Dak vs Rush against Zone Defense

[JBS]

Sorry but neither Rush nor Dak give the Cowboys a Super Bowl chance.

I never said they did

 

[Vtwin]

they dont. next Dak coming back and rightfully so Rush is being overrated by team play. hes been great but its a mirage.

Did you comment on the specific topic of this thread? I must have missed it.

Do you have any thoughts on the specific topic of this thread or are you just here to beat your chest and scream Dak is great?

If you have a thought or two on the specific topic of this thread I would love to hear it/them.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Whats the word on Dak vs Cooper playing against zone defense up to this point?

Or...have teams being trying to fluster Cooper with Blitz to hurry him up and havent thrown much Zone at him?

I ask because...if Zone if Daks kryptonite...and Rush displays better zone beating ability...would you not roll with Rush with a defense like Dallas performing the way it is? Seems like this defense could take you to the promise land.

I am all for Dak being given the opportunity to prove himself against zone again. But if the constant talk on here is true about Dak being awful against zone...then you know defenses are going to throw that at him non-stop in playoffs. If that was the case but Rush displays better zone beating skills...would you not roll with Rush?

I assume Rush hasnt been hit with tons of zone yet to know if he is capable or not?

not sure if its necessarily zone....Dak struggles when the opposing team rushes and gets to the QB with 4 or 5 and drops 6,7 in coverage which usually means zone. I think any QB would struggle in that situation.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Two high safeties isn’t necessarily zone. It’s not zone that Dak struggles to beat. He struggles beating 7 guys in coverage. Whether it’s man or zone. Dak is good vs the blitz but hasn’t been able to adjust to the two high safety look teams are now throwing out there across the entire league. And it’s not just Dak that is struggling vs that defense, many other qbs are as well. This team knows it needs to run the ball well , that’s how you get these defenses out of these 2 high looks. That’s what Dallas needs to do.

7 years and he still can't figure this out? oof

 

[75boyz]

What exactly did I lose? LOL

I have heard many many of the "experts" you mention agree with me and many others on the one specific point that I made and is the topic of this thread.

You can go ahead and get emotional, conflating the above to a much broader topic, then beat your chest shouting about you won some contest that only exists in your mind.... but you can do it with someone else. Buzz off.

It's the funniest part of the entire board. While Hall of Fame Experts like Jimmy Johnson, Kurt Warner and Troy Aikman have in the past offered simple film criticism of Dak Prescott, the know it alls here continue in their defiance.
When yours, Khiladis, USArmyVet, Mountaineer,PappyDog, CaptainCrash, mine and other opinions sound very similar to the aforementioned HOF group, it boggles my mind their determination to die on Prescott Hill while being wrong at every turn.

They're the true experts though.
Just ask 'em, lol.

Oh, and be called a troll.
For telling the truth.
While they hate that Coop keeps winning his way.
Fun times.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Scoring is way down ..this defense + shorter TC is the big reason.

TO by the defense is also down this year.

 

[JBS]

7 years and he still can't figure this out? oof

You obviously don’t follow the league

 

[CowboyStar88]

You obviously don’t follow the league

This is your response? An insult? Do better.

 

[FVSTONE]

Whats the word on Dak vs Cooper playing against zone defense up to this point?

Or...have teams being trying to fluster Cooper with Blitz to hurry him up and havent thrown much Zone at him?

I ask because...if Zone if Daks kryptonite...and Rush displays better zone beating ability...would you not roll with Rush with a defense like Dallas performing the way it is? Seems like this defense could take you to the promise land.

I am all for Dak being given the opportunity to prove himself against zone again. But if the constant talk on here is true about Dak being awful against zone...then you know defenses are going to throw that at him non-stop in playoffs. If that was the case but Rush displays better zone beating skills...would you not roll with Rush?

I assume Rush hasnt been hit with tons of zone yet to know if he is capable or not?

The Toad Hunter has all of the second half of last season to prove himself and he failed miserably and going into the Tampa game he gave everyone the impression that he was ready to compete and once again he failed miserably before injuring his thumb. It appears that Toadie doesn't have the tools in his toolchest to get this team over the hump. Whereas R-U-S-H appears to be growing before our eyes into a starter in this league. He's not afraid to stand tall in the pocket and deliver a strike even when a D Lineman is bearing down on him. In R-U-S-H we trust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[JBS]

This is your response? An insult? Do better.

Your previous post is ignorant. Plenty of qbs, top qbs in the game, are having the same issues. Now that isn’t an excuse, of course Dak needs to improve but a blanket statement about being in the league 7 years is just dumb

 

[CowboyStar88]

Your previous post is ignorant. Plenty of qbs, top qbs in the game, are having the same issues. Now that isn’t an excuse, of course Dak needs to improve but a blanket statement about being in the league 7 years is just dumb

What was ignorant? 7 years and he is struggling with 2 high safety. Quit the insults.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Here is a quick breakdown of zone coverage each team has played against the Cowboys so far, per PFF.

Tampa - 80% zone coverage
Cincinnati - 67% zone coverage
NY - 55% zone coverage
Washington - 82% zone coverage

The average around the league is some form of zone defense on about 70% snaps this year. It's just a zone based league anymore, no real getting around it. The team that plays the most is the Rams, coming in at close to zone on 90% of their snaps, so that will be something to watch this week. The only team in the league to play more man coverage than zone has been Detroit FWIW.

And Cincy and NY blitz early, I think the blitz vs non blitz change is in full change....teams are getting away from the blitz as the offenses have changed to beat it...Plus they wanted to see if Rush could handle it and when he did they reverted to zone which in both games resulted in the offense stalling for a bit.

 

[Whirlwin]

Two high safeties isn’t necessarily zone. It’s not zone that Dak struggles to beat. He struggles beating 7 guys in coverage. Whether it’s man or zone. Dak is good vs the blitz but hasn’t been able to adjust to the two high safety look teams are now throwing out there across the entire league. And it’s not just Dak that is struggling vs that defense, many other qbs are as well. This team knows it needs to run the ball well , that’s how you get these defenses out of these 2 high looks. That’s what Dallas needs to do.

Somebody who understands defense thank you

 

[thunderpimp91]

And Cincy and NY blitz early, I think the blitz vs non blitz change is in full change....teams are getting away from the blitz as the offenses have changed to beat it...Plus they wanted to see if Rush could handle it and when he did they reverted to zone which in both games resulted in the offense stalling for a bit.

You're spot on there. Rush has been pretty good against the blitz.

Cincinnati he was 6-7 for 81 yards and a 1td
NY he was 11-17 for 134 and 1td
Then Washington only had 1 blitz all game.....at least on a passing down

 

[plasticman]

How about Dak versus Cooper with eight defenders in the box keying on the running game?

That's a typical 300 yard passing performance for Dak. As for Cooper, I'm sure we will put him on a pedestal for not making mistakes.

 

[Captain-Crash]

what's truly funny, is the fans getting mad because a backup is making dak look like what he is, a backup.

 

[blueblood70]

Did you comment on the specific topic of this thread? I must have missed it.

Do you have any thoughts on the specific topic of this thread or are you just here to beat your chest and scream Dak is great?

If you have a thought or two on the specific topic of this thread I would love to hear it/them.

dont need to, been handled... no one truly knows thew answer without breaking down 200 hrs of Dak film vs 25hrs of Rush film to figure out what they did vs those defenses. So take the ridiculous small sample size overreactions and out them in box and in basement with the news clipping for Rushes Braveheart FOUR GAME career because when dak gets back hes the starter and thats all we need to know.

coaches know this, they dont need help from fans who starts thread yet not sure what defense were ran in many of those games.

 

[FanofJerry]

dont need to, been handled... no one truly knows thew answer without breaking down 200 hrs of Dak film vs 25hrs of Rush film to figure out what they did vs those defenses. So take the ridiculous small sample size overreactions and out them in box and in basement with the news clipping for Rushes Braveheart FOUR GAME career because when dak gets back hes the starter and thats all we need to know.

coaches know this, they dont need help from fans who starts thread yet not sure what defense were ran in many of those games.

I dont get why you have to come across as bitter/salty in your posts. Everyone is different I guess.

I just find it odd that a lot of media personalities were queuing in on phrases like "Rush isnt afraid to get rid of the ball(Tony Romo even made the below the belt jab)" and "Rush is decisive"...

It comes across as if Dak has certain flaws. I think everyone here knows Dak is the better QB with blitzs. My main point of this thread was IF Rush does have certain characteristics that might make him better at beating the zone/2 High/whatever better than Dak(and since we know teams are going to throw that at Dak)...would you ride with Rush or Dak if defense is playing stellar up until playoffs with no major injuries?

Doesnt seem like a question to get bitter/salty over? I understand you might be frustrated with the Rush vs Dak talk...I tried to produce an interesting spin on a situation that a front office could have to make a tough decision on. Im sure most will just say that you roll with the 40M dollar man.

 

[blueblood70]

I dont get why you have to come across as bitter/salty in your posts. Everyone is different I guess.

I just find it odd that a lot of media personalities were queuing in on phrases like "Rush isnt afraid to get rid of the ball(Tony Romo even made the below the belt jab)" and "Rush is decisive"...

It comes across as if Dak has certain flaws. I think everyone here knows Dak is the better QB with blitzs. My main point of this thread was IF Rush does have certain characteristics that might make him better at beating the zone/2 High/whatever better than Dak(and since we know teams are going to throw that at Dak)...would you ride with Rush or Dak if defense is playing stellar up until playoffs with no major injuries?

Doesnt seem like a question to get bitter/salty over? I understand you might be frustrated with the Rush vs Dak talk...I tried to produce an interesting spin on a situation that a front office could have to make a tough decision on. Im sure most will just say that you roll with the 40M dollar man.

can't see why you feel the need to respond. Ignore it, move on..its my opinion.

 

[Jarv]

dont need to, been handled... no one truly knows thew answer without breaking down 200 hrs of Dak film vs 25hrs of Rush film to figure out what they did vs those defenses. So take the ridiculous small sample size overreactions and out them in box and in basement with the news clipping for Rushes Braveheart FOUR GAME career because when dak gets back hes the starter and thats all we need to know.

coaches know this, they dont need help from fans who starts thread yet not sure what defense were ran in many of those games.

I recall the same small sample size argument being used in 2016. The difference then was the small sample size belonged to Dak yet he was kept in favor of Romo. Did you want to see Romo get the ball back when he returned or were you for going ahead with Dak who was on a streak?