Dallas Cowboys Rumor: Would Signing Ray Rice Be The Right Move For Big D?

[KJJ]

Yeah, I think what's happening is the you're seeing a broad range of opinions on the topic and then reacting to a small minority subset and projecting it for whatever reason.

What I see is a community that understands RB is a big question mark that we're trying to fill with several players who each have some flaws. They also each have some possibilities, so it should be no surprise to see hopeful posts alongside some skeptical ones.

I've never put a ton of stock in RBs, either way. I just want a healthy position group who can pass protect and not fumble.

We see the board differently due to me being a regular fan and you having to moderate it. The majority of opinions here are that the OL will make the backs the Cowboys have productive. Many here don't understand the RB position because most are trying to convince themselves that the OL matters more than the back. They feel a great OL can turn just about any back into a productive runner. This is why many didn't want to pay Murray most have convinced themselves a lot of backs could do what he did last season behind the OL.

 

[Idgit]

We see the board differently due to me being a regular fan and you having to moderate it. The majority of opinions here are that the OL will make the backs the Cowboys have productive. Many here don't understand the RB position because most are trying to convince themselves that the OL matters more than the back. They feel a great OL can turn just about any back into a productive runner. This is why many didn't want to pay Murray most have convinced themselves a lot of backs could do what he did last season behind the OL.

There are two different issues there. I don't think there's any doubt that a good run blocking OL makes rushing easier for the backs. And I agree that ours is likely to make whichever backs we end up with (not just anybody, but whichever back actually wins a spot in our rotation). That's a far cray from suggesting that a lot of backs can do what Murray did last year. What Murray did last year in terms of the volume of consistent production was rare. We weren't getting that again this season, in my opinion, no matter what we did at RB.

That doesn't mean I expect our offense to be less productive overall, though.

 

[AzCowboysFan]

I don't care about Rice's (or anyone elses) off the field issues. If he can still ball, then get him. That is a big IF.
If Arron Hernandez could get a work release, I would consider him.
I'm not looking for saints, I'm looking for production on the field. Haters are gonna hate the Cowboys no matter what.

 

[KJJ]

The large group of fans that posts on CowboysZone are like any group of NFL fans on any forum on the WWW. A majority will look for the positives with everything their team does. They always hope for the best and see the upside in most of the situations and personnel moves. Some have a much more negative slant and criticize most of the moves their team made. Some are able to be pretty unbiased as they look at things and will see some moves as good and some as bad.

I have been on rival teams forums and it is much easier to see things clearly and see their moves for what they are. When you're emotionally invested in a team, I think a lot of people can't see things objectively. It is human nature.

I've noticed on the Commanders board that I visit sometimes how a player is great until he gets cut or traded and then, suddenly, he isn't worth a crap. The truth will typically lie in the middle. Jason Hatcher wasn't worth a crap until the Skins picked him up as a FA... then, suddenly he became a good player that Commander fans admired but didn't like in Dallas... and now they're glad he brought his considerable skills to Washington.

Every teams fans wanted Collins before he signed, and then after coming to Dallas, all the fans around the league started seeing why he really wasn't that talented and they're glad their team didn't waste their time with him, lol. Giants fans in particular decided quickly that Collins would have had zero chance to start on their talented OL.

It can be humorous really.

I bet if we looked at any of the 31 other team's message boards, we could find the evil twin of most of the posters here. There would be guys like us that we could classify just like we do many of the members here: They would have logical fans, emotional fans, "realistic" fans, Homers, negative Nancies, sock puppet trolls, etc.

To expect anything else on any NFL fan forum would be unreasonable.

The sentiment here is the same as on every Cowboys board. Everyone looks for the good and many try and turn what appears to be a negative into a positive. Murray is gone so the spin here is we're better off without him instead of the yards and TD's he produced last season the focus has been on his lack of speed, vision and his fumbles. Murray was looked at as a negative mostly because of the price tag to keep him. There's a lot of negatives with McFadden more than you can count but because he came cheap many see positives with him. When something is expensive the tendency is to look for all the reasons not to purchase it and look for something cheaper. A cheaper item might not be near the quality but because it's a lot cheaper some will find something good in it.

Some here are still trying to convince themselves the Cowboys can get the same performance that Murray provided with the backs they have. Some have had to go back to watching highlights of McFadden's days at Arkansas to get excited about him and it's worked for some. lol All team boards consist of a majority of FANS with a few realists and so called nancies sprinkled in. FAN boards wouldn't exist if it wasn't for FANS. I checked out a Philly board once and I've seen the evil twin of posters here. Although all team boards are loaded with FANS I don't believe there's a more delusional FAN base than what the Cowboys have. No FAN base hates hearing the truth like Cowboy FANS.

 

[KJJ]

There are two different issues there. I don't think there's any doubt that a good run blocking OL makes rushing easier for the backs. And I agree that ours is likely to make whichever backs we end up with (not just anybody, but whichever back actually wins a spot in our rotation). That's a far cray from suggesting that a lot of backs can do what Murray did last year. What Murray did last year in terms of the volume of consistent production was rare. We weren't getting that again this season, in my opinion, no matter what we did at RB.

That doesn't mean I expect our offense to be less productive overall, though.

A lot FANS have suggested that any good back could have done what Murray did last season and I find it hard to believe I'm the only one that's seen this. Some suggested Randle could have done what Murray did which prompted Michael Irvin to say that if Randle or Dunbar could have done what Murray was doing they would have been out there and the Cowboys wouldn't have fed Murray the ball almost 400 times. From everything I've heard from Jerry he's banking more on the talent he has on the OL than the talent he has at RB. I think the Cowboys will be able to run the ball but I don't think they'll run it as efficiently or as effectively in tough yardage situations. Last season Romo had a career low in attempts in which he played at least 15 games I expect him to be closer to 500 attempts in 2015. We just have to hope it's not a lot more than 500 attempts.

 

[KJJ]

His name hasn't been brought up once from Valley Ranch or anyone associated with it, the only ones bringing it up are these FANS you keep mentioning. Or journalists who need to meet a click quota.

That's what I said it's FANS who keep mentioning Rice and a few in the media. The Cowboys aren't going to do anything at RB unless they're not seeing any production during the preseason or an injury occurs. That's when panic will set in and they might attempt t make a trade or hope for a decent back to be cut. If the running game doesn't look good in preseason there's going to be some real concern not just from the FAN base but from the team.

 

[AsthmaField]

The sentiment here is the same as on every Cowboys board. Everyone looks for the good and many try and turn what appears to be a negative into a positive. Murray is gone so the spin here is we're better off without him instead of the yards and TD's he produced last season the focus has been on his lack of speed, vision and his fumbles. Murray was looked at as a negative mostly because of the price tag to keep him. There's a lot of negatives with McFadden more than you can count but because he came cheap many see positives with him. When something is expensive the tendency is to look for all the reasons not to purchase it and look for something cheaper. A cheaper item might not be near the quality but because it's a lot cheaper some will find something good in it.

Some here are still trying to convince themselves the Cowboys can get the same performance that Murray provided with the backs they have. Some have had to go back to watching highlights of McFadden's days at Arkansas to get excited about him and it's worked for some. lol All team boards consist of a majority of FANS with a few realists and so called nancies sprinkled in. FAN boards wouldn't exist if it wasn't for FANS. I checked out a Philly board once and I've seen the evil twin of posters here. Although all team boards are loaded with FANS I don't believe there's a more delusional FAN base than what the Cowboys have. No FAN base hates hearing the truth like Cowboy FANS.

I think that if you spent as much time telling other fans that their players suck as you do the Cowboy fans... you would see that other fan bases hate the truth just as much. Just my opinion though.

I don't really think that Cowboys fans are any more delusional than any other fan fan base (maybe just more Dallas fans overall)... but we're splitting hairs here. Many fans don't see things with an unbiased eye, so for all intents and purposes, we are in agreement on that.

Speaking for myself, I don't hold out much hope for McFadden to be much of anything except maybe catching some passes out of the backfield. It isn't a pickup that I was happy with.

Randle, I do think is going to be pretty good, so maybe I'm more upbeat about him that you are... but I do worry about his dumb *** gene becoming a dominant trait. I suppose we'll just have to hope for the best on that. Physically, the guy is pretty talented and could go a long way towards making the fan base feel better in a hurry about the run game.

Ryan Williams has some talent but hasn't been able to stay healthy. Dunbar is meh, to me, so... Overall, I think the RB position is a big question mark at this point. I do have hope that Randle might surprise a lot of people though.

However, I think that Dallas will get production from their RB one way or another. Even if they have to go outside of the guys they have now, they'll run the ball. I think that is going to happen period. But like happens so often, we are just going to have to wait to find out.

 

[KJJ]

I think that if you spent as much time telling other fans that their players suck as you do the Cowboy fans... you would see that other fan bases hate the truth just as much. Just my opinion though.

I don't really think that Cowboys fans are any more delusional than any other fan fan base (maybe just more Dallas fans overall)... but we're splitting hairs here. Many fans don't see things with an unbiased eye, so for all intents and purposes, we are in agreement on that.

Speaking for myself, I don't hold out much hope for McFadden to be much of anything except maybe catching some passes out of the backfield. It isn't a pickup that I was happy with.

Randle, I do think is going to be pretty good, so maybe I'm more upbeat about him that you are... but I do worry about his dumb *** gene becoming a dominant trait. I suppose we'll just have to hope for the best on that. Physically, the guy is pretty talented and could go a long way towards making the fan base feel better in a hurry about the run game.

Ryan Williams has some talent but hasn't been able to stay healthy. Dunbar is meh, to me, so... Overall, I think the RB position is a big question mark at this point. I do have hope that Randle might surprise a lot of people though.

However, I think that Dallas will get production from their RB one way or another. Even if they have to go outside of the guys they have now, they'll run the ball. I think that is going to happen period. But like happens so often, we are just going to have to wait to find out.

Where have I have said to anyone that Cowboy players suck? I don't tell anyone FAN or realist that our players suck. Claiborne has been a bust and so was Barbie Carpenter and I've come down hard on both as has most here but I've never said to anyone Cowboy players suck. I've been saying ever since Murray left and McFadden signed that I think the backs the Cowboys currently have will do okay barring injury but I don't think we'll see the consistency we saw last season running the football especially in short yardage situations. I can assure you if the Cowboys do have a good rushing attack in 2015 the agenda/hater crowed will spin that I claimed all our backs suck and that the Cowboys running game will suck.

 

[AsthmaField]

Where have I have said to anyone that Cowboy players suck? I don't tell anyone FAN or realist that our players suck. Claiborne has been a bust and so was Barbie Carpenter and I've come down hard on both as has most here but I've never said to anyone Cowboy players suck. I've been saying ever since Murray left and McFadden signed that I think the backs the Cowboys currently have will do okay barring injury but I don't think we'll see the consistency we saw last season running the football especially in short yardage situations. I can assure you if the Cowboys do have a good rushing attack in 2015 the agenda/hater crowed will spin that I claimed all our backs suck and that the Cowboys running game will suck.

It was lazy paraphrasing on my part. I figured you and I would both know what I was talking about. You have said (as have I) that this or that player isn't very good. That is what I was talking about. I didn't actually mean for you to focus on the word "suck" and strike up an argument that you never use that word. In your last post, you use the word "delusional" quite often when talking about your fellow fans... it isn't that much of a stretch that you would use the word "suck" about a player. However, if you say you never have... then I guess you never have.

Actually there isn't a whole lot that you and I are not agreeing on here, so I don't see much reason for a debate on anything. I just think that the Dallas fan base is a pretty average slice of NFL fandom and you think we're more delusional than all the rest. Frankly, that distinction isn't worth typing about much more than we already have.

 

[KJJ]

It was lazy paraphrasing on my part. I figured you and I would both know what I was talking about. You have said (as have I) that this or that player isn't very good. That is what I was talking about. I didn't actually mean for you to focus on the word "suck" and strike up an argument that you never use that word. In your last post, you use the word "delusional" quite often when talking about your fellow fans... it isn't that much of a stretch that you would use the word "suck" about a player. However, if you say you never have... then I guess you never have.

Actually there isn't a whole lot that you and I are not agreeing on here, so I don't see much reason for a debate on anything. I just think that the Dallas fan base is a pretty average slice of NFL fandom and you think we're more delusional than all the rest. Frankly, that distinction isn't worth typing about much more than we already have.

When you receive as much hate as I do on this board it's hard to tell where someone is coming from. I'm public enemy #1 here because I choose to give honest, unbiased opinions and have frustrated many posters. They make me out to be something I'm not because they don't like me. I've been disliked on every Cowboys board I've been on over a 13 year period and it's never deterred me from being candid. I don't care how many get rubbed wrong by my opinions I'm going to give them and FANS who choose to read them better hold their nose while they choke them down because they won't be sugar coated.

I think McFadden is an average back based on his performance the last 4 seasons. I don't think he sucks I think he's average until proven otherwise. I think Randle is an average to decent back but we haven't seen enough of him to know exactly what he is or isn't. As for Williams he's only played part of one season and that was 3 years ago in AZ. We know the Cowboys are concerned about him as a pass protector which is why he landed on the practice squad last season and not the 53 man roster. The jury is out on all these backs and the verdict won't come in until during the season or after it.

 

[Sarge]

The treads are worn, not to mention he's a loser.

 

[5Stars]

When you receive as much hate as I do on this board it's hard to tell where someone is coming from. I'm public enemy #1 here because I choose to give honest, unbiased opinions and have frustrated many posters. They make me out to be something I'm not because they don't like me. I've been disliked on every Cowboys board I've been on over a 13 year period and it's never deterred me from being candid. I don't care how many get rubbed wrong by my opinions I'm going to give them and FANS who choose to read them better hold their nose while they choke them down because they won't be sugar coated.

lmao...maybe the problem is you? I guess when 10 people tell you that you are drunk, you better sit down.

 

[AsthmaField]

When you receive as much hate as I do on this board it's hard to tell where someone is coming from. I'm public enemy #1 here because I choose to give honest, unbiased opinions and have frustrated many posters. They make me out to be something I'm not because they don't like me. I've been disliked on every Cowboys board I've been on over a 13 year period and it's never deterred me from being candid. I don't care how many get rubbed wrong by my opinions I'm going to give them and FANS who choose to read them better hold their nose while they choke them down because they won't be sugar coated.

I think McFadden is an average back based on his performance the last 4 seasons. I don't think he sucks I think he's average until proven otherwise. I think Randle is an average to decent back but we haven't seen enough of him to know exactly what he is or isn't. As for Williams he's only played part of one season and that was 3 years ago in AZ. We know the Cowboys are concerned about him as a pass protector which is why he landed on the practice squad last season and not the 53 man roster. The jury is out on all these backs and the verdict won't come in until during the season or after it.

Fair enough. I do understand that you deal with a lot of inflammatory posts.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

NO

Succinct!!!




Wow. Seriously.

This guy didn't wrestle around beat a woman up.

He took a full hard swing and knocked her out. Hit her like she was a dude.

What is wrong people?

 

[coogrfan]

I don't care about Rice's (or anyone elses) off the field issues. If he can still ball, then get him. That is a big IF.
If Arron Hernandez could get a work release, I would consider him.
I'm not looking for saints, I'm looking for production on the field. Haters are gonna hate the Cowboys no matter what.

http://img.***BLOCKED***/albums/v72/gocoogs/Cowboys/jawdrop_zpsd597e3ct.gif