Dak Prescott vs. Tony Romo

[percyhoward]

What passing title?

2014.

 

[408Cowboy]

He asked to compete for the job and was denied. That's all we need to know. I appreciate everything he did for the team too but let's not reinvent history. It took Dak one season to take the team as far as Romo ever did.

I've said the same. It falls on deaf ears.

 

[Blackrain]

Romo sustained a preseason injury in August that season and was medically cleared to play by the end of October. The injury was not season ending, as evident in his playing in the final game of the season. Romo would have returned to the starting lineup if Jerry Jones and Jason Garrett had permitted him to do so.

Injury did not take Romo's job. Jones and Garrett prevented Romo from reclaiming it.

True Garrett and Jones saved Tony from himself . No need to become Paralyzed to prove a point . They gave Tony time to think and if his back was REALLY NFL SOUND he would still be playing now or have come out of retirement .
Tonys back is and was fine to broadcast games not be taken to the ground by 300+ lb men anymore

 

[408Cowboy]

If you go through this thread you will notice a good amount of those that say they like/support both players also like most posts that crap on Dak in all those threads we have.

 

[G2]

2014.

He led the league in Rating and completion percentage, not yards or TDs. Again, what title?

 

[percyhoward]

He led the league in Rating and completion percentage, not yards or TDs. Again, what title?

Passer rating isn't separate from the other stats you mentioned. It includes all of them, along with INT%. That's why the NFL came up with passer rating, to include all the passing stats under one umbrella stat in order to determine the winner of the passing title.

The league hasn't used yards alone to determine its passing leaders since 1937. TD alone have never been used.

https://www.profootballhof.com/news/nfl-s-passer-rating/.

 

[G2]

Passer rating isn't separate from the other stats you mentioned. It includes all of them, along with INT%. That's why the NFL came up with passer rating, to include all the passing stats under one umbrella stat in order to determine the winner of the passing title.

The league hasn't used yards alone to determine its passing leaders since 1937. TD alone have never been used.

https://www.profootballhof.com/news/nfl-s-passer-rating/.

There is no passing title awarded. Not that I've seen.

 

[percyhoward]

There is no passing title awarded. Not that I've seen.

We're talking about titles, not awards. Zeke has won two rushing titles, meaning he led the league in rushing twice.

 

[G2]

We're talking about titles, not awards. Zeke has won two rushing titles, meaning he led the league in rushing twice.

Yeah, I get it. I've never heard of someone winning the passing title. I'm ok with being wrong, more curious than anything.

 

[Whirlwin]

What does it take to knock sense into people's heads who believe you can compare. Anything about the NFL ever. Every player every quarterback every team schemes for the players they have at that particular time. You just cannot compare. It's impossible and doesn't work stop trying

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Since the extremists seem to post more often than others, I just want to say, "There is no conflict in being a fan of BOTH Dak Prescott AND Tony Romo.

Watching Romo magic was the most enjoyable part of watching the Cowboys from 2006 - 2014. It is a shame the team was never as good as him. Watching old videos of him eluding tackles to get off a pass downfield never gets old, just like watching Emmitt Smith highlights never gets old. Tony only really had two opportunities in his career to get to the Super Bowl - 2007 and 2014. Unfortunately, the team came up short both times - in 2007 because of extraordinarily inept coaching by Wade Phillip's, and in 2014 because of a DeMarco Murray fumble, and a missed field goal.

Dak Prescott EXPLODED onto the NFL landscape with the single best rookie QB performance in the 100 year history of the league. It just doesn't get any better than Dak in 2016, as far as being a rookie. And like the gentleman he is, even Tony acknowledged that Dak EARNED the starting QB position. Even in defeat to the Packers, Dak's performance as a rookie in the playoffs was epic. But as with Tony in 2014, the defense in 2016 wasted a great QB performance. Dak has all the intangibles you look for in a QB. And he is still young and improving. He had a bad 16 game stretch in the second half of 2017, and the first half of 2018. But the last half of 2018 shows that his rookie year was no fluke. The Cowboys were 7-1 down the stretch last year, and Dak was a big reason why.

Tony proved that no QB can win a championship on his own. But the front office has done a better job this time surrounding their young QB with talent. The future is promising.

I am a huge fan of Tony Romo, AND a big fan of Dak Prescott. And I honestly believe that most Cowboys fans love both players, and are sick and tired of the verbal snipers who try to force us to choose one or the other. I choose BOTH. I refuse to be drawn into the argument of who is better. Tony's time was great for fans, and now it is Dak's time.

One last comment: More than any other NFL team, the Cowboys have enjoyed an extraordinary succession of talented starting quarterbacks. 1 year with poor talent as an expansion team --> Don Meredith --> Craig Morton --> Roger Staubach --> Danny White --> Troy Aikman --> 5 years in the desert --> Tony Romo --> Dak Prescott. In 60 seasons of play, the team has only suffered through 6 seasons of sub-par talent at the most important position on the field. Instead of griping and complaining, we should be thankful. No other team had enjoyed such a succession of talent.

THANK YOU!!!!! I've been saying this for ages. Why must we choose to prefer Dak or Romo? They've both been excellent in their own rights. We are INCREDIBLY fortunate as a franchise to have been able to have them. Romo saved us from our streak of irrelevance, and Dak has maintained what Romo built. And neither were drafted before round 4 with Romo being undrafted. How many teams season after season draft QBs in round 1 and fail? Yet, we've done incredibly well at QB. That's incredibly lucky for us.

 

[HungryLion]

Yeah, I get it. I've never heard of someone winning the passing title. I'm ok with being wrong, more curious than anything.

All I know is, after the 2014 season, if you asked Siri “who is the best QB in the NFL” she would say Tony Romo, because he had the highest passer rating.

Of course that doesn’t mean anything. Just wanted to mention it.

 

[DallasEast]

True Garrett and Jones saved Tony from himself . No need to become Paralyzed to prove a point . They gave Tony time to think and if his back was REALLY NFL SOUND he would still be playing now or have come out of retirement .
Tonys back is and was fine to broadcast games not be taken to the ground by 300+ lb men anymore

As golf has evolved over the last two decades, the golf swing has become more powerful. To keep up, modern-era professional golf players participate in intensive strength-training sessions. And the techniques of the swing have also changed. During the downswing, greater compressive force is directed toward the spinal disc and facet joints, and this affects these structures asymmetrically. With more than 300 swings per golf-playing day, the golfer repeatedly experiences minor traumatic injuries to the spine, which over time can result in a pathogenic process that the authors have termed "repetitive traumatic discopathy" (RTD).

- Walker CT, Uribe JS, Porter RW. Golf: a contact sport. Repetitive traumatic discopathy may be the driver of early lumbar degeneration in modern-era golfers. J Neurosurg Spine, 2019 DOI: 10.3171/2018.10.SPINE181113

Spinal Injuries Romo Sustained During His NFL Career

• Herniated Disk - December 22, 2013
• Transverse Process Fracture - October 27, 2014
• L1 Vertebra Compression Fracture - August 25, 2016

The above trauma episodes are extremely likely to have been thoroughly diagnosed by highly qualified spinal specialists and talked about at length with Romo and the franchise front office. The lifelong impact and necessary precautions for optimal back health would have been completely discussed. If the severity of the documented injuries were as extreme as to potentially lead to possible paralysis, Romo would have been counseled against continuing to play golf, a sport known for decades exacerbate back related trauma.

Logically, the overall trauma Romo suffered from back injuries was not as severe as observers state. Significant? Yes. All injuries necessitating surgery are significant in nature. Life debilitating? No. Sound rationalization suggests the repeated opinion stated as fact--by some members of the media, sports fans, etc.-- that Romo risked paralysis due to tackling is a self-perpetuating fallacy.

No one 'saved' Romo from anything. "Paralyzed Romo" is a widely held assumption more likely existing as a largely held falsehood and less likely to be an actual truth.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Thanks, brother. Not really back yet. Sold my house and finally settled into the new house and things are settling down. Will be having surgery next week and I'll be out of commission from a working out and/or doing any physical activity whatsoever for a couple months so I'll have a lot of free time on my hands coming up.

Hope all is well with you!

Sorry to hear that you're having surgery, bud. I hope it all goes well.

 

[Blackrain]

As golf has evolved over the last two decades, the golf swing has become more powerful. To keep up, modern-era professional golf players participate in intensive strength-training sessions. And the techniques of the swing have also changed. During the downswing, greater compressive force is directed toward the spinal disc and facet joints, and this affects these structures asymmetrically. With more than 300 swings per golf-playing day, the golfer repeatedly experiences minor traumatic injuries to the spine, which over time can result in a pathogenic process that the authors have termed "repetitive traumatic discopathy" (RTD).

- Walker CT, Uribe JS, Porter RW. Golf: a contact sport. Repetitive traumatic discopathy may be the driver of early lumbar degeneration in modern-era golfers. J Neurosurg Spine, 2019 DOI: 10.3171/2018.10.SPINE181113

Spinal Injuries Romo Sustained During His NFL Career

• Herniated Disk - December 22, 2013
• Transverse Process Fracture - October 27, 2014
• L1 Vertebra Compression Fracture - August 25, 2016

The above trauma episodes are extremely likely to have been thoroughly diagnosed by highly qualified spinal specialists and talked about at length with Romo and the franchise front office. The lifelong impact and necessary precautions for optimal back health would have been completely discussed. If the severity of the documented injuries were as extreme as to potentially lead to possible paralysis, Romo would have been counseled against continuing to play golf, a sport known for decades exacerbate back related trauma.

Logically, the overall trauma Romo suffered from back injuries was not as severe as observers state. Significant? Yes. All injuries necessitating surgery are significant in nature. Life debilitating? No. Sound rationalization suggests the repeated opinion stated as fact--by some members of the media, sports fans, etc.-- that Romo risked paralysis due to tackling is a self-perpetuating fallacy.

No one 'saved' Romo from anything. "Paralyzed Romo" is a widely held assumption more likely existing as a largely held falsehood and less likely to be an actual truth.

Logically Tony was probably cautioned about golf but he and the rest of the football playing world know that the golf swing and being smashed to the ground at crazy angles under 300 lb men are 2 different things .

Facts are his injuries happened while playing football not golf . Excuse me I mean Trauma Episodes . Glad to know breaking your back has been relegated down to a trauma episode Sheesh!!

Fact is Tony Romo is one of the most competitive guys on the planet and would love to have a SB Ring

Fact is if Tonys back was NFL sound he would be helping some team get to the SB right now.

Fact is after a Disk and 2 fractures Paralyzed Romo is a very real possibility that Tony and his family do not feel is worth the risk . and I consider Jerry and Jason family to him . If it was he would jump out of the booth and join his good friend in search of that ring .

Its more than a widely held assumption its facts to most of the world except the few here that were so emotionally invested in Tony that they wanted to get every last ounce from his career no matter the risk . Jerry and Jason gave Tony time to think and he did the right thing for himself and his family .

 

[DallasEast]

Logically Tony was probably cautioned about golf but he and the rest of the football playing world know that the golf swing and being smashed to the ground at crazy angles under 300 lb men are 2 different things .

The laws of physics explains how applied force impacts the human body. Science is not always understood.

Facts are his injuries happened while playing football not golf . Excuse me I mean Trauma Episodes . Glad to know breaking your back has been relegated down to a trauma episode Sheesh!!

The trauma to his back occurred during his career. Those episodes were established well-before his retirement. He (like any other golfer) continues exerting applied force to his back without the detrimental effect one would think should occur to someone deemed to be close to becoming paralyzed.

Fact is Tony Romo is one of the most competitive guys on the planet and would love to have a SB Ring

True.

Fact is if Tonys back was NFL sound he would be helping some team get to the SB right now.

That is your opinion. While he has not really been outspoken about the subject, Romo has stated enough publicly about his own reasoning on the subject that is the exact opposite of your (and others) conclusion.

Fact is after a Disk and 2 fractures Paralyzed Romo is a very real possibility that Tony and his family do not feel is worth the risk . and I consider Jerry and Jason family to him . If it was he would jump out of the booth and join his good friend in search of that ring

.And yet Romo has publicly stated his back was much better two years after his retirement that he could play football with it. Another fact is the general public's understanding of spinal anatomy outside the medical community is extremely substandard.

Its more than a widely held assumption its facts to most of the world except the few here that were so emotionally invested in Tony that they wanted to get every last ounce from his career no matter the risk . Jerry and Jason gave Tony time to think and he did the right thing for himself and his family .

Romo would not have stepped on the field versus Philadelphia in the final game of the 2016 regular season if the possibility of paralysis was an actual threat to his then current and long-term physical well-being. This is still football. It is, in fact, the National Football League. What? Do you or others believe Eagles defensive players decided to take it easy on Romo if they had an opportunity to tackle him?

Again, logically, the proclamation is a self-perpetuating fallacy. Not supported scientifically. Not supported medically. Not supported by information disclosed by Romo, his family or the Dallas Cowboys franchise.

The absence of logic erodes the foundation of equivalent discussion.

You have the final say in our mini-convo.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

IMO the real reason this controversy or argument over Dak and Romo exists is because the Cowboys by not allowing Tony to reclaim (or at the very least at lease like he asked for compete to get his starting job back) the team took away the chance alot of fans wanted for Romo to get the storybook ending for his career. WE all know that with Zeke added to the offense in 2016 we should have been an unstoppable team and while our D was only middle of the road that season they were good enough combined with our offense to win it all. Romo really is the only reason the Cowboys were even relevant as a team the last 5 years he was playing, he took a pounding he played hurt , he never ever got a call from the refs for roughing the passer and he never complained. There was no way the team was going to play worse with Romo getting his starting job back in 2016, could he have gotten hurt again? Of course, but if you are trying to win you play your best players when they are healthy and as well as Dak played as a rookie Romo was still the better QB and he should have been playing. I will go to my grave believing we would have beaten GB in the playoffs that year with Romo as our starter, do we win the SB after that? who knows but i believe Tony deserved that last chance to win it and the team took it away from him and away from the fans. They saw how Dak played they could have made the decision to go with him after the season and i don't think anyone would have been upset (or at least not as many). Just remember that offense in 2016 was built for Romo in 2016 not Dak, if your being serious about it who do you think it would have run better under? A rookie? (even as well as he played) or the 10 year starter 4 time pro-bowl QB starting QB who the offense was built for? The decision by the Cowboys hurt them with alot of fans and it also hurt Dak with alot of fans. Dak now takes the blame for alot of things that were never in his control as a rookie, it's human nature because we all wanted to see how the story for Romo could have ended and we were all robbed of that. It's my take on the entire situation

 

[G2]

IMO the real reason this controversy or argument over Dak and Romo exists is because the Cowboys by not allowing Tony to reclaim (or at the very least at lease like he asked for compete to get his starting job back) the team took away the chance alot of fans wanted for Romo to get the storybook ending for his career. WE all know that with Zeke added to the offense in 2016 we should have been an unstoppable team and while our D was only middle of the road that season they were good enough combined with our offense to win it all. Romo really is the only reason the Cowboys were even relevant as a team the last 5 years he was playing, he took a pounding he played hurt , he never ever got a call from the refs for roughing the passer and he never complained. There was no way the team was going to play worse with Romo getting his starting job back in 2016, could he have gotten hurt again? Of course, but if you are trying to win you play your best players when they are healthy and as well as Dak played as a rookie Romo was still the better QB and he should have been playing. I will go to my grave believing we would have beaten GB in the playoffs that year with Romo as our starter, do we win the SB after that? who knows but i believe Tony deserved that last chance to win it and the team took it away from him and away from the fans. They saw how Dak played they could have made the decision to go with him after the season and i don't think anyone would have been upset (or at least not as many). Just remember that offense in 2016 was built for Romo in 2016 not Dak, if your being serious about it who do you think it would have run better under? A rookie? (even as well as he played) or the 10 year starter 4 time pro-bowl QB starting QB who the offense was built for? The decision by the Cowboys hurt them with alot of fans and it also hurt Dak with alot of fans. Dak now takes the blame for alot of thinks that were never in his control as a rookie, it's human nature because we all wanted to see how the story for Romo could have ended and we were all robbed of that. It's my take on the entire situation

What if's are just that.

 

[visionary]

Well it is true. The Browns might and I say might have their first franchise QB since Bernie Kosar. The Bears other than a couple years of Jim McMahon really haven't had a great QB since Sid Luckman. Cowboy fans have really been spoiled at QB. And although I may seem to get on Romo, my real gripe is with fans who want to trash our HOF QBs in order to make him look better. Tony was a good QB. He was an exciting QB. But I had as many ups as I did downs with him. I just wish he could have won a SB. The FO wasted him. I don't know about Dak yet. I like him. I was all in on him in year one. At the beginning of last year I moved away from him and toward the end I was moving back toward him. I just have to see more. One thing is certain though. He is not as bad as some claim he is ( also not as great as some say he is).

Well said

 

[Blackrain]

The laws of physics explains how applied force impacts the human body. Science is not always understood.
The trauma to his back occurred during his career. Those episodes were established well-before his retirement. He (like any other golfer) continues exerting applied force to his back without the detrimental effect one would think should occur to someone deemed to be close to becoming paralyzed.
True.
That is your opinion. While he has not really been outspoken about the subject, Romo has stated enough publicly about his own reasoning on the subject that is the exact opposite of your (and others) conclusion.
.And yet Romo has publicly stated his back was much better two years after his retirement that he could play football with it. Another fact is the general public's understanding of spinal anatomy outside the medical community is extremely substandard.

Romo would not have stepped on the field versus Philadelphia in the final game of the 2016 regular season if the possibility of paralysis was an actual threat to his then current and long-term physical well-being. This is still football. It is, in fact, the National Football League. What? Do you or others believe Eagles defensive players decided to take it easy on Romo if they had an opportunity to tackle him?

Again, logically, the proclamation is a self-perpetuating fallacy. Not supported scientifically. Not supported medically. Not supported by information disclosed by Romo, his family or the Dallas Cowboys franchise.

The absence of logic erodes the foundation of equivalent discussion.

You have the final say in our mini-convo.

We can agree to disagree , Im sticking with the fact he is a very competitive guy and left the game and his legacy unfulfilled . If he was confident in his back he would be chasing that dream like his BFF . I guarantee the desire to win a championship burns inside him .