.
Also worth noting Kittle was a 5th-round pick, not a 2nd like Schoonmaker, and had put together back-to-back decent pass-catching seasons for an Iowa program that has a history of producing quality TE's....whereas Schoonmaker had 1 decent season out of 5 years in Michigan, a pointed out run first program.
 

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Also worth noting Kittle was a 5th-round pick, not a 2nd like Schoonmaker, and had put together back-to-back decent pass-catching seasons for an Iowa program that has a history of producing quality TE's....whereas Schoonmaker had 1 decent season out of 5 years in Michigan, a pointed out run first program.
Schoonmaker is a good all around tight end.
 
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