Dallas have interest in Jason Taylor

[chinch]

bingo.

Anybody that seriously tries to compare Ellis' performance with JT is patently ridiculous... The career-below 10 sack seasons of Ellis in nowhere compares to the monster that is Jason Taylor... The guy had one season above 10 sacks and he needed Wade and Ware for it... JT next to Ware and with Spencer would easily rack up 13 sacks, and besides that, his performance won't fade late in the season.

BTW, if one wants to argue durability, JT has never torn his achilles and won defensive player of the year 2 years ago, having one fo the most dominant seasons as a defensive player in years...

Ellis is not even close to the player JT is... n The only reason a person would prefer Ellis to Taylor is because of emotional sentiments attacheds to his career in Dallas... I'm tired of emoitonal sentiments that cause us to collapse 4 years in a row in December...

 

[jobberone]

Anybody that seriously tries to compare Ellis' performance with JT is patently ridiculous... The career-below 10 sack seasons of Ellis in nowhere compares to the monster that is Jason Taylor... The guy had one season above 10 sacks and he needed Wade and Ware for it... JT next to Ware and with Spencer would easily rack up 13 sacks, and besides that, his performance won't fade late in the season.

BTW, if one wants to argue durability, JT has never torn his achilles and won defensive player of the year 2 years ago, having one fo the most dominant seasons as a defensive player in years...

Ellis is not even close to the player JT is... n The only reason a person would prefer Ellis to Taylor is because of emotional sentiments attacheds to his career in Dallas... I'm tired of emoitonal sentiments that cause us to collapse 4 years in a row in December...

If I ying you yang. I didn't once compare their careers or even say who was the better player. Right now I think Ellis is a very valuable player for the Cowboys. I have no emotional sentiment towards either player. And you don't know that Taylor is going to come in and play better than Ellis has. Especially for the money. Your attacks are patently emotionally obvious. Stop trying to pee on my shoes.

 

[jobberone]

To me, it's simply not a position of great need. Unless he wants to play for peanuts, we'd be better off getting TO, Hamlin and Canty signed. I'd be willing to bet, he is NOT willing to play for peanuts.

If bringing in Taylor has an adverse affect on getting those guys signed, it would not be prudent IMO.

He's not 'way' better than Greg Ellis either, as someone else pointed out. We have to see what Spencer can do as well.

Nothing against Taylor, he's a very good player, the timing, if nothing else, is not right.......

That's the biggest reason to pooh on that notion. Taylor has as much chance of coming here esp for a trade for Ellis or anyone, that the notion is only possible on a theoretical basis. Makes for off season banter and that is about it.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

How could the Cowboys even fit him on the team tight against the cap? $8 mil base salary! Be serious. Taylor ain't coming here.

 

[Boysboy]

How could the Cowboys even fit him on the team tight against the cap? $8 mil base salary! Be serious. Taylor ain't coming here.

One of the reasons why this offseason has been loads of fun is for the reason being alot of cockamamie rumors about Jerry somehow got started/quoted out of context, and the media(as well as the fans) just spinned it and ran away with it.

There was this whole "Jerry to give up the farm for McFadden" thingy that took up at least 3 months-to no avail.

Frankly-it's all getting old now. What rumor is next? We trade Roy/Ellis to Philly for Lito/Considine?

 

[BAT]

The naysayers are wrong on both points.


1) Ellis is no where near the player that Jason Taylor is. Taylor is a better pass rusher, in coverage AND against the run. Jason Taylor is a future HOFer. Ellis is not even a future ROHer. Not trading for Taylor b/c of Spencer is the height of ignorance. Spencer MAY be a good player someday_Taylor is still playing at HOF level.

2) Taylor's salary will not cripple Dallas. Mickey Spags actually says the opposite, a trade of Ellis for Taylor would FAVOR DALLAS salary capwise.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119422


Ellis for Taylor is a clear talent upgrade for Dallas. However, it would make more sense to acquire Taylor for a 2009 draft pick(s). Then trade Ellis and another player (Spears perhaps) to Detroit for Roy Williams. Detroit is desperate for DL/pass rush upgrades.

But I am of the belief that it doesn't happen. Parcells will not just give Taylor away, especially to Jerry. And Taylor's Hollywood fetish is something that scares away a lot of teams, Jerry's no exception. It's a bad rap IMO, Taylor has never given less than 100%+ even when going 1-15 last season. Also, Taylor finished stronger than Ellis (3 sacks in last 4 games vs. Ellis, 1 sack in last 4 games) even though he was the focal point of every opposing offense seeing double and triple teams.

 

[Boysboy]

Oh brother........

I think everyone here is forgetting how when Ellis went down in that Arizona game in '06, our ENTIRE unit got flushed down the toilet with it...our LBs started playing out of position, and all of a sudden our suspect secondary started getting torched royally.

With all the flack that Parcells got for his uber-conservative coaching, I think everyone needs to remember that Ellis' loss down that stretch made a HUGE impact for the worst.

Ellis may be a headcase, but he's far from being a locker room cancer. And we can't deny he's one heck of a player.

 

[austintodallas]

Taylor is an All-Pro caliber player who is just one year removed from DPOTY. Eliis is a steady player who benefits from playing across from Ware. They are really not in the same league, IMO.

Thank you. I can't believe people are even saying Greg Ellis in the same breath as Jason Taylor. I could get 8 sacks if I played on the other side of Ware. Ware and Taylor together would be devestating.

 

[Boysboy]

Thank you. I can't believe people are even saying Greg Ellis in the same breath as Jason Taylor. I could get 8 sacks if I played on the other side of Ware. Ware and Taylor together would be devestating.

Again-remember the '06 season when Ellis went down...our entire D went down the toilet. And remember the D wasn't all that great in the first 3.5 games of '07 when Ellis didn't play.

If anything-Ware/Ellis has given Dallas a great 1-2 edge pass rush punch.

 

[Randy White]

That's a matter for debate. I say go with the devil you know.

No, there's no debate about that one. JT runs circles around Ellis. He's 10 times the pass rusher in a 4-3, 3-4, 5-2, 46, 4-4, and just about any other defensive alignment you can think of, than Ellis.

Now, does it make sense ? Maybe, maybe not. Taylor would absolutely bring better pass rushing than Ellis, and would absolutely be a better all around player, but he is retiring after this year and he would have to be willing to take less money in order to fit in the Cowboys cap.

But make no mistake about it, if all things are equal, Ellis is nowhere near the same league that Jason Taylor is.

 

[jobberone]

I don't think people are saying Ellis has always been better or as good. Why jump to that conclusion. People are talking about the here and now.

 

[bbgun]

I guess I gotta watch more Dolphins games. My biggest concern is that he lands in Philly or DC.

 

[Eskimo]

I don't think people are saying Ellis has always been better or as good. Why jump to that conclusion. People are talking about the here and now.

Let's go back one year to put things in perspective here. Greg Ellis is coming off Achilles surgery and whining and many wanted to just cut him loose. Many here claimed him to be a colossal bust for having never gotten 10 sacks and said he was only an average DE.

Conversely, Jason Taylor was DPOTY.

I don't think Ellis has gotten that much better in 1 year and I don't think Taylor has gotten much worse. Taylor is just a much better player than Ellis and it isn't even close.

Having said that, there are numerous barriers to overcome in such a trade so it is unlikely to happen.

 

[Eskimo]

Again-remember the '06 season when Ellis went down...our entire D went down the toilet. And remember the D wasn't all that great in the first 3.5 games of '07 when Ellis didn't play.

If anything-Ware/Ellis has given Dallas a great 1-2 edge pass rush punch.

I do think this is more coinicidence than anything else. The team also played its best defensive game of the year after Ellis went down against Indianapolis. The collapse of the D had more to do with Sean Payton knowing the weaknesses of Dallas' players and Zimmer's 3-4 coverage schemes. This was exacerbated by Henry's knee injury, Aaron Glenn's ageing and the lack of any pass rush outside of Demarcus Ware.

Ellis is not the sort of player that makes the difference between a top 5 and bottom 5 defense. Only guys like Reggie White and Lawrence Taylor can even dream of having that type of impact.

 

[MWILL]

IMO, I would trade for J. Taylor (if they have a chance to).

Don't get me wrong I do like Ellis too, but his complaining is killing me. How many years do Cowboys fans have to hear his crap. I'm now more worried about his mindset for this season (I know it's early). I think having a guy like Taylor (who is hungry for a title and wants to play for a winner) will bring more to the table than a guy who is worried about his practice reps in an OTA.

C'mon man were talking about practice....not the game...not the game....PRACTICE...were talking about practice, man.
- Allen Iverson:laugh2:

 

[sago1]

Count me as one of those who doesn't see this as making sense. Even if Taylor agrees to take the minimum salary to have legit shot at a SB ring, I don't really think we can use him. Does he play at DE so that means we slow the development of Canty and Hatcher (think he beats out Spears this year) or if at OLB do we really want to sit Ware or Spencer/Ellis? Plus there's no way I use one of our picks (which I hope we use to move up and grab a top WR) in the 09 draft. Now if Taylor can force Miami's hand & they cut him, must we can work him in somewhere but....

 

[Eskimo]

Count me as one of those who doesn't see this as making sense. Even if Taylor agrees to take the minimum salary to have legit shot at a SB ring, I don't really think we can use him. Does he play at DE so that means we slow the development of Canty and Hatcher (think he beats out Spears this year) or if at OLB do we really want to sit Ware or Spencer/Ellis? Plus there's no way I use one of our picks (which I hope we use to move up and grab a top WR) in the 09 draft. Now if Taylor can force Miami's hand & they cut him, must we can work him in somewhere but....

Taylor would be coming here to play OLB in our base 3-4 and not DE in any proposed trades. He would play DE in the nickel.

 

[Randy White]

I don't think people are saying Ellis has always been better or as good. Why jump to that conclusion. People are talking about the here and now.

It's still the same for the here and now.

Ellis had a heck of a year last year. JT has has a heck of a year almost every year. He, suppoosedly, had an " off " year last season, with a terrible defensive back field, and a bust ( Joey Porter ) playing on the other side of him and he still managed 11 sacks.

Put JT last season in Ellis' spot and he probably reaches 20.

 

[RomoIsBack]

trade ellis crying ***

 

[BAT]

It's still the same for the here and now.

Ellis had a heck of a year last year. JT has had a heck of a year almost every year. He, suppoosedly, had an " off " year last season, with a terrible defensive back field, and a bust ( Joey Porter ) playing on the other side of him and he still managed 11 sacks.

Put JT last season in Ellis' spot and he probably reaches 20.

Heck, put JT in Ellis' spot last season and likely both JT AND Ware hit 20_each.