Dak vs. Hurts

[Whirlwin]

Hurts was not the QB in that game on Xmas Eve IIRC

It just goes to show, you play a team, not a person. You don’t win or lose as an individual.

 

[Whirlwin]

A monumentally stupid play call cost the Seahawks that game.

Throw in the middle of a shortened field with criss crossing players obscuring the QB's vision. Just asking for a pick when you're just trying to maximize your shots at the end zone. Dumb.

Roll out your running QB and give him an isolated target running with him. If he's open, take the play. If you can run it in, take the play. Otherwise, throw it away. They had more downs than time. There was no rush. Play it safe on early downs.

I don’t see how it was Wilson’s fault, I can’t believe still they didn’t run the ball

 

[Whirlwin]

What Hurts showed last night is that he is far better than Dak. It's not even close.

I think he’s far better than Mahomes so. Hertz made some critical throws. Mahomes just went for the ride again.

 

[DZSierra]

San Fran, Pittsburgh, New England and Green Bay have rich traditions as well. You don't hear their fans tearing down the team like our putrid fanbase does.

I'm certain if you talk with fans of San Fran, Pittsburgh, New England and Green Bay, they can tear down their team just as well as any cowboys fan. However, I think there are 3 variables you're forgetting.

1 - Society in general has become more of a "it's all about me and my feelings damn everyone else" attitude (times are always changing, particularly with social media, which this forum is a part of).

2 - Free agency wasn't what it was back 20-40 years ago when you could have core team of guys who played for the same team for extended periods of time.

3 - The bigger issue with San Fran, Pittsburgh, New England and Green Bay is their teams apparently aren't as successful with marketing as the Cowboys, and all those fans don't have Jerry Jones personality to deal with.

When I think of the Cowboys, I think of Tom Landry, Roger Staubach, Jimmy Johnson and Troy Aikman. To ME, they are what represents what the Cowboys are / were.

 

[Captain-Crash]

the same guy thinks Mahomes is overrated but thinks dak is great. you can't make this crap up.

 

[DZSierra]

Once Hurtz gets a major leg injury…not wishing it but it’s inevitable for running QBs, he will be done and back to worse than Dak. Remember how good RGIII was as a passer before his injury, Wentz….?

Any QB runs the risk of a season ending injury, not just from running the ball, but by passing the ball. This years NFC championship game is living proof of that.

People forget that one of Roger Staubach's nickname was "Roger the dodger". Randall Cunningham also comes to mind, and that's back when guys went head hunting for QB's and he lasted about 15 seasons.

People always mention RG3 when it comes to running QB's getting injured, but people tend to forget that RG3 had problems staying healthy in college playing.

 

[charron]

If Dak throws a pic in a SB and they lose i'm not complaining as i'd still be in shock they made it that far.

 

[Boysdaboys]

A monumentally stupid play call cost the Seahawks that game.

Throw in the middle of a shortened field with criss crossing players obscuring the QB's vision. Just asking for a pick when you're just trying to maximize your shots at the end zone. Dumb.

Roll out your running QB and give him an isolated target running with him. If he's open, take the play. If you can run it in, take the play. Otherwise, throw it away. They had more downs than time. There was no rush. Play it safe on early downs.

Belichick took a huge risk too. If Seattle scores a TD with 19 seconds left, I am willing to bet NE does not have a chance at winning that game. He would be shredded forever. But he made a gutsy call by not calling timeout. He did not want Seattle to get another chance to review things. He saw they were confused and let it play out.

Passing isn't the issue. It was the pass play itself to a 4th receiver. Kearse got jammed by Browner. Kearse can't let that happen. Lockett needs to fight for the ball more. Not running Lynch is not that egregious because NE had a goal line D. The pass play itself was bad.

The coach has to veto that type of pass play. Have Wilson roll out or something.

In about 5 seconds, Seattle went from a near dynasty to just a middle of the pack team. They have never really been the same since.

All in all, I blame OC-HC-QB-and both receivers.

So I agree

 

[Boysdaboys]

If Dak throws a pic in a SB and they lose i'm not complaining as i'd still be in shock they made it that far.

If Dak's pick is the sole reason for losing, he definitely gets criticized like no one has before. Not necessarily by you. Just by Cowboys nation and media.

 

[Flamma]

If Dak throws a pic in a SB and they lose i'm not complaining as i'd still be in shock they made it that far.

The shock for me would be in the championship game. We never get that far. And now we're the only team in the NFC East that never won 14 games.

 

[NumOneQB]

Hurts played really well during the Super Bowl. The fumble was huge, but other than that he was on point. Sometimes the ball just bounces the other way….

 

[ghst187]

Any QB runs the risk of a season ending injury, not just from running the ball, but by passing the ball. This years NFC championship game is living proof of that.

People forget that one of Roger Staubach's nickname was "Roger the dodger". Randall Cunningham also comes to mind, and that's back when guys went head hunting for QB's and he lasted about 15 seasons.

People always mention RG3 when it comes to running QB's getting injured, but people tend to forget that RG3 had problems staying healthy in college playing.

Defensive players are a lot bigger, faster, and better athletes these days. A LOT of current QBs are effective when they can RPO….not very many are effective when the R ceases to become an option. Lamar, Josh Allen, Hurtz, Watson, Jones, LOT of QBs that if their run was taken away they will struggle to be pocket passers. We saw Hurtz try to be a pocket passer his first two seasons, he wasn’t good. Dak has lost some effectiveness, Wentz got ruined with a knee injury,…usually just a matter of time…

 

[charron]

The shock for me would be in the championship game. We never get that far. And now we're the only team in the NFC East that never won 14 games.

absolutely that's where my shock starts. anything after that is awesome.

 

[DZSierra]

Defensive players are a lot bigger, faster, and better athletes these days.

By your same assumption, the same can be said for offensive players.

When # 11 started playing last year for the Cowboys, who was he compared to? He was compared to #56, who played from 1981 to 1993.

Sometimes it a matter of time, but sometimes it's just some freak play, being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Same can be said for any position, but remember this, no matter when pro NFL players played, the QB was generally a top target of the defense.

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

I'm certain if you talk with fans of San Fran, Pittsburgh, New England and Green Bay, they can tear down their team just as well as any cowboys fan. However, I think there are 3 variables you're forgetting.

1 - Society in general has become more of a "it's all about me and my feelings damn everyone else" attitude (times are always changing, particularly with social media, which this forum is a part of).

2 - Free agency wasn't what it was back 20-40 years ago when you could have core team of guys who played for the same team for extended periods of time.

3 - The bigger issue with San Fran, Pittsburgh, New England and Green Bay is their teams apparently aren't as successful with marketing as the Cowboys, and all those fans don't have Jerry Jones personality to deal with.

When I think of the Cowboys, I think of Tom Landry, Roger Staubach, Jimmy Johnson and Troy Aikman. To ME, they are what represents what the Cowboys are / were.

No argument with anything you said .

My only issue with the Anti-Daxers is Dax is the next phase in that lineage, successful, non successful or something in between remains to be seen. The Anti-Daxers want him gone yesterday.

For many reasons

 

[Flamma]

I think he’s far better than Mahomes so. Hertz made some critical throws. Mahomes just went for the ride again.

He's really not close to Mahomes. We actually don't know yet, but I'm betting no. Keep in mind that when Hurts drops back to pass, 80% of the time or more it's against a full on run defense. Because that's what the Eagles are good at, and needs to be stopped. Lets see how well Hurts does when he's facing 7 or 8 guys in coverage. We saw that last year and it was pretty ugly. Once their run game isn't top notch, we'll see it again. Then we'll see how far Hurts has come.

 

[LatinMind]

How about you wait until Dak get's to a super bowl before making a comparison like this?

Oh nooooooooooooooo, another player made a bad play IN THE SUPER BOWL. Meanwhile, little Dakkie can't even get to the NFCCG.

Why they both didn't win anything.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I don’t see how it was Wilson’s fault, I can’t believe still they didn’t run the ball

I used to think it was ok to pass because they didn't have time left on the clock.

But on 1st down Lynch went down at the half yard line with a minute left. They had plenty of time to get 3 plays off, even with a run first.

They purposefully ran the clock down to 24 seconds before snapping the ball. They were too afraid of Brady coming back after they scored. Counted their chickens before they had hatched.

With only 24 seconds, yeah, I say pass first to make sure you will have time left for your 3 cracks at the end zone.

They cut it too close, too afraid of Brady, leaving themselves too little time to just run it and have enough time to line up again and still get two plays.

With a 2nd down run for a td, the extra point, and the kickoff, at most Brady is left with 45 seconds if you got the play off immediately. But NE was letting them run down the clock anyway, and they didn't need a full minute to run 3 plays, even starting with a run.

Could have run the clock just down to 40, minimizing the time for Brady, but still leaving you time for 3 plays, even starting with a run.
If you make a td on 2nd down, Brady gets the ball back with under 30 seconds.
If not, you still have plenty of time to run a 3rd down pass play, then run or pass on 4th down.

Bad clock management.

But I'd still argue that the play called was the biggest problem. I'll trust Russell Wilson to roll out and run for the TD, pass, or throw the ball away as a high percentage play all day long.

Instead, they went for a bang bang pass between the numbers in the most crowded field a QB ever faces. They took the judgment and evaluation out of Wilson's hands, and put everything on play design. Just a very bad call.

 

[DZSierra]

No argument with anything you said .

My only issue with the Anti-Daxers is Dax is the next phase in that lineage, successful, non successful or something in between remains to be seen. The Anti-Daxers want him gone yesterday.

For many reasons

I guess I'm not a hard core enough kind of Cowboys fan. I think Dak is a decent QB who fell where the chips fell due to the teams management and their own planning and what they were willing to pay due to their own expectations.

Do I think he's great? No. Do I think he's bad? No.

 

[Captain-Crash]

somebody throw up some name-calling warning because like usual the dak homers will get all butt hurt if everybody doesn't say he's the best ever. Warning may cause tears.