Dak should be given two more seasons after this one to win

Jayinem said:
Why is it that no one gets upset if you say give a coach 2 more years, or a WR, or a RB, or a defensive player no problem saying any of those but there's a problem with the QB? Why is that? The QB is considered to be the most important position not just in football but in all of sports.

I never said Dak is supposed to win by himself, but he plays a very significant role in winning or losing. If somehow he plays fantastic and we lose then that's different, but it usually doesn't happen that way in football. I'm giving him 3 more chances to do some good things in the playoffs if he fails it's time to move on. I think that's totally fair.
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What makes you say people don't get upset about the other positions you mentioned? Why is there so much argument about Zeke? Garrett? DLaw? Even Randy Gregory has his proponents and opponents.
 
Thing wrong with this post, is we have to give Dak 2 more years at minimum, unless we want a dead cap hit that is larger than his yearly salary. It is like 85 million to cut him or trade him next year, and 39 million in 2014. I guess if we did a post June 1st cut it would be feasible, but Jerry isn't would not even entertain that idea and I agree with him on that.
 
Jayinem said:
Why is it that no one gets upset if you say give a coach 2 more years, or a WR, or a RB, or a defensive player no problem saying any of those but there's a problem with the QB? Why is that? The QB is considered to be the most important position not just in football but in all of sports.

I never said Dak is supposed to win by himself, but he plays a very significant role in winning or losing. If somehow he plays fantastic and we lose then that's different, but it usually doesn't happen that way in football. I'm giving him 3 more chances to do some good things in the playoffs if he fails it's time to move on. I think that's totally fair.
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Because even slightly above avg QB’s are hard to find. Dak has shown, I believe, he’s better than slightly above avg and most reasonable, knowledgeable people would agree.
 
Amarillofan82 said:
Thing wrong with this post, is we have to give Dak 2 more years at minimum, unless we want a dead cap hit that is larger than his yearly salary. It is like 85 million to cut him or trade him next year, and 39 million in 2014. I guess if we did a post June 1st cut it would be feasible, but Jerry isn't would not even entertain that idea and I agree with him on that.
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This. It simply doesn't matter. The guy will play here for two more seasons and that's that.

Start a thread like this in two years, when he has had all the play off chances. Since we're stuck with him all we can do is wait and see if there will be a superbowl title or not.

/end thread
 
LocoBates said:
It would be 9 freaking years! , no freaking thanks. It is literally now or never.

If it didn't work for / with Dak in 7 there is no reason to think it will work in the 9th year. Besides, comparing to Carr is a low bar, Carr has a SB ring just because he was warming up the bench while backing Eli M with the Giants, but he never played a single snap that season, so unless you bench Dak and make him a backup of a SB winning QB there is no point in comparing.
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I’m not surprised that you are this clueless
 
If Dak played the whole season he would have 20+ ints and another 4-5 fumbles.
He is what his scouting report says he is
Inconsistent accuracy
Problems reading the field
Scott Linehan developed a offense Dak could thrive in.
Since he's been in the pocket defenses have discovered his flaws and good defense will neutralize him. With Daks salary the only way forward is to draft a QB with potential and let them battle it out. Dak may become the most expensive backup in NFL history but the team will move forward.
 
Jayinem said:
I'm comparing him to Derek Carr who I think is in the same range as Dak talentwise he was benched and is going to be gone after this season, this is Carr's 9th season. Dak in his 7th season threw the same amount of INTs as Carr this season in 5 less games. I'm not saying get rid of Dak now but if he doesn't win this playoffs or the next two it's time to move on. He'll be 30 next summer no team really keeps a QB for 15-20 years that doesn't win it just doesn't happen. At some point you have to show you can win a Super Bowl, that is the entire point of the game not regular season wins or TDs.
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You mean Jones haven’t won for 27 years.
 
Jayinem said:
I deal with the same thing on the Mavericks with Mark Cuban. I hate him but love the team. But can't just say don't make any changes ever again because he sucks, I do also hate the Jones but that will not change and when Jerry dies Stephen will take over.
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Mark Cuban actually hired a GM and has always had one.
 
noshame said:
If Dak played the whole season he would have 20+ ints and another 4-5 fumbles.
He is what his scouting report says he is
Inconsistent accuracy
Problems reading the field
Scott Linehan developed a offense Dak could thrive in.
Since he's been in the pocket defenses have discovered his flaws and good defense will neutralize him. With Daks salary the only way forward is to draft a QB with potential and let them battle it out. Dak may become the most expensive backup in NFL history but the team will move forward.
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This is crap. Dak has never had a turnover problem. The year he injured his hand he Al of a sudden gains more turnovers. This is not who he is if you have been paying attention to his career.
 
Jayinem said:
Why is it that no one gets upset if you say give a coach 2 more years, or a WR, or a RB, or a defensive player no problem saying any of those but there's a problem with the QB? Why is that? The QB is considered to be the most important position not just in football but in all of sports.

I never said Dak is supposed to win by himself, but he plays a very significant role in winning or losing. If somehow he plays fantastic and we lose then that's different, but it usually doesn't happen that way in football. I'm giving him 3 more chances to do some good things in the playoffs if he fails it's time to move on. I think that's totally fair.
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because you can go right out and get another coach with money that doesn’t count on the cap. You can get a coach typically without draft capital. You can get a top tier coach every offseason.

good quarterbacks are hard to find. Great quarterbacks are Halley’s comets. You can’t just go get another quarterback off the scrap heap. You can’t just draft one and assume it’ll work. You also don’t invest money into lamb, parsons, diggs, etc and then hope and pray your quarterback works. If it doesn’t you’ve set your team back years.

dak may be flawed but he’s nowhere near as bad as many here make him but to stick to your question see above.
 
Jake said:
Can we stop with this QBs win by themselves nonsense? Derek Carr has had nothing but one coaching and OC change after another, and usually cursed with a bad defense. It's a team sport. Fans simplify it to just the QB for their own convenience. It's easy.

Even Tom Brady hasn't won by himself. It's no coincidence that he had coaching continuity, and a top 10 defense, for years at New England.
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:hammer:

Excellent post
 
I think after 7 years in the league, one would tend to think that Dak has maximized his upside. He has had the benefit of having a solid supporting cast over the years along with the continuity of being in the same offensive system. I don’t think he is a bad QB; I think he gets scrutinized because he plays for the Cowboys and makes $40MM per year.
I think he is a great leader, but he has issues with his consistency of play, passing accuracy and reading defenses; and to a lesser extent, I think injuries have limited his mobility and he seems less keen to run with the ball. At this point…I think he is what he has shown us he is; a competent QB that will lead an offense able to generate enough points to lead the NFL, but unable to lead that same offense to a post-season victory.
As another poster mentioned, I would be curious to see how Dak would function in another system.
 
Jayinem said:
I'm comparing him to Derek Carr who I think is in the same range as Dak talentwise he was benched and is going to be gone after this season, this is Carr's 9th season. Dak in his 7th season threw the same amount of INTs as Carr this season in 5 less games. I'm not saying get rid of Dak now but if he doesn't win this playoffs or the next two it's time to move on. He'll be 30 next summer no team really keeps a QB for 15-20 years that doesn't win it just doesn't happen. At some point you have to show you can win a Super Bowl, that is the entire point of the game not regular season wins or TDs.
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Don't worry, he's not going anywhere for at least two more years. His contract says so.
 
Jake said:
Can we stop with this QBs win by themselves nonsense? Derek Carr has had nothing but one coaching and OC change after another, and usually cursed with a bad defense. It's a team sport. Fans simplify it to just the QB for their own convenience. It's easy.

Even Tom Brady hasn't won by himself. It's no coincidence that he had coaching continuity, and a top 10 defense, for years at New England.
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True
But a QB is either an asset or a liability.
Carr and Prescott both tip the scales in the wrong direction.
 
How many seasons did Romo have. This is a team game. He is having to many picks. Some of which is not his fault. But most are. We have a better Defense this year. If we go into the playoffs healthy then we will see what happens. Let’s see if all phases play.
 
noshame said:
True
But a QB is either an asset or a liability.
Carr and Prescott both tip the scales in the wrong direction.
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C'mon now. I am critical of Dak at any chance I get. But he is anything but a liability. Take a look around the league. Teams without decent QBs aren't doing very well. Dak isn't great, but he's better than a lot of QBs in this league. We have a team problem. Romo was a very talented QB and how much success did the Cowboys have with him? Culture, coaching, owner. Let's stop blaming the QBs.
 
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