Dallas Cowboys’ Kelvin Joseph is a person of interest in Dallas murder investigation

[DandyDon52]

here's a twist. What if said gun is KJ's? My fear is exactly THAT.

i doubt he would claim to be unarmed, and the gun was his lol.
There is no telling how this will turn out.

One thing I dont understand is the mindset of people who think it is ok to shoot other people, just cause they made you mad lol.
I grew up with guns, and never once even thought of shooting someone because I didnt like them or was mad at them etc.

 

[Parcells4Life]

I agree that the Cowboys should do the right thing and cut him. He only came forward because he had to. As far as whether he's trash or not? Since I wasn't there and don't know what actually occurred I hesitate to apply that term to him. It doesn't look good. Given what we know, the Cowboys should absolutely cut him.

You’re in the car when a murder happens makes him at least an assessory

 

[Parcells4Life]

-Kelvin if he’s LUCKY is getting suspended
-Randy spent the majority of his career suspended
-Jaylon got cut by us, GB, NYG all this year
-Hill is awful
-Connor Williams was the most penalized player in the league because hes too weak and has to hold
-Chido doesn’t suck but he didn’t live up to a second rounder in Dallas
-Did Escobar even have 25 catches for us?

Nothing drama queen about it. We suck in the second round and it’s costly

Don’t forget Sean Lee!

 

[Parcells4Life]

There is no reason to argue over the semantics… his days as a Cowboy and NFL player are done for at least two years. Some team may take a chance after the legal process takes place in two years but he is done as a Cowboys.. this isn’t something you overcome personally in a year or two.

Now obviously not everyone that has character concerns out of college commits these kinds of crimes but rarely does a player who has character concerns get better once they join the league without having some huge “my career is about to be over moment”.

Guys think since they got drafted the stuff they do is fine as long as they can play. Unless your Tyreke Hill or Adrian Peterson, you better change quick.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Puro pedo!

No, I did not say Debora Weiner. That is your sis.
I referred to Debra Winger.
Ya, for reals.

 

[Scotman]

I had a few people blast me last year when I said that I didn't like the red flags attached to this kid. It sure is starting to look like the red flags actually indicated real issues. I still hope they don't, but it looks worse and worse all the time.

 

[dagreat1_87]

i've been slow to catch up but i'm pretty much seeing that Joseph decided to risk his career and millions over the "no snitching" rule. I can't speak for other backgrounds but coming from the black community, i've seen so much crap get ignored and swept under the rug because people don't even know the true definition of what a snitch really is. if he really was there and knew about a murder and didn't say crap, he needs to be cut immediately.

 

[America's Cowboy]

No, I did not say Debora Weiner. That is your sis.
I referred to Debra Winger.
Ya, for reals.

You keep bringing it up. Te gusta el Weiner, eh?

 

[gimmesix]

You’re in the car when a murder happens makes him at least an assessory

From a legal standpoint, just being there does not make him an accessory. If he did anything to encourage, aid or assist with the crime, he could be an accessory. However, he'd have to have contributed in one of those ways.

Concealment of a crime also can make you an accessory. He knew about it and did not report it, so that doesn't work in his favor. Fully cooperating with the investigation, if he does that, can keep the prosecutor from pursuing that charge, even with him not coming forward earlier.

Texas' laws on aiding and abetting seem pretty stout, though, so Joseph better help the police as much as he possibly can to try to avoid charges.

Texas Penal Code Chapter 7 holds an individual liable for criminal actions committed by someone else. Texas aiding and abetting laws diminish or abolish the difference between the principal criminal actor and the accomplice.

For example, if you provide another person with a gun knowing that he or she plans to use it in the commission of a robbery, you risk being charged with an act of robbery once it occurs.

Aiding and abetting another party’s commission of a crime might include:

• Failure to make a reasonable effort to prevent another person from committing a criminal act
• Failure to report the commission of a crime under “mandatory reporter status” (or alert law enforcement to a potential commission of a crime)
• Agreeing to purchase a firearm for another party to use in the commission of a crime
• Providing aid to another person who desires to engage in the commission of a crime
• Aiding another party in the commission of a crime
• Attempting to help another person in the commission of a crime
• Directing another party to commit a crime
• Encouraging another person to commit a crime
• Soliciting another party to commit a criminal act

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

You keep bringing it up. Te gusta el Weiner, eh?

Only when you engage it in those 3-minute swedish videos.
Man, you is gangstah lizard!
Props, Midnight Cowboy

 

[Blitzen]

The only way this doesn't end well for him is if he's the guy who shot the gun.

Too many on the board don’t respect the innocent till proven guilty message that the Justice department hinges upon. If a person cannot be proven guilty then that means Cowboys fans should go to bat for the guy and forget about this incident.

Cowboys fans should remember how hard it is to find good cover corners. Not knowing all the facts of the case means it’s best to assume the best case scenario for the player in question (especially if they play for the team you root for and especially if they were highly drafted).

I mean, even if he did the shooting but could not be proven guilty. Let bygones be bygones.

 

[DanA]

The NFL will suspend him, he’ll lose his guaranteed money and Cowboys will cut him.

I’m pretty sure that’s a black Escalade in the video costs like 100k. I reckon it’s very likely to be Joseph’s car, he might not have been the shooter, but good chance he was the driver.

 

[plymkr]

hmm..never thought of that. May be.

My idea was debunked once the Cowboys announced they were "blindsided " by all this. So now we have 2 mysteries to solve, who was the trigger man and why do we have so much unspent cap space.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

You keep bringing it up. Te gusta el Weiner, eh?

And when la tua joins us.

 

[SoBlue128]

i doubt he would claim to be unarmed, and the gun was his lol.
There is no telling how this will turn out.

One thing I dont understand is the mindset of people who think it is ok to shoot other people, just cause they made you mad lol.
I grew up with guns, and never once even thought of shooting someone because I didnt like them or was mad at them etc.

Maybe because you have morals to go along with compassion for other humans as well as an understanding of how we each only get one life making it ever so precious.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I do not believe Joseph pulled the trigger.

But central is, to what degree in a homicide was Joseph's involvement?
Why did Joseph not come forward since March 18?
Was he concealing evidence a la Ray Lewis?

Hollah

 

[DanA]

Too many on the board don’t respect the innocent till proven guilty message that the Justice department hinges upon. If a person cannot be proven guilty then that means Cowboys fans should go to bat for the guy and forget about this incident.

Cowboys fans should remember how hard it is to find good cover corners. Not knowing all the facts of the case means it’s best to assume the best case scenario for the player in question (especially if they play for the team you root for and especially if they were highly drafted).

I mean, even if he did the shooting but could not be proven guilty. Let bygones be bygones.

Nah..there’s no bygones be bygones here. There’s a video of him scraping, the shooting is on camera, and his lawyer has said he was in the car.

The first thing is that the NFL rules are written around “bringing the game into disrepute” and don’t require a conviction…he’s done.

The second thing is that I don’t need to adhere to innocent until proven guilty, nor does anybody on this board. We aren’t a court of law.

 

[Szczepanik]

You dont want this type of human being with these types of morales on any team. Get rid of him.

 

[plymkr]

I mean, even if he did the shooting but could not be proven guilty. Let bygones be bygones

I'll let bygones be bygones if Cameron Ray comes back to life. I could careless how rare cover corners are in the NFL. Cameron Ray's life is more rare than a cover corner.

 

[Blitzen]

Nah..there’s no bygones be bygones here. There’s a video of him scraping, the shooting is on camera, and his lawyer has said he was in the car.

The first thing is that the NFL rules are written around “bringing the game into disrepute” and don’t require a conviction…he’s done.

The second thing is that I don’t need to adhere to innocent until proven guilty, nor does anybody on this board. We aren’t a court of law.

Strongly disagree. Cowboys fans should prioritize protecting the teams players (as long as they have a good amount of talent AND youth AND draft pedigree). Doesn’t hurt that the guy gets a bad rap for enjoying music and being misunderstood-redemption stories are great for marketing purposes.