Dak without Zeke

[PA Cowboy Fan]

We're going to see what kind of a team leader he is now.

 

[SDCowboy]

We're going to see what kind of a team leader he is now.

People keep saying this, and I wonder in what way people expect to see this. What would make him a better leader than we already know he is? Is it just winning games?

Between with the myriad of suspensions, the total question mark at D and the brutal schedule, we can very well lose some of these early games, and it has nothing to do with a lack of leadership.

Just like Romo, Dak can't cover for everything, and this season is set up to be a rough one.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

People keep saying this, and I wonder in what way people expect to see this. What would make him a better leader than we already know he is? Is it just winning games?

Between the myriad of suspensions, the total question mark at D and the brutal schedule, we can very well lose some of these early games, and it has nothing to do with a lack of leadership.

Just like Romo, Dak can't cover for everything, and this season is set up to be a rough one.

Yea I didn't mean it like that. I love Dak and glad he's our QB. I just mean we'll see how he can ignite this team during Elliott's absence. He has to do what Tony had to do for years. I guess that's onething that comes with being the qb of the Cowboys.

 

[chris1995]

Well, it looks like we may all see how much Zeke attributed to Dak's success if the 6 game suspension holds. I am one who thinks that the threat of Zeke had a huge effect on the ability of Dak to put up the numbers he did. I also think Dak played extremely well but many discount Zeke's effect on that. Even Troy and the 93 Cowboys could not win without Emmitt.

I think it could be a rough 6 games!

I hope not !

 

[SDCowboy]

Yea I didn't mean it like that. I love Dak and glad he's our QB. I just mean we'll see how he can ignite this team during Elliott's absence. He has to do what Tony had to do for years. I guess that's onething that comes with being the qb of the Cowboys.

Right, but what is the barometer of Dak igniting the team? Or leadership? Igniting the team doesn't magically overcome the issues this team is going to have early on.

Bottom line between the slew of suspensions (including one of our best players), a total unknown at defense, and the early schedule slate, this team is set up to likely lose those games, and if we do, that doesn't mean there is a lack of leadership or Dak hasn't progressed. Just like when we had relatively bad seasons with Romo. The QB can only do so much. Especially a second year one.

So when people say they want to see how Dak is progressing, if winning these games is the measurement, people may likely be looking at the wrong place.

 

[DC Cowboy]

Well, it looks like we may all see how much Zeke attributed to Dak's success if the 6 game suspension holds. I am one who thinks that the threat of Zeke had a huge effect on the ability of Dak to put up the numbers he did. I also think Dak played extremely well but many discount Zeke's effect on that. Even Troy and the 93 Cowboys could not win without Emmitt.

I think it could be a rough 6 games!

I am not refuting your point but we do pay Coordinators. Ok we don't have Zeke but we do have a good O line and 2 decent back ups. We have a decent/good receiving corp. SL time to earn your keep. Maybe go 3 WR sets, 2 Slot WR sets, whatever ....

I would be more worried if we lost Dak.

 

[cowboyblue22]

People keep saying this, and I wonder in what way people expect to see this. What would make him a better leader than we already know he is? Is it just winning games?

Between with the myriad of suspensions, the total question mark at D and the brutal schedule, we can very well lose some of these early games, and it has nothing to do with a lack of leadership.

Just like Romo, Dak can't cover for everything, and this season is set up to be a rough one.

you can also add the offensive line to this it could be really ugly the first few games of the season I suspect if things don't go well by the time zeke gets back it may pretty much be over with hope not but this thing with all the suspensions and the youth on defense and schedule and offensive line

 

[JJHLH1]

According to advanced analytics the suspension of Zeke for 6 games will likely cost us 2 wins. We are expected to go from 10 wins with Zeke to 8 wins without him.

 

[JohnsKey19]

Will Dak really be without Zeke? If so, i doubt it's in the 2017 season.

 

[beacamdim]

I agree. I think if the appeal to the league fails that this will go to Fed Court in Minn in front of Judge David Doty

Zele's only hope is almost certainly the appeal to the league (where I do think he has a reasonable chance to have the suspension reduced; I'd be shocked if it were eliminated altogether).

Minnesota won't matter. Even if Doty got the case, the law in the Eighth Circuit -- which would review any of Doty's desicions -- is not helpful to Zeke at all. How do we know this? From the Adrian Peterson case, where Doty's original ruling in favor of AP was rejected and reversed by the circuit court in favor of the league. In fact, the Eighth Circuit effectively agreed with the Second Circuit court ruling upholding the Brady suspension.

Bottom line, it won't matter where any lawsuit is filed, since any federal court is likely to uphold whatever comes out of the internal appeal Zeke will be filling this week.

"With the Second Circuit and Eighth Circuit enunciating this shared view, Goodell has likely ensured that he will prevail over any future player discipline matters that are brought to court. It is possible that a legal challenge involving an NFL player suspension could be raised in another federal circuit. Such a circuit, moreover, would only need to view the Brady and Peterson decisions as persuasive and not binding authority. Yet the two circuits that most often hear NFL disputes—the Second Circuit and Eighth Circuit—now have unmistakable precedent on their books that decisively champions Goodell’s authority."

More here: https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/08/04/adrian-peterson-appeals-court-suspension-roger-goodell-wins

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

Well, it looks like we may all see how much Zeke attributed to Dak's success if the 6 game suspension holds. I am one who thinks that the threat of Zeke had a huge effect on the ability of Dak to put up the numbers he did. I also think Dak played extremely well but many discount Zeke's effect on that. Even Troy and the 93 Cowboys could not win without Emmitt.

I think it could be a rough 6 games!

Rough for our opponents! Go Cowboys!

 

[aikemirv]

Zele's only hope is almost certainly the appeal to the league (where I do think he has a reasonable chance to have the suspension reduced; I'd be shocked if it were eliminated altogether).

Minnesota won't matter. Even if Doty got the case, the law in the Eighth Circuit -- which would review any of Doty's desicions -- is not helpful to Zeke at all. How do we know this? From the Adrian Peterson case, where Doty's original ruling in favor of AP was rejected and reversed by the circuit court in favor of the league. In fact, the Eighth Circuit effectively agreed with the Second Circuit court ruling upholding the Brady suspension.

Bottom line, it won't matter where any lawsuit is filed, since any federal court is likely to uphold whatever comes out of the internal appeal Zeke will be filling this week.

"With the Second Circuit and Eighth Circuit enunciating this shared view, Goodell has likely ensured that he will prevail over any future player discipline matters that are brought to court. It is possible that a legal challenge involving an NFL player suspension could be raised in another federal circuit. Such a circuit, moreover, would only need to view the Brady and Peterson decisions as persuasive and not binding authority. Yet the two circuits that most often hear NFL disputes—the Second Circuit and Eighth Circuit—now have unmistakable precedent on their books that decisively champions Goodell’s authority."

More here: https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/08/04/adrian-peterson-appeals-court-suspension-roger-goodell-wins

IMO Bradys case and AP's case are totally different. In both cases there was either evidence against the plantiffs (or in Brady's case - destruction of evidence) that they did what was accused. In Elliotts case, from what we have heard told, there is evidence that he did not do it, and that she was out to get him. Eyewitness evidence that contradicts her story as well. Also eyewitness evidence of the other way (bar fight) she got the bruises. If we know all the evidence, which I don't know that we do, Zeke has a case if we know all the facts. If the 6 games is for conduct detrimental, and if the preponderance of the evidence (required in a civil suit) is that there was no conduct detrimental, then I think he wins his appeal. That just makes too much sense! Innocent until proven guilty should prevail here - fundamental basis of our legal system!

 

[Doomsday101]

Zele's only hope is almost certainly the appeal to the league (where I do think he has a reasonable chance to have the suspension reduced; I'd be shocked if it were eliminated altogether).

Minnesota won't matter. Even if Doty got the case, the law in the Eighth Circuit -- which would review any of Doty's desicions -- is not helpful to Zeke at all. How do we know this? From the Adrian Peterson case, where Doty's original ruling in favor of AP was rejected and reversed by the circuit court in favor of the league. In fact, the Eighth Circuit effectively agreed with the Second Circuit court ruling upholding the Brady suspension.

Bottom line, it won't matter where any lawsuit is filed, since any federal court is likely to uphold whatever comes out of the internal appeal Zeke will be filling this week.

"With the Second Circuit and Eighth Circuit enunciating this shared view, Goodell has likely ensured that he will prevail over any future player discipline matters that are brought to court. It is possible that a legal challenge involving an NFL player suspension could be raised in another federal circuit. Such a circuit, moreover, would only need to view the Brady and Peterson decisions as persuasive and not binding authority. Yet the two circuits that most often hear NFL disputes—the Second Circuit and Eighth Circuit—now have unmistakable precedent on their books that decisively champions Goodell’s authority."

More here: https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/08/04/adrian-peterson-appeals-court-suspension-roger-goodell-wins

I disagree, Peterson was indicted by a grand jury and then plead no contest. In Zeke case he was never arrested and charges dismissed. This is nothing like Peterson or Brady breaking league rule of deflating a football. The case Zeke can bring has a whole different set of circumstances

 

[DFWJC]

Well, it looks like we may all see how much Zeke attributed to Dak's success if the 6 game suspension holds. I am one who thinks that the threat of Zeke had a huge effect on the ability of Dak to put up the numbers he did. I also think Dak played extremely well but many discount Zeke's effect on that. Even Troy and the 93 Cowboys could not win without Emmitt.

I think it could be a rough 6 games!

I think the threat of a good run game helps any QB.

The Dallas oline assures that the run game will still be a threat, just maybe not an A+ threat.

Dak will be fine.

Tney will have to face some serious defenses though. That was case anyway. The stuggled vs both the Giants and Vikings last year with Zeke.
Its a challenge Im sure they look firwatd to.

 

[roughneck266]

Well, it looks like we may all see how much Zeke attributed to Dak's success if the 6 game suspension holds. I am one who thinks that the threat of Zeke had a huge effect on the ability of Dak to put up the numbers he did. I also think Dak played extremely well but many discount Zeke's effect on that. Even Troy and the 93 Cowboys could not win without Emmitt.

I think it could be a rough 6 games!

Different league completely than back then. Also I dont think we had this depth at the position then. Pretty much all of the RB's have a hole or two in their game, but DMAC has run quite well behind this line before there was a Zeke, so I am not convinced he wont be able to hold the fort. I certainly dont believe that DMac is even close to Zeke's ability, but he can be worked with, just have to feature his skill set.

 

[aikemirv]

Different league completely than back then. Also I dont think we had this depth at the position then. Pretty much all of the RB's have a hole or two in their game, but DMAC has run quite well behind this line before there was a Zeke, so I am not convinced he wont be able to hold the fort. I certainly dont believe that DMac is even close to Zeke's ability, but he can be worked with, just have to feature his skill set.

This is my take. Defenses feared Zeke enough to change the way they played against him and made it much easier for Dak. Nobody fears Dmac or Morris and will play them straight up. The emphasis will go to taking stuff away from Dak....

 

[beacamdim]

I disagree, Peterson was indicted by a grand jury and then plead no contest. In Zeke case he was never arrested and charges dismissed. This is nothing like Peterson or Brady breaking league rule of deflating a football. The case Zeke can bring has a whole different set of circumstances

Trust me, the different circumstances do not matter in court.

As a matter of indisputable, iron-clad federal law that a court reviewing an arbitrator's decision must accept the arbitrator's factual and legal findings unless it can be shown that he acted outside the scope of his or her authority. Thus, the only relevant analysis does NOT involve the facts, but involves ONLY whether the arbitrator followed the rules that the parties originally agreed to.

Here, the rules are set forth under Article 46 of the CBA, and Elliott is bound by them as a member of the NFLPA.

Article 46 gives Goodell and the league almost unlimited freedom and authority to determine the facts and what penalty is imposed.

And every appellate court that has heard any challenge to the authority given to Goodell under Article 46 has reaffirmed that authority because the NFLPA agreed to voluntarily to give the commissioner the broad powers he has.

So at the end of the day, the distinctions that you point to will -- right or wrong, and whether you agree with it or not -- not help Zeke here if the matter goes to federal court,

As I said before, the place to argue those distinctions is on the appeal to the league, That is almost certainly the only place they could matter.

 

[Doomsday101]

Trust me, the different circumstances do not matter.

As a matter of indisputable, iron-clad federal law that a court reviewing an arbitrator's decision must accept the arbitrator's factual and legal findings unless it can be shown that he acted outside the scope of his or her authority. Thus, the only relevant analysis does NOT involve the facts, but involves ONLY whether the arbitrator followed the rules that the parties originally agreed to.

Here, the rules are set forth under Article 46 of the CBA, and Elliott is bound by them as a member of the NFLPA.

Article 46 gives Goodell and the league almost unlimited freedom and authority to determine the facts and what penalty is imposed.

And every appellate court that has heard any challenge to the authority given to Goodell under Article 46 has reaffirmed that authority because the NFLPA agreed to in voluntarily.

So at the end of the day, the distinctions that you point to will -- right or wrong, and whether you agree with it or not -- not help Zeke here if the matter goes to federal court,

As I said before, the place to argue those distinctions is on the appeal to the league, That is almost certainly the only place they could matter.

and they will be addressed in appeal with the league, however workers still have certain rights that can't be overlooked which is what the courts are for to protect peoples rights. CBA does not give the league all rights where they are able to do anything they choose. We will see how this plays out.

 

[Ranching]

Dak will be great, if they let him be. Run the offense through him and don't try to rely on back up running backs. He's a stud,Take the reigns off and let him go!

 

[roughneck266]

This is my take. Defenses feared Zeke enough to change the way they played against him and made it much easier for Dak. Nobody fears Dmac or Morris and will play them straight up. The emphasis will go to taking stuff away from Dak....

Exactly. And when they do, they better be able to get to him. He has a ton of other weapons. No way in hades they can cover all of them, and he can take off and run too.