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And just where are those two 1st round picks coming from?
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And just where are those two 1st round picks coming from?
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I did know the Cowboys had some free agents after the season but I will admit I didn't know there were that many.
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I mean that's subjective. Overpaid to me? Yes. But if everyone is overpaid then you can't really say its overpaid. At some point you have to come to the realization that is simply market value and that's the real question. Do you want to pay market value or do you want to just draft a guy very 4 or 5 years?
I just don't think we have enough data to say what will or won't win a Super Bowl. Like right now everyone says you can't pay a quarterback and win a Super Bowl. But at some point every good quarterback is going to be overpaid and that myth will be put to rest. Especially once Watson, Mahomes, etc. get paid.
Yeah ID on't know what the hell they are talking about. I'm convinced they haven't seen him play.
So if you don' think the Eagles backed into the division then you think the Cowboys reached their potential with a 8-8 season? I'm sorry but if you are 8-7 and are leading your division you didn't go out there and win it you backed into especially when you hadn't been leading it all year. The Eagles are so bad that they can still lose on Sunday and miss out on the playoffs.....that's WITH the Cowboys losing what? 4 out of 5 games?
And btw, I'm not saying the Cowboys didn't back into either. Even if they won on Sunday they would've backed into it. They have done nothing but beat bad teams all year(well they lost to the Eagles and Jets and Bears) and lose to the good teams. That's backing in to me.
So you believe Wentz would win 11 or 12 wins with our supporting cast even though he couldn't do it last year with a Super Bowl winning supporting cast? I can't say I agree with that.
I also disagree with you about Romo. He would've failed in 2016 like he failed his whole career. Why? Because of who is head coach is. I get it. Its the uncertainty. We will never know what Romo would've done win or lose. Hell to be honest there is no evidence to even say Romo's body would have even held up if they brought back in that year. He probably would've got hurt again. Who knows how the team around him plays.
I'm of the belief that year the Cowboys were going to lose regardless. Because mind you, Dak played good enough to win in that Packers game. Hell he even had a lead. They didn't lose because of Dak. They lost because as usual they always found a way to lose in the Garrett era. Hell even the Wade and Parcells era. They find ways to lose. In that game they let Jared Cook run free which set up the field goal. In 2014 how did they lose? The "catch"? Its always something.
Is this a fact?
I'm neither a Dak hater, nor a Dak "slobberer" or whatever their called now a days.
I was hoping you were going to ask if I thought Dak was a better Ryan Fitzpatrick, with the INTs dialed back a bit.
I was sorely disappointed.
Yeah there's no middle ground I agree there. And you're right. The Wentz move was more crucial because they invested so much in him. With Dak they've invested time but they also have their past history of developing quarterbacks in the Jerry Jones era going against them and maybe that scares him to the point he overpays.Hindsight is 20-20 but can the Eagle really be happy paying Wentz that kind of money? I understand what you are saying concerning the market so I guess its not a matter of the amount more than it a question of is that player Worth that amount. Either pay him or lose him. With Wentz they gave up 4 picks to get him at #2 so they have an investment. we gave up nothing for Dak so its not that kind of situation here. For those of us that would like to see Dakota stay here for non-elite money, I guess that's not gonna happen but if the FO feels hes worth it than that's what will happen and we can hope it works out for the best.. Doesn't seem to be any middle ground here
I think the Cowboys definately underachieved this season and i think the Eagles and Wentz with all their injuries both on Defense and offense (that directly affects him) overachieved to be at 8-7 with a chance to go 9-7 and win the division and get into the playoffs. There are not alot of teams that can lose their top 3 WR their top RB along and still post a winning record for the season. If you are trying to say the Eagles backed in because the Cowboys sucked, i get that argument but if the Eagles had their injured players on offense for the season like the Cowboys had what would their record be? My guess is a couple of more victories at the least
And yes i believe Wentz would win 11-12 games with our offense. As for last season well it is hard to come off an ACL tear especially one that happens late in the season, and you could see Wentz was unsure not doing the things last year that he did the year before, but this year he is again and it shows in his play
If Russel Wilson had our coaches he'd be no better than Dak/Romo.Dak is average.. he can’t be elite if he doesn’t elevate players around him. If Russell Wilson had our weapons they would be sb favorites.
Dak is a little above average.. he should get 28m max because he’s young.
Ok so my next question is what do you give him?You have to draw the line somewhere, 35m is his
It exists, and it exists even here.Haha I'm not sure if Type 2 is actually a real faction of this fanbase lol. Especially if you go by the posts on this site lol. That fan doesn't exist.
Ok but let's also be honest about what they lost. They lost Alshon Jeffrey's, Nelson Agolor and Desean Jackson. They didn't even have Jackson last year, Agoholor sucks and Jeffrey's as usually is hurt when he's been hurt his whole career.
Their receivers suck. Fair but let's not pretend like he's missing a Pro Bowl at receiver. The guys he's missing aren't factors in Wentz's game. Wentz is a quarterback who loves throwing to the tight end and the screen pass. If Miles Sanders, Goedert and Ertz were hurt that's one thing. But those are his 3 best players EVEN when those guys are healthy.
In regards to his year last year....Wentz's problem was mental. Had nothing to do with his ACL injury last year. As you can see this year he has more fumbles than anyone. If you think Wentz can overcome this coaching staff then you must think he's the best quarterback in the league. Because I have yet to see a good quarterback overcome bad coaching. Aaron Rodgers couldn't even do it.
Ok so my next question is what do you give him?
This isn't always the case. Heck, Rogers was taken late in the first. Lots of QBs are taken late in the first or early in the 2nd and develop. To me, it's more about the environment that they are developed in, more then anything else. Seen way too many talented QBs get ruined by being drafted into the wrong situation. That's the honest truth.
Yeah I disagree. I don't let 5 million stop me from having a franchise quarterback. That's insane. We gave Nolan Carrell and Cedric Thornton 5 million. So basically we are letting a Cedric Thornton stop us from signing a franchise qb? That's insane.
But I say that to say this. If 5 million is stopping us....let Dak go. This is all a big charade. If you have a franchise quarterback you don't play this game. Rams didn't with Goff and Eagirls didn't with Wentz. So what that tells me is maybe they don't think Dak is that guy or want him to prove it. So if you have those questions then yeah I wouldn't give him 30 million. Maybe a 2 year 50 million dollar deal or something along those lines. That's far too much money to have those type of concerns. Let him walk if that's how they feel.
Some what you said is true. I'm surprised that you didn't mention Brady who went in the 6th round. But that still doesn't explain ALL of the QB's drafted that turned out to be busts. Also if those QB's you think turned out to bust because they went to the wrong situations, my answer for that is if they were as good as you think they were they would have been able to adapt and still shined. To many people want to place blame for players failure on someone, anyone other than the player. We both mentioned Rodgers and Rodgers got to sit on the bench for 3 years learning, Prescott did his learning and developing in live fire. There are many of the Prescott haters that started their hatred after his very first game and the Cowboys lost. But then the Cowboys went on a 11 game winning streak, the longest in Cowboys history, yet those haters kept on hating. Do you know what's funny about that, Prescott was named the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year. Now this season people complain about Prescott passing yet he's thrown for more yards than any Cowboys QB ever and for most of the season lead the league in completions or 20 + yards and still leads the league in completions of 40+ yards. Also unlike 2017 when Bryant led the league in drops and was 1 drop from leading the league in 2016 too, this season as a team the Cowboys lead the league in team drops. Yet there are some that want to blame Prescott passing even though the team has dropped a lot of passes.
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dude you are making my point. there are 4 teams and four qbs you mentioned out of 32 teams with 3 deep at QB..you know what thos eodds are, also let me reply..Ok well let me do it for you then.
Do you see the good teams.....the ones who for the most part have one consistently for the past 10-20 years do this? You see the Steelers trade 2 1st round picks to get a Jared Goff? You see them draft a Johnny Manziel with their 1st round pick?
Getting quarterbacks isn't easy. But there is a approach you should take especially if you have the ability to coach your guys up.
Ask yourself this...has Andy Reid ever had a bad quarterback? Has he ever traded up and drafted a bad quarterback in the 1st round?
What about Pete Carroll? What about Bellicheat? What about Harbaugh in Baltimore?
Yes, its hard to find a quarterback but there's a way to do it. It takes proper coaching, scouting, culture.......look at what the good coaches do at that position and look at what the bad organization do at it and I bet you will see a consistent trend. Doesn't take that much time. Just pick 5 good organziation and pick 5 bad ones and see what they have done at quarterback.
The majority of QB's drafted turn out to be busts along with every other positon, but the stats say that the guys you take in the 1st round have a better chance of success than the guys taken in the later rounds
Some what you said is true. I'm surprised that you didn't mention Brady who went in the 6th round. But that still doesn't explain ALL of the QB's drafted that turned out to be busts. Also if those QB's you think turned out to bust because they went to the wrong situations, my answer for that is if they were as good as you think they were they would have been able to adapt and still shined. To many people want to place blame for players failure on someone, anyone other than the player. We both mentioned Rodgers and Rodgers got to sit on the bench for 3 years learning, Prescott did his learning and developing in live fire. There are many of the Prescott haters that started their hatred after his very first game and the Cowboys lost. But then the Cowboys went on a 11 game winning streak, the longest in Cowboys history, yet those haters kept on hating. Do you know what's funny about that, Prescott was named the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year. Now this season people complain about Prescott passing yet he's thrown for more yards than any Cowboys QB ever and for most of the season lead the league in completions or 20 + yards and still leads the league in completions of 40+ yards. Also unlike 2017 when Bryant led the league in drops and was 1 drop from leading the league in 2016 too, this season as a team the Cowboys lead the league in team drops. Yet there are some that want to blame Prescott passing even though the team has dropped a lot of passes.
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