Dak vs Rush against Zone Defense

[blueblood70]

I dont get why you have to come across as bitter/salty in your posts. Everyone is different I guess.

I just find it odd that a lot of media personalities were queuing in on phrases like "Rush isnt afraid to get rid of the ball(Tony Romo even made the below the belt jab)" and "Rush is decisive"...

It comes across as if Dak has certain flaws. I think everyone here knows Dak is the better QB with blitzs. My main point of this thread was IF Rush does have certain characteristics that might make him better at beating the zone/2 High/whatever better than Dak(and since we know teams are going to throw that at Dak)...would you ride with Rush or Dak if defense is playing stellar up until playoffs with no major injuries?

Doesnt seem like a question to get bitter/salty over? I understand you might be frustrated with the Rush vs Dak talk...I tried to produce an interesting spin on a situation that a front office could have to make a tough decision on. Im sure most will just say that you roll with the 40M dollar man.

Not interesting at all. Trying to find any morsel to say Rush is better and hes not. rush has been in the NFL 5+ years correct on and off the PS so many times exposed to teams and for soem reason hes still a backup, one that fans 4 weeks ago hated and said Jerry was stupid and risking the season by keeping him when dak got hurt.. lmao now Hes all of sudden in debate with a Bonafide Starter.

go check out @Xwalkers posts when he actually brings in real data to debate , you have zero idea which games and how many snaps Dak has played zone the last 6 years vs Rushes 4 entire career games and how that measures up to be true or not..its a guess. maybe he can help you. i say if this is true Teams will exploit Rush and change the way they play him..let me know when rush has 50+ starts under his belt we can have a conversation

 

[ondaedg]

Whats the word on Dak vs Cooper playing against zone defense up to this point?

Or...have teams being trying to fluster Cooper with Blitz to hurry him up and havent thrown much Zone at him?

I ask because...if Zone if Daks kryptonite...and Rush displays better zone beating ability...would you not roll with Rush with a defense like Dallas performing the way it is? Seems like this defense could take you to the promise land.

I am all for Dak being given the opportunity to prove himself against zone again. But if the constant talk on here is true about Dak being awful against zone...then you know defenses are going to throw that at him non-stop in playoffs. If that was the case but Rush displays better zone beating skills...would you not roll with Rush?

I assume Rush hasnt been hit with tons of zone yet to know if he is capable or not?

Zone isn’t Dak’s kryptonite. 3 WRs vs 7DBs is.

 

[blueblood70]

I recall the same small sample size argument being used in 2016. The difference then was the small sample size belonged to Dak yet he was kept in favor of Romo. Did you want to see Romo get the ball back when he returned or were you for going ahead with Dak who was on a streak?

11-0 against some much better teams was not small. Romo was at the end of his career we al knew it injuries piling up and new young player on a 11-0 run. rush is 28 year old backup, a 6 years career backup not new not young and not 11 games in row started and won. Im a huge Romo fan and wasn't happy thought for sure he would come back. looking back the coaches made the correct decisions, Romo never played again... Romo even knew. didn't attempt to go play ever again,. NOT EVEN close to the same scenario. not even a debate.

fans can debate coaches KNOW, GM and owners KNOW.. we all know who they wilk choose and its not about his contract,

 

[blueblood70]

Zone isn’t Dak’s kryptonite. 3 WRs vs 7DBs is.

MORE LIKE MOORES Kryptonite, forcing the ball into that vs running more, drawing up better Gameplans and attack what the defense is doing... see game 1 abandoned the run game when it was workig ..best d in the League and never exploit what was working and getting more plays underneath and what not..

 

[Vtwin]

dont need to, been handled... no one truly knows thew answer without breaking down 200 hrs of Dak film vs 25hrs of Rush film to figure out what they did vs those defenses. So take the ridiculous small sample size overreactions and out them in box and in basement with the news clipping for Rushes Braveheart FOUR GAME career because when dak gets back hes the starter and thats all we need to know.

coaches know this, they dont need help from fans who starts thread yet not sure what defense were ran in many of those games.

If you can't see the very obvious differences in the way Rush and Dak approach certain situations then you just not might be the super duper football fan extraordinaire you think you are.

You really think people post here to help the coaches? Who on earth thinks their opinion is even going to reach the coaches, much less impact them?

It may be all you need to know, and I think the vast majority understand Dak will most probably be back taking the snaps when he is ready, but some of us like to engage in these "what would you do" discussions because we find the discussion interesting, especially when there are legitmate opposing points of view, like in this case.

Now I haven't read all of your 28 plus thousand posts, and I definitely have not gone back and read any past posts in order to break you down. I am certain that pretty much anyone can get a real feel for who you are, based simply on your last 25 posts, without having to go back. You see what I'm saying?

 

[Jarv]

11-0 against some much better teams was not small. Romo was at the end of his career we al knew it injuries piling up and new young player on a 11-0 run. rush is 28 year old backup, a 6 years career backup not new not young and not 11 games in row started and won. Im a huge Romo fan and wasn't happy thought for sure he would come back. looking back the coaches made the correct decisions, Romo never played again... Romo even knew. didn't attempt to go play ever again,. NOT EVEN close to the same scenario. not even a debate.

fans can debate coaches KNOW, GM and owners KNOW.. we all know who they wilk choose and its not about his contract,

It's weird, I was all for Romo coming back, but I bought a Dak Jersey (2nd in my whole old life at the time) in late August because I loved what I saw in pre-season and knew he would be playing for 10-12 weeks.

I was disappointed that management decided to not even let Romo compete with Dak for the starting job the following season. I think it started a bad trend in Dallas where Dak has not had to worry about his position (everyone agrees we haven't had decent QB backups), good or bad. Much like our GM and president.

Now that we see the least bit of competition, I hope it actually helps Dak. He hurt his thumb, not his legs. After his horrific ankle injury he hasn't been the same since he stopped being a big running threat, like his rookie year. That is something he can certainly do much better than Coop and when he comes back, and we know he will. I think he should promote and do what got him fame (college included) which is to run the ball. It can be wide open with 2 high safeties.

In the last 4 weeks, how many RPOs have we seen? Think back to Dak's glory days, it was a staple.

 

[blueblood70]

If you can't see the very obvious differences in the way Rush and Dak approach certain situations then you just not might be the super duper football fan extraordinaire you think you are.

You really think people post here to help the coaches? Who on earth thinks their opinion is even going to reach the coaches, much less impact them?

It may be all you need to know, and I think the vast majority understand Dak will most probably be back taking the snaps when he is ready, but some of us like to engage in these "what would you do" discussions because we find the discussion interesting, especially when there are legitmate opposing points of view, like in this case.

Now I haven't read all of your 28 plus thousand posts, and I definitely have not gone back and read any past posts in order to break you down. I am certain that pretty much anyone can get a real feel for who you are, based simply on your last 25 posts, without having to go back. You see what I'm saying?

sorry not reading any of that.

Moving On to more important matters of my day. this is wasted thread and wasted debate Daks coming back and rightfully

so, MOVE ON

PS if we allowed fans to build this team, RUSH would never have been here.. lmao facts truth get woke.. fans hated rush 5 weeks ago, been wanting him gone for years. other teams have NOT picked him up for a reason.

NEXT

 

[ondaedg]

MORE LIKE MOORES Kryptonite, forcing the ball into that vs running more, drawing up better Gameplans and attack what the defense is doing... see game 1 abandoned the run game when it was workig ..best d in the League and never exploit what was working and getting more plays underneath and what not..

Ya it’s any QB’s kryptonite. Even Brady. I blame Moore but I blame it on our OL more. Our line is decent in pass protection but doesn’t get any push on running plays even against three man fronts and that is how Denver created the blueprint to beat us when they were able to hold the line of scrimmage with a 3 or 4 man line.

 

[FanofJerry]

Zone isn’t Dak’s kryptonite. 3 WRs vs 7DBs is.

I should change my Thread title I guess. But I have repeatedly said zone/2 High/whatever to prevent comments like yours.

Whatever you want to call it. Seems like most of the discussion on this board is referring to it as Zone. I dont care to get into an argument about what it actually is that posters keep repeating is what is causing Dak to have trouble since Denver game last year.

3WR's vs 7 DBs...what is that called then?

 

[FanofJerry]

Not interesting at all. Trying to find any morsel to say Rush is better and hes not. rush has been in the NFL 5+ years correct on and off the PS so many times exposed to teams and for soem reason hes still a backup, one that fans 4 weeks ago hated and said Jerry was stupid and risking the season by keeping him when dak got hurt.. lmao now Hes all of sudden in debate with a Bonafide Starter.

go check out @Xwalkers posts when he actually brings in real data to debate , you have zero idea which games and how many snaps Dak has played zone the last 6 years vs Rushes 4 entire career games and how that measures up to be true or not..its a guess. maybe he can help you. i say if this is true Teams will exploit Rush and change the way they play him..let me know when rush has 50+ starts under his belt we can have a conversation

Hey man...I agree. But my question is tailored for a specific scenario.

My personal opinion is that I dont know if I just run out the 40M dollar man in my scenario. Of course Dak is the better player. Im asking IF Rush had characteristics that seem to help him beat 3WR vs 7DB's(Reading defense, decisiveness, throwing guys open)...WITH THIS DEFENSE...what would you do? Seems to be a tough situation from my point of view.

Media people were kind of suggesting at Dak having flaws...this board has been over run with people claiming Dak has had issues for years. Im taking those thoughts and using them in a scenario as IF THEY WERE TRUE WHAT WOULD YOU DO? I dont care to argue about how stupid posters are...and I know that coaches have the best info to make decisions that its not even worth mentioning...and SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE A NAME FOR WHAT THE ISSUE DAK IS SUPPOSEDLY HAVING so we can all be on the same page lol. Is it zone? Why are so many referring to it as zone? Whatever it is...someone make a name for 3WR vs a lot of DB's please.

For the record...Im not a Dak homer or hater. Im just asking a question.

 

[Vtwin]

sorry not reading any of that.

Lol. Another one. I really can't believe you kids feel ok about admitting that. Embarrassing.

so, MOVE ON

lol. You really are a special one. Telling people what to do. lol

PS if we allowed fans to build this team, RUSH would never have been here.. lmao facts truth get woke.. fans hated rush 5 weeks ago, been wanting him gone for years. other teams have NOT picked him up for a reason.

Doesn't change the fact that Dak can't read, anticipate and react as well has Rush has shown he can.

Game/Set/Match.

 

[blueblood70]

Lol. Another one. I really can't believe you kids feel ok about admitting that. Embarrassing.





lol. You really are a special one. Telling people what to do. lol



Doesn't change the fact that Dak can't read, anticipate and react as well has Rush has shown he can.

Game/Set/Match.

52 is not kid get passed it, get over it, IDC about your replies, thats all it if. Offended much??

 

[blueblood70]

Doesn't change the fact that Dak can't read, anticipate and react as well has Rush has shown he can.

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Dak can and has many many years and many many games He got 40mil because he can do that Better then rush.. game set match. Now go away.


OK keyboard GM, you don't know squat, OK U Parroting sheep, dak hating troll.,. finally removing you from my threads, you are no longer welcomed.

 

[75boyz]

It's weird, I was all for Romo coming back, but I bought a Dak Jersey (2nd in my whole old life at the time) in late August because I loved what I saw in pre-season and knew he would be playing for 10-12 weeks.

I was disappointed that management decided to not even let Romo compete with Dak for the starting job the following season. I think it started a bad trend in Dallas where Dak has not had to worry about his position (everyone agrees we haven't had decent QB backups), good or bad. Much like our GM and president.

Now that we see the least bit of competition, I hope it actually helps Dak. He hurt his thumb, not his legs. After his horrific ankle injury he hasn't been the same since he stopped being a big running threat, like his rookie year. That is something he can certainly do much better than Coop and when he comes back, and we know he will. I think he should promote and do what got him fame (college included) which is to run the ball. It can be wide open with 2 high safeties.

In the last 4 weeks, how many RPOs have we seen? Think back to Dak's glory days, it was a staple.

Yep, gave ya a like because it's the one, and the only thing he had as an advantage over Rush.
IF he has totally evolved into what he personally feels is an accurate pocket passer, and I believe in his mind he has, then there's no hope.

Everything you said here is spot on.
The 2016 version with his legs being used as a primary weapon to the game plan is gone.

And so is his effectiveness.

He peaked as a rookie and then dreamed he became Mahommes when nothing could be further from the truth.

 

[FanofJerry]

My gawd...do I have spell it out further?

If Dak has an issue with audibling into passing plays that are disguised man looks that end up being 3wrs vs 7DBs...with this defense...who would you choose in playoffs?

Is that a better way of asking?

 

[Vtwin]

Dak can and has many many years and many many games He got 40mil because he can do that Better then rush.. game set match. Now go away.


OK keyboard GM, you don't know squat, OK U Parroting sheep, dak hating troll.,. finally removing you from my threads, you are no longer welcomed.

52 going on 12.

My goodness.....

 

[StarOfGlory]

- Kellen seems more committed to running.. (and stay with running the ball with Cooper Rush,) ..than what he will with Dak.

- If this was Dak, instead of Cooper, ..Kellen would be so determined to pass happy Dak out of his funk to regain his self-confidence and rhythm.

- if teams are determined to keep dropping zones and defenders back, then hurt the opposing defenses upfront. Make them commit to 8 man in the box with the safeties up.

Strangely enough, of the top 10 rushing teams, only the Eagles, Giants, and Packers have winning records to date. Teams seems to be shy about the 8-man box anymore. The Giants are an outlier. If there is any team to stack the box against, it's that team. They have no passing offense.

 

[75boyz]

52 going on 12.

My goodness.....

The varyiety of maturity levels demonstrated by most CZ member texts are just another source of entertainment, lol.

 

[FanofJerry]

Hey man...I agree. But my question is tailored for a specific scenario.

My personal opinion is that I dont know if I just run out the 40M dollar man in my scenario. Of course Dak is the better player. Im asking IF Rush had characteristics that seem to help him beat 3WR vs 7DB's(Reading defense, decisiveness, throwing guys open)...WITH THIS DEFENSE...what would you do? Seems to be a tough situation from my point of view.

Media people were kind of suggesting at Dak having flaws...this board has been over run with people claiming Dak has had issues for years. Im taking those thoughts and using them in a scenario as IF THEY WERE TRUE WHAT WOULD YOU DO? I dont care to argue about how stupid posters are...and I know that coaches have the best info to make decisions that its not even worth mentioning...and SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE A NAME FOR WHAT THE ISSUE DAK IS SUPPOSEDLY HAVING so we can all be on the same page lol. Is it zone? Why are so many referring to it as zone? Whatever it is...someone make a name for 3WR vs a lot of DB's please.

For the record...Im not a Dak homer or hater. Im just asking a question.

Now that I have spelled it out for everyone no one wants to respond. Odd. Seems like the main objective is the distract and dance around topics than discuss them. Argue semantics, take a polarizing stance and insult is the main objective it seems...not Dallas Cowboys. Almost as if this is about psychology and triggering than discussing the Dallas Cowboys.

In my opinion...if your true aspirations are a Super Bowl and not squeezing value out of Dak and his contract...seems like making this decision would be hard IF all the rumors around here were true.

 

[Ranched]

Can't wait for Prescott to be back. These threads are ridiculous. Moving on....