Dak vs Wentz, Continued

[RonnieT24]

Agreed.

I take Dak all day, everyday over Wentz, but folks that try to dismiss how Wentz played in 2017 and his contribution to that teams Super Bowl are silly.

The hypocrisy test is simply to think about what if the same thing happened to Dak. Do you think the same folks on here would be okay with discrediting Dak?

If the backup came in and did the same thing Dak did AND won a championship I sure as hell wouldn't be trying to award Dak no damn MVP trophy three years later.. No one is saying that Wentz was not good in 2017. He was tremendous. His QBR was 78.5 which is VERY good.. It's higher than any full season Dak has had.. However Dak's QBR WAS 78.7 in 2020 and because I think he had figured that turnover thing out after a rough couple of games I believe it was going to go higher. 2020 would have been Dak's third season with a QBR above 70... and he was at 69.9 in 2017.. The fact remains that in 2017 Wentz was leading a loaded team with the #4 scoring defense having his back. That defense also generated over 31 turnovers for him.. The Cowboys defense has never forced more than 21 turnovers in a season Dak has played in and failed to hit 20 in 2018 and 2019. They only forced 15 in 2019. Less than half what the Philly defense did for Wentz in 2017. You know the year he was the MVP.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Objective? Seriously.. What's more objective than the numbers?.. wins, completion percentages, yards per attempt, turnovers. The numbers ALL say Dak is better and has always BEEN better. Wentz rode a top 4 defense to a great record one year.. and he was so integral to his team's success that they went out and won a championship without him. YOU are the one not being objective.. You have made up your mind that Wentz was something he was not in 2017 and nothing is going to dissuade you from that belief. Fine if that's what you wanna do.. I just asked you back up your claim with even a smidgen of evidence. And of course you didn't because you can't. No one has ever claimed Dak is the GOAT.. But most of us (rightfully) believe he is light years better than Wentz and the numbers bear that out. You go ahead and cling to that imaginary MVP trophy Wentz won. He was better than Dak in 2017.. that was Dak's worst season.. Dak has been better every other year.. And Dak's best games have been better than Wentz's best games thus the claim that "Wentz at his best has been better than anything Dak has done" is patently false and has been proven as much. You can dislike it, dismiss it , whatever you want.. but you can't change it. Ever..

I'm sorry, but did you miss the part about agreeing to disagree and moving on? lol

 

[Seven]

It’s hard to prove the future, isn’t it?

Not when it's in a contract........ seriously.

 

[viman96]

If people aren’t watching, advertisers will diminish. How does that equate to increased revenues and salaries?

LOL

 

[viman96]

Why is that? I didn’t hear it (not that I’m actively looking to).

Here is a link to part of the presser. Wentz would not answer questions as to why he left the Eagles and the Philly media and fans hammered him for it.

 

[HungryLion]

Agreed.

I take Dak all day, everyday over Wentz, but folks that try to dismiss how Wentz played in 2017 and his contribution to that teams Super Bowl are silly.

The hypocrisy test is simply to think about what if the same thing happened to Dak. Do you think the same folks on here would be okay with discrediting Dak?

I agree People shouldn’t dismiss Wentz’ performance in 2017.

I just don’t think people should be using “would have won an MVP” for Wentz.

he didn’t win an MVP. We can play would of could or should of all day with players all across the league.


If somebody wants to argue that Wentz played great in 2017. No argument there. If they want to argue he was the MVP..... I’ll argue that point. Because he wasn’t the MVP. No matter how much fans “think” he would have been if not for the injury.

 

[RonnieT24]

I agree People shouldn’t dismiss Wentz’ performance in 2017.

I just don’t think people should be using “would have won an MVP” for Wentz.

he didn’t win an MVP. We can play would of could or should of all day with players all across the league.


If somebody wants to argue that Wentz played great in 2017. No argument there. If they want to argue he was the MVP..... I’ll argue that point. Because he wasn’t the MVP. No matter how much fans “think” he would have been if not for the injury.

Yeah I think Dak was on his way to winning the MVP and setting all kinds of passing records in 2020.. I can't prove it.. but nobody can disprove it either..

 

[Starforever]

I understand that you want to make Dak look good and Wentz look bad. You're a Cowboys fan, so I get it.

There is no disputing that in 2017 Wentz was the MVP of the league before the injury happened. Dak has yet to be considered an MVP QB.

I'm curious, why is it so hard to give Wentz credit for that year without someone trying to make it about "Well, but Dak is like, SOOOO much better!"

Why be that way? Dak has yet to reach the level Wentz played at in 2017 while Wentz has yet to be as consistent year in and year out as Dak. Nothing more, nothing less, and it's okay. I'd rather have the consistency of Dak year in and year out then the one year wonder of Wentz, but that still doesn't change the fact that Wentz has played at a higher level then Dak, even if it was only for 1 season.

Check out the 2016 year, and come back.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Check out the 2016 year, and come back.

I don't need to do that. I know that Dak was better his rookie year. Did anyone think Dak was the MVP in 2016? No. If not for an injury Wentz was the MVP in 2017.

I don't see how that is so hard to accept. I know Wentz don't have a star on his helmet, but geez, the guy had a good year in 2017.

 

[viman96]

I understand that you want to make Dak look good and Wentz look bad. You're a Cowboys fan, so I get it.

There is no disputing that in 2017 Wentz was the MVP of the league before the injury happened. Dak has yet to be considered an MVP QB.

I'm curious, why is it so hard to give Wentz credit for that year without someone trying to make it about "Well, but Dak is like, SOOOO much better!"

Why be that way? Dak has yet to reach the level Wentz played at in 2017 while Wentz has yet to be as consistent year in and year out as Dak. Nothing more, nothing less, and it's okay. I'd rather have the consistency of Dak year in and year out then the one year wonder of Wentz, but that still doesn't change the fact that Wentz has played at a higher level then Dak, even if it was only for 1 season.

He did not win the MVP. Or Playoff game. Or Super Bowl. Why is that hard to believe?

People do not have issue giving Wentz credit for what he actually accomplished. Which was a good performance for 12-13 games. That is it. Philly had a great roster in 2017 and great coaching. All the FA pickups and trades worked out in way that rarely or if ever happens. Obviously a fluke for Howie because it is not something he has come close to repeating. To counter 2017 there is 2011 "Dream Team".

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

He did not win the MVP. Or Playoff game. Or Super Bowl. Why is that hard to believe?

People do not have issue giving Wentz credit for what he actually accomplished. Which was a good performance for 12-13 games. That is it. Philly had a great roster in 2017 and great coaching. All the FA pickups and trades worked out in way that rarely or if ever happens. Obviously a fluke for Howie because it is not something he has come close to repeating. To counter 2017 there is 2011 "Dream Team".

Him not winning anything due to injury doesn't mean that 2017 Wentz isn't better then any version of Dak so far.

 

[viman96]

Him not winning anything due to injury doesn't mean that 2017 Wentz isn't better then any version of Dak so far.

I'm only talking about Wentz the lack of respect you think he is getting. Wentz also bottomed out in 2020 and got benched which is something Dak has not. So do you love the 2017 or 2020 Wentz? You have the fake MVP year vs the worst rated starting QB in the NFL.

 

[George]

LOL

So you and a few others here know what is on those advertising contracts? Need a bridge? Further decline in viewership or attendance is going to be reflected in salaries, regardless of what you think you know.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I'm only talking about Wentz the lack of respect you think he is getting. Wentz also bottomed out in 2020 and got benched which is something Dak has not. So do you love the 2017 or 2020 Wentz? You have the fake MVP year vs the worst rated starting QB in the NFL.

Again, why are you guys trying to make this more then what it is/was?

2017 Wentz is better then any version of Dak. That isn't saying that Wentz is better then Dak right now. Why is that so hard to understand? lol

 

[viman96]

Again, why are you guys trying to make this more then what it is/was?

2017 Wentz is better then any version of Dak. That isn't saying that Wentz is better then Dak right now. Why is that so hard to understand? lol

What I am making more of than it was? Anything I stated not true?

Wentz was good in 2017 until he got hurt. He did not win MVP. He did not a playoff game. He did not win a Super Bowl. He sucked in 2020 and was the worst rated QB and got benched. So which part of that is not true? Which is embellished?

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

What I am making more of than it was? Anything I stated not true?

Wentz was good in 2017 until he got hurt. He did not win MVP. He did not a playoff game. He did not win a Super Bowl. He sucked in 2020 and was the worst rated QB and got benched. So which part of that is not true? Which is embellished?

All you're doing is spouting off things Wentz didn't do while conveniently ignoring the point and then bringing up Wentz recent trash play. We all know what he did and didn't do, but none of that changes the fact that 2017 Wentz is better then any version of Dak.

 

[Verdict]

Why does anyone care about Wentz at this point? Let it go, or possibly get some therapy for your fixation.

 

[RonnieT24]

All you're doing is spouting off things Wentz didn't do while conveniently ignoring the point and then bringing up Wentz recent trash play. We all know what he did and didn't do, but none of that changes the fact that 2017 Wentz is better then any version of Dak.

You left out "In my opinion." Which is all it is. You're entitled to feel any way you choose.. however no matter how strongly you feel about it doesn't make it a "fact."

You also seem to have not read your own admonition to "agree to disagree and move on."

 

[viman96]

All you're doing is spouting off things Wentz didn't do while conveniently ignoring the point and then bringing up Wentz recent trash play. We all know what he did and didn't do, but none of that changes the fact that 2017 Wentz is better then any version of Dak.

Did I do that? Pretty sure I said was good for 12-13 games until he got hurt. I also mentioned when he sucked. Is that not allowed? Your pride seems to be hurt that Wentz is not being acknowledged by everyone he is a great QB that "won" the MVP.

 

[Starforever]

All you're doing is spouting off things Wentz didn't do while conveniently ignoring the point and then bringing up Wentz recent trash play. We all know what he did and didn't do, but none of that changes the fact that 2017 Wentz is better then any version of Dak.

Actually, that is not true. How can you state that as fact, when the numbers state otherwise? The hype behind Wentz, was great for that moment, and he gained momentum off of that hype. He still has a chance to be great. Dak, also has an opportunity to be better.