Dak vs Carr vs Cousins

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lk8701 said:
Dak Prescott signed a 4 year , $240,000,000 contract with the Dallas Cowboys, including $80,000,000 signing bonus, $231,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $60,000,000. In 2024, Prescott will earn a base salary of $1,250,000 and a signing bonus of $80,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $43,382,647 and a dead cap value of $195,270,294.

Kirk Cousins signed a 4 year , $180,000,000 contract with the Atlanta Falcons, including $50,000,000 signing bonus, $100,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $45,000,000. In 2024, Cousins will earn a base salary of $12,500,000 and a signing bonus of $50,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $25,000,000 and a dead cap value of $90,000,000.

Derek Carr signed a 4 year , $150,000,000 contract with the New Orleans Saints, including $28,500,000 signing bonus, $100,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $37,500,000. In 2024, Carr will earn a base salary of $1,210,000 and a restructure bonus of $28,790,000, while carrying a cap hit of $12,668,000 and a dead cap value of $62,800,000.

There really isn't that much of a difference between the 3 QBs in terms of overall impact but the salary difference is substantial.
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I think NFL GMs would disagree with your last sentence. Remember they have Dak ranked 10th, had Cousins in the teens, and Carr I believe in early 20s. Basically the people who study these players for a living think their is a bog difference between them In terms of ability plus Dak is younger.
 
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So let's see here....

Dak...........2-5 playoffs
Cousins. ..1-4 playoffs
Carr...........0-1 playoffs

I'd say you can group all 3 together and I'd have no issue with it whatsoever
 

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For everyone implying they support paying 160% more for similar or lesser results, please message me. I'm sure we can work out something we'll both be happy with.
 

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When Jerry kept kicking the can down the road i thought he finally figured it out and the Cowboys would be free of Dak like the Viking are free of Cousins. There was no way he was going to wait and wait and wait end up paying Dak more than he had to. He had to know they will not win a Superbowl with Dak as the starting QB right? Wow was i wrong.
 
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Take Dak over the other two right now. Can revisit in a few years, but all are veterans and I don’t think much changes as far as ability. Carr has a pretty damn good coach and team around him right now. We’ll have to see if he can sustain the play. Cousins has always been a high to mid teens ranking in my book and will never surpass that.
 
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IceStar-D7 said:
Not part of the deal...You go by total package, That's how you get paid in the NFL....MVP runner up! get's paid-that's just the way it is...
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Wow, MVP runner up who can't get it done in the playoffs....lets pay him the highest in the NFL. He couldn't get it done with less money and he sure wont with more.
 
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Adreme said:
I think NFL GMs would disagree with your last sentence. Remember they have Dak ranked 10th, had Cousins in the teens, and Carr I believe in early 20s. Basically the people who study these players for a living think their is a bog difference between them In terms of ability plus Dak is younger.
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I think the point is, these QBs go as far as the talent around them. Add to that, how well coached the offense is. None of them are particularly special, but can be given the right circumstances. If that's the case, why are we paying someone 60M a year? But in the end, if you're successful, your QB is going to want to be paid big at some point.
 

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Flamma said:
I think the point is, these QBs go as far as the talent around them. Add to that, how well coached the offense is. None of them are particularly special, but can be given the right circumstances. If that's the case, why are we paying someone 60M a year? But in the end, if you're successful, your QB is going to want to be paid big at some point.
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Every QB in the NFL goes as far as the talent them, save for maybe Mahomes, but there is only 1 of him and he has possibly the best offensive coach ever, and multiple elite players around him.

As for why you pay what you do, part of it is because the Cowboys stupidly waited (as they could have gotten him for 52-53 had they done this a year ago early in the offseason), but the main reason is that there are maybe 14-15 guys in the NFL who are good enough to be a QB of a contender. If you don’t have one, or one of the best defenses of all time, then you don’t have a chance.

So you either get the QB, and pay the QB, or you accept having no hope until you do.
 
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lk8701 said:
Dak Prescott signed a 4 year , $240,000,000 contract with the Dallas Cowboys, including $80,000,000 signing bonus, $231,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $60,000,000. In 2024, Prescott will earn a base salary of $1,250,000 and a signing bonus of $80,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $43,382,647 and a dead cap value of $195,270,294.

Kirk Cousins signed a 4 year , $180,000,000 contract with the Atlanta Falcons, including $50,000,000 signing bonus, $100,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $45,000,000. In 2024, Cousins will earn a base salary of $12,500,000 and a signing bonus of $50,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $25,000,000 and a dead cap value of $90,000,000.

Derek Carr signed a 4 year , $150,000,000 contract with the New Orleans Saints, including $28,500,000 signing bonus, $100,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $37,500,000. In 2024, Carr will earn a base salary of $1,210,000 and a restructure bonus of $28,790,000, while carrying a cap hit of $12,668,000 and a dead cap value of $62,800,000.

There really isn't that much of a difference between the 3 QBs in terms of overall impact but the salary difference is substantial.
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Like I posted a few years back when Dak signed his previous contract that made him the "top paid player of all time" then. Salaries are ephemeral, fleeting. It is a game of leap frog. The highest salary keeps rising year after year, decade after decade. In a flash of time that will seem like almost nothing, Dak will be down to 8th highest paid player, or 11th, or whatever. Just like last contract. He was #1 when he signed it and way down the list as others signed newer contracts. The comparison of what Dak got vs QB's like Cousins or Carr or others speaks more to how long it has been since they signed. Blink your eyes and Caleb and Stroud and several others will be paid more.
 
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darthseinfeld said:
Completely different tiers of players. Cousins has been historically bad against good teams his career. After his injury (before that he looked like he could be elite), Carr has been a mid tier QB that hasnt been able to play at a high level with any consistency

Dak deserves his criticism, but this isnt it
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Dak played on a much better team then Carr and Kurt also, let's keep it real...
 
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Adreme said:
Every QB in the NFL goes as far as the talent them, save for maybe Mahomes, but there is only 1 of him and he has possibly the best offensive coach ever, and multiple elite players around him.

As for why you pay what you do, part of it is because the Cowboys stupidly waited (as they could have gotten him for 52-53 had they done this a year ago early in the offseason), but the main reason is that there are maybe 14-15 guys in the NFL who are good enough to be a QB of a contender. If you don’t have one, or one of the best defenses of all time, then you don’t have a chance.

So you either get the QB, and pay the QB, or you accept having no hope until you do.
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It's not true for every QB. There are QBs that elevate the team around them. I know Burrow was one of them. We don't have as many in this league now as we used to.
 
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