Dak should be given two more seasons after this one to win

Jayinem said:
I'm comparing him to Derek Carr who I think is in the same range as Dak talentwise he was benched and is going to be gone after this season, this is Carr's 9th season. Dak in his 7th season threw the same amount of INTs as Carr this season in 5 less games. I'm not saying get rid of Dak now but if he doesn't win this playoffs or the next two it's time to move on. He'll be 30 next summer no team really keeps a QB for 15-20 years that doesn't win it just doesn't happen. At some point you have to show you can win a Super Bowl, that is the entire point of the game not regular season wins or TDs.
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What they should do is begin the search for Daks successor. That alone could take 3 years. Why not start while Dak is here. Spend a 1st rounder on a QB if he falls in the draft and you like him. Sure people will say ohhh my gawd don't waste a pick that high on a QB while Dak is here. Let's draft a DT or OT. Well they need to start their search sometime. You get what you pay for. Sacrifices and risks have to be made to get ahead. You play it safe and keep throwing these 6th round picks at a QB and you will end up with nothing. can you imagine if Dallas landed a decent QB on a rookie contract what would happen. It would take the pressure off the salary cap that Dak has been strangling.
 
Dak has guaranteed one more year due to his contract. The next year after that is basically also guaranteed because he is due 29 million in base salary that year and he is probably as good as you can ever get for the 29 million. He has this year and 2 more to show us what he has got. Lets go Dak get er done. No more pooping your pants when it matters the most like last year.
 
Flamma said:
C'mon now. I am critical of Dak at any chance I get. But he is anything but a liability. Take a look around the league. Teams without decent QBs aren't doing very well. Dak isn't great, but he's better than a lot of QBs in this league. We have a team problem. Romo was a very talented QB and how much success did the Cowboys have with him? Culture, coaching, owner. Let's stop blaming the QBs.
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When you have some of the best pocket time and you lead the nfl in turnovers it's a problem. I mean what if biadase doesn’t steal a ball we lose to the eagles right?
Seriously as time moves forward it will become more obvious, even his teammates will turn. They always do.
I like him, I have his jersey in my closet.
But he's been weighed, measured, and is not a NFL starter.
 
noshame said:
When you have some of the best pocket time and you league in turnovers it's a problem. I mean what if biadase doesn’t steal a ball we lose to the eagles right?
Seriously as time moves forward it will become more obvious, even his teammates will turn. They always do.
I like him, I have his jersey in my closet.
But he's been weighed, measured, and is not a NFL starter.
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I don't totally disagree with you. But he's basically been paid for the next two years, and we don't have a replacement. I'll take him over Geno Smith, Carson Wentz, and a lot of those other fools out there. Drafting a QB isn't a bad idea. But for now?

Our D is also not playing very well as of late. If they get back on track we should be ok. The one thing that worries me are the interceptions. It doesn't matter who's fault they are, just that they are happening at an alarming rate.
 
Jayinem said:
I'm comparing him to Derek Carr who I think is in the same range as Dak talentwise he was benched and is going to be gone after this season, this is Carr's 9th season. Dak in his 7th season threw the same amount of INTs as Carr this season in 5 less games. I'm not saying get rid of Dak now but if he doesn't win this playoffs or the next two it's time to move on. He'll be 30 next summer no team really keeps a QB for 15-20 years that doesn't win it just doesn't happen. At some point you have to show you can win a Super Bowl, that is the entire point of the game not regular season wins or TDs.
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are the interceptions a concern? absolutley. one would be crazy not to be concerned. but while everyone is focusing on the interceptions, we forget to notice the offensive output around every stat and how it jumped significantly since his return. Cowboys lead the league in offensive points, by almost 6 points per game....so you can't miss the forest because of the trees, specifically the one tree that is in the front and everyone is focused on. the job of the offense is to score points, control the ball, convert third downs, and yes not to turn the ball over. statistically speaking, its unrealistic to expect 0 interceptions. but perhaps 5 less interceptions over the same period. so all this hoopla over 5 interceptions....lets not lose sight of what is important. that's offense scoring points. that's the offenses job.

and I don't disagree with your initial comment. 2 more years and we almost have no choice. he is not elite, we all agree on that. elite ones last into their late 30s. so early 30s is time to move on.
 
Jake said:
Neither of them are entirely responsible for their teams' lack of postseason success. One is already a scapegoat, the other may soon follow.

Scapegoats make fans feel better, but they don't address the real problems. They only perpetuate them.
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this.

:hammer:
 
PAPPYDOG said:
Give him a 10-year extension at 1 billion $ just because he is D-A-K.
All the glory we have witnessed with him under center one wishes he would play (Like Brady) till his 45!:muttley:
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I like that idea..... we would be set at QB for the next 10 years and could focus in other areas...although I think $1 billion is a bit too much. I think $950million is more the right number. don't y ou agree?
 
noshame said:
When you have some of the best pocket time and you lead the nfl in turnovers it's a problem. I mean what if biadase doesn’t steal a ball we lose to the eagles right?
Seriously as time moves forward it will become more obvious, even his teammates will turn. They always do.
I like him, I have his jersey in my closet.
But he's been weighed, measured, and is not a NFL starter.
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lets not play the if/buts/thens...because we can all come up with 100s of those and end up playing Madden football....since you went the negative outcome, I can do the same for a positive outcome. just to even things out.
 
DogFace said:
Because even slightly above avg QB’s are hard to find. Dak has shown, I believe, he’s better than slightly above avg and most reasonable, knowledgeable people would agree.
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Dak's problem is he is not Elite and he will never be forgiven for not being elite....
 
noshame said:
If Dak played the whole season he would have 20+ ints and another 4-5 fumbles.
He is what his scouting report says he is
Inconsistent accuracy
Problems reading the field
Scott Linehan developed a offense Dak could thrive in.
Since he's been in the pocket defenses have discovered his flaws and good defense will neutralize him. With Daks salary the only way forward is to draft a QB with potential and let them battle it out. Dak may become the most expensive backup in NFL history but the team will move forward.
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so ultimately what you are saying, the hendershot almost catch and volley interception is Dak's fault?
 
noshame said:
True
But a QB is either an asset or a liability.
Carr and Prescott both tip the scales in the wrong direction.
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one leads and offense that's tops in NFL in scoring. with team being 12-4 vying for #1 seed. the other....well, not so much. therein lies the difference....small, but significant.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
Bash Dak over Dallas fans like to see dallas lose so they can point fingers at Dak. I don't call them real cowboys fans.
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Show me anybody that says they want Dallas to lose.

You can't do it.

It's easy to find posters gloating that Dak is here for the long haul as some kind of weird flex anytime someone brings up his inconsistency's.

We know which side you're on when it comes to Dak or Dallas.
 
Jake said:
Can we stop with this QBs win by themselves nonsense? Derek Carr has had nothing but one coaching and OC change after another, and usually cursed with a bad defense. It's a team sport. Fans simplify it to just the QB for their own convenience. It's easy.

Even Tom Brady hasn't won by himself. It's no coincidence that he had coaching continuity, and a top 10 defense, for years at New England.
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QBs are judged by wins and loses.
been that way since the league formed.
all QBs get too much credit and too much blame.
talking about the w/l record of a QB is no different than comparing the w/l record of head coaches.
its how they're judged.
even the league ranks all-time head coaches by their win/loss record.
its how the mop flops.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
lets not play the if/buts/thens...because we can all come up with 100s of those and end up playing Madden football....since you went the negative outcome, I can do the same for a positive outcome. just to even things out.
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Time will settle this.
 
NFL GMs feel the QB is the most important position towards achieving NFL team success. They have the largest share of responsibility towards team success and are paid the largest share of the teams finances. This is a standard part of being the starting QB in the NFL.
Everything else is window dressing. Downplaying or minimizing the QB's role in team success is simple economics.
He can either perform his job well without having to have an all star cast at most positions or he can't.

Dak Prescott is no different.
He is on year 7 and if not for this year's early season team defense and backup QB play and playcalling for the first half of the season, this team would not be where it's at based on his inconsistent performance.

He peaked as a rookie unfortunately. His oline , rookie RB and his own ability to run were the main contributors to that success.
None of those contributors are as effective anymore. Nor is he.

To give him the Jason Garrett 10 year learning plan treatment is stupid at this point.
He needs extreme, as in historical support, from both the defense and running game to ever taste any postseason success.

He's a complimentary QB.
Not an elite one whose performance can carry a team regardless of other team warts.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
one leads and offense that's tops in NFL in scoring. with team being 12-4 vying for #1 seed. the other....well, not so much. therein lies the difference....small, but significant.
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Rush could easily have done the same or better with the best surrounding cast in the league.
Rush isn't a long term NFL starter either
 
Jayinem said:
I'm giving him 3 more chances to do some good things in the playoffs if he fails it's time to move on. I think that's totally fair.
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So now you're in control?
:lmao:
Is this the mindset of most complainers? Do they really think voicing themselves on back alley websites gives them influence? Yes, there are players on this team that would not be here if I was in charge. I'll mention why I don't like a particular player or a particular scheme, we employ. But I'll never just harp on it continuously.

I don't worry about things I can't change or control and I can't change or control how this team is ran. And that's why I don't waste my time complaining.

PS - The OP probably would have gotten rid of John Elway before he broke through.
:laugh:
 
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