News: Dallas coach Jason Garrett says run-first mentality will remain

[jrumann59]

how many of Romo's passes went to RBs near the line of scrimmiage???????

 

[JoeBoBBY]

This is incredibly simple to see, but most people will gloss over that fact.

Well, remind exactly why they were winning games again?

 

[JoeBoBBY]

how many of Romo's passes went to RBs near the line of scrimmiage???????

So a pass attempt to a RB near the line of scrimmage is really a run, and one to cole beasly or witten or street in the first 5 yards from the LOS is a pass play?

In addtion, the OL plays the same way in both scenarios. Whether is a run or a pass near the LOS?

 

[AzorAhai]

Well, remind exactly why they were winning games again?

Can you rephrase the question?

 

[Doomsday101]

So a pass attempt to a RB near the line of scrimmage is really a run, and one to cole beasly or witten or street in the first 5 yards from the LOS is a pass play?

In addtion, the OL plays the same way in both scenarios. Whether is a run or a pass near the LOS?

Is a pitch out to a RB a run? I expect Dallas to run but not just run x number of times to say we ran the ball but be effective running. The run game worked very well last year but dealing with 2nd and 6 it a little different than dealing with 2nd and 8. The swing passes out to RB in the eyes of many HC is an extension of the run. I firmly believe the Cowboys will continue to try and run the ball but the RB must make it happen for it to be successful part of the offense.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Can you rephrase the question?

ummmm. okay

What was the biggest reason, in your opinion, for the 12 wins last year?

 

[jrumann59]

So a pass attempt to a RB near the line of scrimmage is really a run, and one to cole beasly or witten or street in the first 5 yards from the LOS is a pass play?

In addtion, the OL plays the same way in both scenarios. Whether is a run or a pass near the LOS?

A dump pass or screen to RB near the line of scrimmage is more like a draw play. Making a team dedicate a player to watch RB out of the back field is just as good as having a team commit 8 men to the box to stop a run play so you can pass.

 

[Kevinicus]

Actaully they were down in many games and continued to run. And being down 10 points isnt exactly cause to abandon the run!!

They didn't abandon it until it was late. And when you're down by 10 late...it absolutely is cause.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Is a pitch out to a RB a run? I expect Dallas to run but not just run x number of times to say we ran the ball but be effective running. The run game worked very well last year but dealing with 2nd and 6 it a little different than dealing with 2nd and 8. The swing passes out to RB in the eyes of many HC is an extension of the run. I firmly believe the Cowboys will continue to try and run the ball but the RB must make it happen for it to be successful part of the offense.

First. yes. a pitch out is still a run. And I get your point. I would be inclined to say that a pitch out is a different way to hand off.

In high school, Our QB would take the hike, pitch the ball behind his back, while he was running forward, and without looking, to the RB; then run into the hole to be second lead blocker behind the FB.

I would submit that a picth play is completley different then a play whihc requires the OL to account for the QB, standing in the pocket and throwing the ball to a RB.

I also think, alllowing the OL to attack instead of defend/react will allow the big boys(first rounders) to......... "get going"......

And I get it. If we cant run successfully....thenwe have to pass and dink and dunk. Which means to me......................we screwed up big time. Becuase we could last year. We could run the ball.

I think these guys can do it. Just stick with it...

 

[JoeBoBBY]

A dump pass or screen to RB near the line of scrimmage is more like a draw play. Making a team dedicate a player to watch RB out of the back field is just as good as having a team commit 8 men to the box to stop a run play so you can pass.

And thats where I respectfully disagree. The manner which we are demanding that 8th man, is different and prone to more mistakes...

 

[AzorAhai]

ummmm. okay

What was the biggest reason, in your opinion, for the 12 wins last year?

Ball control and timely TO's. I'm not saying they shouldn't be a run team. Just that people pointing to records with 40+ passes can be misleading. Its hard to be balanced when you're behind. If they start utilizing more short passes to RBs to control TOP, I'm fine with that. At the end of the season, it will probably be the WRs who's numbers go down more than the RBs.

 

[Doomsday101]

First. yes. a pitch out is still a run. And I get your point. I would be inclined to say that a pitch out is a different way to hand off.

In high school, Our QB would take the hike, pitch the ball behind his back, while he was running forward, and without looking, to the RB; then run into the hole to be second lead blocker behind the FB.

I would submit that a picth play is completley different then a play whihc requires the OL to account for the QB, standing in the pocket and throwing the ball to a RB.

I also think, alllowing the OL to attack instead of defend/react will allow the big boys(first rounders) to......... "get going"......

And I get it. If we cant run successfully....thenwe have to pass and dink and dunk. Which means to me......................we screwed up big time. Becuase we could last year. We could run the ball.

I think these guys can do it. Just stick with it...

I think Dallas will run as much as they can but it has to be effective. As important as the run can be in keeping down and distance in your favor it can also hurt you if your are stuck in long yardage situations. I don't think Dallas will run as much as last year but I do think they will continue to establish a good run game and use other means to get the ball into the hands of the RB.

 

[DFWJC]

The "run-first" headline is deceiving.

He even says we'll pass more than run, but just not over 55% of the plays on average.
A 53-47 mix would be about right; still running way more than many teams and keeping a decent balance.

 

[jrumann59]

And thats where I respectfully disagree. The manner which we are demanding that 8th man, is different and prone to more mistakes...

If a man gets dedicated to watching for RB it means more 1 on 1 on the other receivers. Throwing to RBs near the line exploits holes in the defense usually in the flat and between the DL and LB.

 

[AzorAhai]

The "run-first" headline is deceiving.

He even says we'll pass more than run, but just not over 55% of the plays on average.
A 53-47 mix would be about right; still running way more than many teams and keeping a decent balance.

And if they are throwing little check down passes to RBs 8-10 times a game that is essentially an extremely run heavy team.

 

[AdamJT13]

What was the biggest reason, in your opinion, for the 12 wins last year?

Passing more effectively than our opponent in those 12 games (and in the playoff game against the Lions).

In fact, the team that has passed more effectively has won the past 23 games we have played. We are 15-0 when we have passed more effectively than our opponent and 0-8 when we have not. (The team with the higher yards per rush is 11-12 in those games.)

League-wide, the teams that passed more effectively went 16-0 in Week 1. (The teams with the higher yards per rush went 7-9.)

It's obvious what wins in the NFL.

 

[50cent]

Sigh. When you throw 40+ passes, it's usually because you're playing from behind. When you run 30+ times, it's usually because you're NOT playing from behind.

Yes, the Cowboys want to be a run-first team. But the 2014 Cowboys were able to maintain their run-first identity because they were winning games, not the other way around.

The Rams game begs to differ. We were down 21, stayed with the run and won easily. Not every team runs when they are uP. We ran while up, down or tied and stayed committed to having the run game.establish the lead to salt away and not.your mythological way of passing to get a lead and run Murray all 4th qtr. Didn't work like that.

 

[50cent]

They didn't abandon it until it was late. And when you're down by 10 late...it absolutely is cause.

We were down 3/going into the 4th, withthe ball and ran it 0 times in the 4th. A 3 point deficit isn't enough to say we were trailing and HAD TO THROW! We abandoned the run completely. That 2 minute offense stuff is deflecting cause one 2 minute series was 1/play but they make it seem like it was a 130 possession. They messed up an now everyone including Jerry is going with the company line of 4- two minute possessions. Its bull.

 

[Little Jr]

Actaully they were down in many games and continued to run. And being down 10 points isnt exactly cause to abandon the run!!

Being down hub10 with less than 8 min is a great reason to abandon the run

 

[HoustonSucks]

I hope it remains in the redzone. Why we abandoned the run on the first drive once we hit the redzone floors me. I love empty backfield in the 20s, but when you're in the redzone you are allowing the defense heavy advantage. At least pass with with a backfield.

That's what concerned me the most in that game, TBH.