Dak without Zeke

[beacamdim]

and they will be addressed in appeal with the league, however workers still have certain rights that can't be overlooked which is what the courts are for to protect peoples rights. CBA does not give the league all rights where they are able to do anything they choose. We will see how this plays out.

Ok. But read the SI article I linked above, which confirms what every labor lawyer knows, which is that "[t]he two most relevant federal laws, the Labor Management Relations Act and the Federal Arbitration Act, provide substantial discretion to arbitrators in reaching conclusions about facts and in applying the law."

This is why the federal labor law -- and arbitration law generally -- will almost certainly be of little help to Zeke.

He needs to make a strong case at the appeal, and hope that the league cuts the suspension back.

Because whatever the league decides on the appeal -- six games, no games, or something in between -- is almost certainly going to be rubber-stamped by the federal courts under the clear and unequivocal applicable legal precedent.

 

[SDCowboy]

Dak will be great, if they let him be. Run the offense through him and don't try to rely on back up running backs. He's a stud,Take the reigns off and let him go!

This! My biggest fear is if they still try and run the offense as if Zeke was in there. Without Zeke in there, the offense needs to run through Dak and be tailored towards that.

 

[Doomsday101]

Ok. But read the SI article I linked above, which confirms what every labor lawyer knows, which is that "[t]he two most relevant federal laws, the Labor Management Relations Act and the Federal Arbitration Act, provide substantial discretion to arbitrators in reaching conclusions about facts and in applying the law."

This is why the federal labor law -- and arbitration law generally -- will almost certainly be of little help to Zeke.

He needs to make a strong case at the appeal, and hope that the league cuts the suspension back.

Because whatever the league decides on the appeal -- six games, no games, or something in between -- is almost certainly going to be rubber-stamped by the federal courts under the clear and unequivocal applicable legal precedent.

I read it and understand it very well. We will see how this all plays out and in the end how far Jerry will be willing to go. Kraft had said after the Brady suspension that he regretted not suing the league. I wonder how Jerry will feel a man who taken on the NFL in federal court and won

 

[Everson24]

and the suspension may very well work to bring an "us against the world"/"backs against the wall"/"wounded animal" narrative the team can draw on for motivation and cohesiveness.

When has a Jason Garrett team ever done this? Until he does, I'm skeptical.

 

[AdamJT13]

These stats showing the relationship of Dak with Zeke and without are crap. Why would he have been without Zeke? Down and distance situations. Of course his stats will be worse on third and forever.

We ranked fifth in the NFL in yards per pass play last season. If we count only the pass plays when Elliott was not on the field, we would have ranked ... fifth in the NFL.

 

[casmith07]

We have two former Pro Bowlers backing up Zeke. They haven't suddenly forgotten how to play running back, especially McFadden, who ran for 1000 yards in 10 games with Weeden and Cassel "playing" quarterback and no Dez.

As @CATCH17 said, if anything will hurt us, it'll be the suspensions on the defensive side of the ball. If we come away above .500 for Zeke's suspension (which almost certainly will be reduced or at least stayed until next year), we'll be ready to steamroll the rest of the season.

 

[casmith07]

Heres the thing...

Zeke is a big loss but we're such a complete offense that we should be able to overcome Zeke's presence.


The defense is missing a ton of pieces due to suspension.



This may be an unpopular opinion but i'd rather have all of our defenders back then Zeke.

Me too. Especially David Irving and I'd honestly love to even have Randy Gregory as a 3rd down specialist.

 

[Hawkeye19]

When has a Jason Garrett team ever done this? Until he does, I'm skeptical.

#finishthefight lol

J/K... I hear you. What I would say is that Dak has a different vibe than Tony/Garrett-- and he is clearly got the respect and support of the players.

What Garret "talks", Dak can "walk" and inspire his teammates to stand together, focus on what they gotta do, and fight.

 

[TheKey]

We ranked fifth in the NFL in yards per pass play last season. If we count only the pass plays when Elliott was not on the field, we would have ranked ... fifth in the NFL.

The worldwide leader in sports has a QB rating stat with and without zeke on the field

 

[AdamJT13]

The worldwide leader in sports has a QB rating stat with and without zeke on the field

And has been mentioned, Elliott was usually on the field in situations when it is advantageous to pass (first and second down, moderate distance to go, red zone, etc.), and he left the field in many obvious passing situations (third-and-long, two-minute offense, etc.). Dak's stats were worse overall when Elliott was not on the field for several reasons -- including the fact that Elliott is an excellent receiver (11.3 YPC) and pass blocker, and because it is more difficult to pass in obvious passing situations. BUT Dak's stats were still very good in those situations -- 92.6 rating without Elliott, 94.6 rating on all third downs, 97.6 rating in the last two minutes, etc.

 

[Alexander]

I don't think there is any way it does not affect him negatively.

And that is not a slam on Prescott.

Elliott and the things he can do are that good and that much a part of what we do.

It is a lot like Aikman with no Emmitt Smith. We saw how that turned out.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

I don't think there is any way it does not affect him negatively.

And that is not a slam on Prescott.

Elliott and the things he can do are that good and that much a part of what we do.

It is a lot like Aikman with no Emmitt Smith. We saw how that turned out.

Not to take anything away from your point, but more often than not, it was Aikman missing time, not Emmitt. The years are adding up, but I cannot remember a single game Aikman played without Smith.

 

[Alexander]

Not to take anything away from your point, but more often than not, it was Aikman missing time, not Emmitt. The years are adding up, but I cannot remember a single game Aikman played without Smith.

The first two games with the holdout. They could not move the ball against the Commanders and Bills despite having the best OL in football.

You know, the same kind of situation we have now.

And Prescott is no Aikman. Bryant is no Irvin.

It only lasted two games but it was very bad in the way it affected the offense and it's ability to run the tempo of games.

Those defenses back in those days were not your stock dominant defense. There was a reason they got the nickname that never caught on, the "choke them until they turn blue" defense.

And this was with a very deep DL. And a vastly more talented D overall.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I'm guessing we'll see some offensive adjustment similar to West Coast...........variety of short passes to keep chain moving and ball coming out Dak hand a little faster.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

The first two games with the holdout. They could not move the ball against the Commanders and Bills despite having the best OL in football.

You know, the same kind of situation we have now.

And Prescott is no Aikman. Bryant is no Irvin.

I forgot those holdout games because I was going back looking at games missed to injury. Dallas was beaten badly by Washington in that '93 season opener minus Emmitt. But if I recall correctly, they should have beaten Buffalo but then-kicker Lin Elliott missed two field goals in a 13-10 loss.

Still, thanks for correcting my mistake.

 

[Alexander]

I forgot those holdout games because I was going back looking at games missed to injury. Dallas was beaten badly by Washington in that '93 season opener minus Emmitt. But if I recall correctly, they should have beaten Buffalo but then-kicker Lin Elliott missed two field goals in a 13-10 loss.

Still, thanks for correcting my mistake.

It was not really a mistake. I get why you posted that. Aikman had issues post-Emmitt Smith.

But in that era, aside from a Garrett miracle game, if Emmitt Smith was not out there, we had a hard time.

 

[Alexander]

This might be time to point out the still fresh 2015 idea that was profuse around here.

"Anyone can run behind this line".

Well, even in the two games with Romo, the offense looked wrong.

And I don't care that McFadden ran for a 1,000 yards.

When I have the best OL in football and slop at QB, I lean on the running game and that horse better get a 1,000 yards, which is not a great achievement any more.

It is not about raw production. It is about being effective at both phases of the offensive game, run and pass.

When you can kill someone either way, it creates doubt.

And it is pretty clear that McFadden is never going to be a player that takes over a game. In fact, he does not even create big plays any more.

That is what made Murray great in 2014. That is what made Elliott great last year.

They could bust huge plays.

McFadden leaves "meat on the bone". His lack of vision and feel for the zone game is the same now as it was when he was signed.

I know that imbecile Randle ruined the term for descriptive purposes, but it is true.

Morris also does the same, mainly because he lacks explosive qualities.

 

[TheKey]

And has been mentioned, Elliott was usually on the field in situations when it is advantageous to pass (first and second down, moderate distance to go, red zone, etc.), and he left the field in many obvious passing situations (third-and-long, two-minute offense, etc.). Dak's stats were worse overall when Elliott was not on the field for several reasons -- including the fact that Elliott is an excellent receiver (11.3 YPC) and pass blocker, and because it is more difficult to pass in obvious passing situations. BUT Dak's stats were still very good in those situations -- 92.6 rating without Elliott, 94.6 rating on all third downs, 97.6 rating in the last two minutes, etc.

Exactly, I believe that is what I already mentioned on this page, verbatim.

 

[haleyrules]

Different league completely than back then. Also I dont think we had this depth at the position then. Pretty much all of the RB's have a hole or two in their game, but DMAC has run quite well behind this line before there was a Zeke, so I am not convinced he wont be able to hold the fort. I certainly dont believe that DMac is even close to Zeke's ability, but he can be worked with, just have to feature his skill set.

Yeah. The club has enough depth to be successful on offense. The big loss will be the defense. The club really needs Elliott's clock eating ability to keep the young, probably average, defense off the field.

 

[Frozen700]

Good thing is, we won't find out this year.

What do you mean?