Dak was the problem with Dez debunked

[Aviano90]

Dak's big TD throws to Cooper are a short throw with a lot of YAC, a medium range throw with even more YAC, a nicely placed deep throw, an under thrown pass with a great adjustment by Cooper and still more YAC. In other words, its been mostly Cooper.

You realize we can make the same argument against our other QB too, right?

The highlight of his career, the spin move against Watt, was a portly thrown ball that is only a TD because the defender fell down. Otherwise it is easily broken up or intercepted.

There were a ton of other passes we can hammer Romo for too. As a matter of fact, Romo often gets credit for making Austin a good receiver when it was Austin making Romo look good with YAC, if we apply the same standards to Romo as are applied to Dak.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

It's a myth Romo always threw accurate passes to Dez. That's complete BS. Go back and watch Dez's hi-lights.
It's mostly inaccurate throws that Dez caught with his ridiculous athleticism. Do you think easy balls anyone could catch would make the highlight reel?

Dez caught balls that were high, low, behind his back, with 3 defenders hanging on him, and beyond reach for most of the WR. This is not a dig at Romo but it's ridiculous to say Romo made Dez. If anything Dez helped Romo as much as Romo helped him.

Don't you know. We had no WR's when Romo was here. It was all him.

 

[Aviano90]

Don't you know. We had no WR's when Romo was here. It was all him.

That is because it was Romo singlehandeldly carrying the team to 8-8 and couldn’t win because he never had an offensive line, defense, or running game. He had to draw up plays in the sand, run around like a chicken with his head cut off, and always make something out of nothing. The defense could never hold a 4th quarter lead so the only way Romo could win a game is by scoring on the last possession. If Romo were on any other team in the league except the one he was on, he easily wins multiple championships.

 

[Bleu Star]

Dez couldn't touch T.O.

Facts

 

[TwentyOne]

Looks like we can put another theory to rest. With Cooper coming in and having an almost instant rapport with Dak its clear that Dak wasn't the problem with Dez.

Dak lacks the accurary and isn't able to make the throws Dez needed to be succesfull.

Cooper has the talent to be "college open". Daks needs this.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Dak lacks the accurary and isn't able to make the throws Dez needed to be succesfull.

Cooper has the talent to be "college open". Daks needs this.

In the 5 game win streak Dak leads the NFL in completion percentage. Another petty fact debunked. Dak just doesnt like throwing it up for grabs. Had no confidence in Dez. Cooper will be where he is supposed to be and will be open most of the time. Any QB would favor Cooper over Dez.

 

[TwentyOne]

In the 5 game win streak Dak leads the NFL in completion percentage. Another petty fact debunked. Dak just doesnt like throwing it up for grabs. Had no confidence in Dez. Cooper will be where he is supposed to be and will be open most of the time. Any QB would favor Cooper over Dez.

Of course every QB will favor an open WR. Still i critic Dak's talent not the WR.

Dak can have all the stats he wants. I watch the tape. And that does not show a good QB.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I was going to say... you could probably put together a very comparable 6 game stretch from Dez’s 2016 game logs, albeit not as many yards due to the flukish yard totals that Cooper himself couldn’t duplicate.
In truth, Dak’s perfect 2016 cocoon faded back into history and Dez got hurt, and that explained 2017.

You probably could, but if you look at Dez's best games, he had some very poor or at best average catch ratios.

 

[Lutonio]

100%, If Dez was healthy and with the Saints, we'd be in a very different position today. Dez needs accuracy period.

Maybe so. But then the question becomes does it even count if all it takes is getting a team with so many weapons that he ends up as the 3rd or 4th option for a hall of fame QB.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Of course every QB will favor an open WR. Still i critic Dak's talent not the WR.

Dak can have all the stats he wants. I watch the tape. And that does not show a good QB.

so you keep saying, but we keep winning. Not sure what you expect out of a 3rd year QB that is growing. Another laughable fan that thinks Tom Brady was great from the moment he stepped on the field. OR that Tom BRady is the way every QB needs to be.

Dak has a banged up Oline and only got a real receiver 5 games ago. HOrrid offensive coaching most of his 3 years. Run first offense. Dallas finally opened it up for Dak late and he has a play maker. You saw the results.

 

[CowboyRoy]

That is because it was Romo singlehandeldly carrying the team to 8-8 and couldn’t win because he never had an offensive line, defense, or running game. He had to draw up plays in the sand, run around like a chicken with his head cut off, and always make something out of nothing. The defense could never hold a 4th quarter lead so the only way Romo could win a game is by scoring on the last possession. If Romo were on any other team in the league except the one he was on, he easily wins multiple championships.

Agree with a lot of that but Romo had better receivers and TE's then Dak has now. Had a better Oline than we have now. A couple years that line was worse. The horrid Garrett is a constant so cant compare that.

Romo was the better QB no doubt, but I give Dak the nod in leadership. And Romo's game management was way off.

 

[Bleu Star]

Dak lacks the accurary and isn't able to make the throws Dez needed to be succesfull.

Cooper has the talent to be "college open". Daks needs this.

College Open..

 

[TwentyOne]

so you keep saying, but we keep winning. Not sure what you expect out of a 3rd year QB that is growing. Another laughable fan that thinks Tom Brady was great from the moment he stepped on the field. OR that Tom BRady is the way every QB needs to be.

Dak has a banged up Oline and only got a real receiver 5 games ago. HOrrid offensive coaching most of his 3 years. Run first offense. Dallas finally opened it up for Dak late and he has a play maker. You saw the results.

IMO DAk is not growing. He is what he is and he has a low celing.

He needs a first read offense. Cooper is a great pickup because he is able to get open on nearly every play. Dak needs that.

Dak is a QB who lives by the talent around him. He is not able to make people around him better. He needs players like Zeke, Cooper AND a great OL.

In the third year of a QB i expect to see substancial growth. Dak doesnt show that. IMO he already hit his limit. He hasnt got better with his pocket awarness. He still cant make a good sec read and his accuracy still is very average.

 

[InTheZone]

Looks like we can put another theory to rest. With Cooper coming in and having an almost instant rapport with Dak its clear that Dak wasn't the problem with Dez.

Dak still struggles to make throws beyond 5 yards, regardless of the WR.

Thread debunked

 

[MyFairLady]

Dez was a mental midget whose god like physical abilities had faded away. If he had the metal capacity of Cooper he would have broken football in his prime. We cast him to the curb just in time if not a bit too late. I am enjoying the crap out of watching Cooper behave like a professional and run routes that Bryant never even dreamed of. Team really do have to stop trying to play him one on one. It is starting to look silly. Zeke will be the beneficiary. The safety has to help over the top from now on. Safety help over the top on Bryant is something that has not been seen in over 4 years.

 

[CowboyRoy]

IMO DAk is not growing. He is what he is and he has a low celing.

He needs a first read offense. Cooper is a great pickup because he is able to get open on nearly every play. Dak needs that.

Dak is a QB who lives by the talent around him. He is not able to make people around him better. He needs players like Zeke, Cooper AND a great OL.

In the third year of a QB i expect to see substancial growth. Dak doesnt show that. IMO he already hit his limit. He hasnt got better with his pocket awarness. He still cant make a good sec read and his accuracy still is very average.

LOL..........Dak has had the worst line and worst pass catchers out of any of his 3 years. Guys like you simply dont understand the relationship between Oline play and QB play. Having someone to throw to. An offensive scheme and play calling.

You are a QB simpleton. But its OK, rest assured that people like me have a much better understanding and we are looking good going forward.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Dak still struggles to make throws beyond 5 yards, regardless of the WR.

Thread debunked

Like last game? Tough times for you trolls eh? 5 game win streak and Dak coming back like a complete stud last game? Reeling?

 

[Bleu Star]

Dez was a mental midget whose god like physical abilities had faded away. If he had the metal capacity of Cooper he would have broken football in his prime. We cast him to the curb just in time if not a bit too late. I am enjoying the crap out of watching Cooper behave like a professional and run routes that Bryant never even dreamed of. Team really do have to stop trying to play him one on one. It is starting to look silly. Zeke will be the beneficiary. The safety has to help over the top from now on. Safety help over the top on Bryant is something that has not been seen in over 4 years.

I just read the first sentence and had give you a like. I did read the rest but the first sentence was what I would refer to as Dez Legacy material.

 

[pansophy]

Dez just doesnt look open. And rarely was. Lacks separation, takes plays off, has a bad attitude, and is a moron. Basically throw the ball up and pray. Im actually happy that Dak isnt like that.

Except Dez played just 8 seasons and still managed to become the all-time leader in receiving TDs in Cowboy history, and that includes 2 seasons with Dak whom he could never get on the same page with.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Except Dez played just 8 seasons and still managed to become the all-time leader in receiving TDs in Cowboy history, and that includes 2 seasons with Dak whom he could never get on the same page with.

Dez had his time, but that time was up about 3 years ago. HE also had Romo that played with him for years. Dak coming in as a rookie and having to deal with a step slow, fading Dez was not a good situation.