Dallas Cowboys 'Quarterback School': Trey Lance

TwistedL0g1k said:
I agree that it is exceptionally difficult to find an elite QB. Even a high first round pick is no guarantee.

The thing is, once the realization is made that Dak is incapable of winning a championship, then there is nothing to lose by moving on in an attempt to find a better QB.

Has that realization been made? That's up for debate obviously.

Worse QB's than Dak have won it all, but it is exceptionally unlikely.
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The list of QB's that have reached (not necessarily won, but reached) the Super Bowl include the likes of Stan Humphries, Neil O'Donnell, Chris Chandler, Kerry Collins, Trent Dilfer, Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselbeck, Rex Grossman, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Cam Newton, Nick Foles, and Jimmy Garropolo. History proves a "lesser" QB making it to the big one is not as unlikely as it seems.

The notion that the Cowboys and Dak are "incapable" of winning a championship is pure speculation; because with proper coaching and scheme he's certainly capable. The guys I just listed prove it.
 
CT Dal Fan said:
The list of QB's that have reached (not necessarily won, but reached) the Super Bowl include the likes of Stan Humphries, Neil O'Donnell, Chris Chandler, Kerry Collins, Trent Dilfer, Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselbeck, Rex Grossman, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Cam Newton, Nick Foles, and Jimmy Garropolo. History proves a "lesser" QB making it to the big one is not as unlikely as it seems.

The notion that the Cowboys and Dak are "incapable" of winning a championship is pure speculation; because with proper coaching and scheme he's certainly capable. The guys I just listed prove it.
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The problem is Dak needs to be carried and he gets paid to be a guy that’s capable of carrying when he’s clearly not that guy.


That’s the problem.
 
CT Dal Fan said:
The list of QB's that have reached (not necessarily won, but reached) the Super Bowl include the likes of Stan Humphries, Neil O'Donnell, Chris Chandler, Kerry Collins, Trent Dilfer, Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselbeck, Rex Grossman, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Cam Newton, Nick Foles, and Jimmy Garropolo. History proves a "lesser" QB making it to the big one is not as unlikely as it seems.

The notion that the Cowboys and Dak are "incapable" of winning a championship is pure speculation; because with proper coaching and scheme he's certainly capable. The guys I just listed prove it.
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Well the goal is to win the Super-Bowl, right?

Look at a list of the Super-Bowl winning QB's over the last 2-3 decades, and look at where they were drafted. The facts are clear.

I never said that Dak was "incapable" of winning a championship (in fact, I specifically said the exact opposite). It is very unlikely though, as Super-Bowls are almost always won by elite QB's.
 
Lance always need more development, unfortunately, he was overdrafts and expectations of greatness was placed on him. That being said, I like Trey is getting a chance to sit back and learn. Who knows how he turns out for Dallas, but I wish the young man the best.
 
RodeoJake said:
Good grief. Hoping Lance turns out better ain't delusional. It's just a hope. If he does, great. If he doesn't, that's okay too. It's no different than hoping a rook steps in and is better than the current starter. It's how teams improve.
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Actually no when you said turns out to be better you're saying Prescott's not great you're saying you're disappointed and you think he's some average quarterback who plays above average sometimes I can read between the lines Lance will probably never be as good as Prescott you can only hope that he maybe can get as good but you're discounting Prescott that's the problem... Top ten quarterbacks did not grow on trees..
 
CT Dal Fan said:
I love how fans think the Cowboys can just go out and get another Mahomes every year. There's a much better chance they end up with a Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, Zach Wilson, or Justin Fields.

Like someone else said here: be careful what you wish for.
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blueblood70 said:
Actually no when you said turns out to be better you're saying Prescott's not great you're saying you're disappointed and you think he's some average quarterback who plays above average sometimes I can read between the lines Lance will probably never be as good as Prescott you can only hope that he maybe can get as good but you're discounting Prescott that's the problem... Top ten quarterbacks did not grow on trees..
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Because dak has led us to a place no other qb could. EvER.
 
CT Dal Fan said:
I love how fans think the Cowboys can just go out and get another Mahomes every year. There's a much better chance they end up with a Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, Zach Wilson, or Justin Fields.

Like someone else said here: be careful what you wish for.
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Starting next season would you pay Darnold, Wilson, Mayfield or Fields 55 million APY to be our QB? Would you be happy with Kirk Cousins starting next year for the Cowboys at 55 million a year? Would you want Justin Herbert on his current contract?

I feel this thread and this debate gets too focused on is Dak a good QB or not. Or is Trey going to be better than Dak. That’s not question that needs to be answered. The question IMO that needs to be answered is will our football team be better with a 50-55 million dollar QB? If the answer is yes then that turns into 2 other questions.

Is the 50-55 million dollar man a game changer?
Is the 50-55 million dollar man a big game player?

So far in the last 7 seasons Dak has shown that he is neither. So 50-55 million is not wise.
 
Lance will get his chance in 2024, as he should. Jerry and Stephen wouldn't have made the trade for Lance unless there was some intention of seeing what he can do at some point. If they just wanted a young QB to develop as Dak's backup, there were plenty of late round/undrafted QBs they could have brought in instead.
 
SteveTheCowboy said:
Because everything has worked out so well....we should be very wary NOW.

Dude.... come on
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You feeling ok Steve? Usually, the slightest hint at any criticism for Dak meets with steely resolve and passive aggressive insults from you. Now you are going passive aggressive on guys who question those that want to replace Dak with someone who reads the field on an elementary level?

I'm worried bro.
 
plymkr said:
Starting next season would you pay Darnold, Wilson, Mayfield or Fields 55 million APY to be our QB? Would you be happy with Kirk Cousins starting next year for the Cowboys at 55 million a year? Would you want Justin Herbert on his current contract?

I feel this thread and this debate gets too focused on is Dak a good QB or not. Or is Trey going to be better than Dak. That’s not question that needs to be answered. The question IMO that needs to be answered is will our football team be better with a 50-55 million dollar QB? If the answer is yes then that turns into 2 other questions.

Is the 50-55 million dollar man a game changer?
Is the 50-55 million dollar man a big game player?

So far in the last 7 seasons Dak has shown that he is neither. So 50-55 million is not wise.
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Fair enough but this is market value for a starting quarterback these days. Agents aren't going to let their clients sign for less.

And the 50-55 million dollar figure everyone throws around on this board is NOT Dak's actual cap hit. There are actually two "ghost" years added to his contract that allow the Cowboys to dump a lot of his money into 2025 and 2026 in order to make his cap charge all the more tenable. And with the cap always on the increase, Dak's cost is not nearly as much as what the face value of his contract makes it look like.

One of the easiest anti-Dak moves is to point at his contract and claim it's hurting the team. They say he makes too much and it's affecting the rest of the roster. So how many teams have won Super Bowls in the salary cap era with a QB playing on the cheap or on his rookie deal??

The Cowboys had over $20 million of cap space last offseason and basically sat on it instead of spending. They can extend and/or restructure Dak's deal next year and have just as much money again. To say Dak's contract is hurting the team is false. We can certainly debate whether or not he's worth that much money of course, but that's about the extent of it.
 
CT Dal Fan said:
Fair enough but this is market value for a starting quarterback these days. Agents aren't going to let their clients sign for less.

And the 50-55 million dollar figure everyone throws around on this board is NOT Dak's actual cap hit. There are actually two "ghost" years added to his contract that allow the Cowboys to dump a lot of his money into 2025 and 2026 in order to make his cap charge all the more tenable. And with the cap always on the increase, Dak's cost is not nearly as much as what the face value of his contract makes it look like.

One of the easiest anti-Dak moves is to point at his contract and claim it's hurting the team. They say he makes too much and it's affecting the rest of the roster. So how many teams have won Super Bowls in the salary cap era with a QB playing on the cheap or on his rookie deal??

The Cowboys had over $20 million of cap space last offseason and basically sat on it instead of spending. They can extend and/or restructure Dak's deal next year and have just as much money again. To say Dak's contract is hurting the team is false. We can certainly debate whether or not he's worth that much money of course, but that's about the extent of it.
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Good post. I don’t disagree with anything you say. I think you summed it up perfectly with we can debate if he’s worth the money. I think that’s a big part of the Dak debate. I also want to add is Dak getting better as a QB or regressing. In the beginning I lived Dak. I was mad that Romo was out but Dak was pretty solid. Dak stayed solid for a couple seasons. Now I feel Dak is no longer solid but average to below average. I feel a big piece of the debate is do we extend him with his play being stagnant or arguably regressing?
 
shabazz said:
Agree. This team will never have success with any other quarterback.

We've been blessed by the almighty, but sadly some here don't appreciate it
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yeah, we just need better players to carry him. I hope Jerry finds the best players he can get after paying dak.
 
diamonddelts said:
You feeling ok Steve? Usually, the slightest hint at any criticism for Dak meets with steely resolve and passive aggressive insults from you. Now you are going passive aggressive on guys who question those that want to replace Dak with someone who reads the field on an elementary level?

I'm worried bro.
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You are the one that seems overly sensitive
You good?
 
CT Dal Fan said:
I love how fans think the Cowboys can just go out and get another Mahomes every year. There's a much better chance they end up with a Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, Zach Wilson, or Justin Fields.

Like someone else said here: be careful what you wish for.
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Um...you have to actually draft a qb to find out.
 
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