Dallas have interest in Jason Taylor

[Alexander]

Oh brother........

I think everyone here is forgetting how when Ellis went down in that Arizona game in '06, our ENTIRE unit got flushed down the toilet with it...our LBs started playing out of position, and all of a sudden our suspect secondary started getting torched royally.

With all the flack that Parcells got for his uber-conservative coaching, I think everyone needs to remember that Ellis' loss down that stretch made a HUGE impact for the worst.

Ellis may be a headcase, but he's far from being a locker room cancer. And we can't deny he's one heck of a player.

If we cut ties with Ellis and replaced him with Taylor, what exactly are you stating?

We would be back to 2006? Oh brother, indeed.

The lack of a second quality pass rusher hurt in 2006. Not Greg Ellis. We had Al Singleton and Bobby Carpenter there in his place.

Now we would have Anthony Spencer, who I believe could take Ellis' job tomorrow and the dropoff would not be nearly as dramatic as people fear.

 

[Alexander]

My biggest concern is that he lands in Philly or DC.

I agree. I would certainly hope Bill Parcells has enough respect for Jerry Jones not to do that.

To sum up this whole "debate" between the comparative skill of the two, what would concern you more?

Jason Taylor on a division rival or Greg Ellis?

 

[jobberone]

Let's go back one year to put things in perspective here. Greg Ellis is coming off Achilles surgery and whining and many wanted to just cut him loose. Many here claimed him to be a colossal bust for having never gotten 10 sacks and said he was only an average DE.

Conversely, Jason Taylor was DPOTY.

I don't think Ellis has gotten that much better in 1 year and I don't think Taylor has gotten much worse. Taylor is just a much better player than Ellis and it isn't even close.

Having said that, there are numerous barriers to overcome in such a trade so it is unlikely to happen.

News flash: No one saying they don't want Taylor here is saying Ellis has had a good of a career as Taylor has had. Haven't seen anyone make that statement. And Taylor didn't have an off year last year. He had double digit sacks. Some of us aren't ready to dump Ellis for a player who is older and definitely has his mind on things other than football.

It's still the same for the here and now.

Put JT last season in Ellis' spot and he probably reaches 20.

So now Taylor could have had almost a NFL record for sacks in a year had he played here last year. That's how good he is, huh? Send him his cape and let him fly up here and show us how he can also walk on water.

Heck, put JT in Ellis' spot last season and likely both JT AND Ware hit 20_each.

Wow. Now both Ware and Taylor could get 20. Why don't we just trade all our draft picks next year to get him. We'll go to the SB every year he's here. Then he can be President of the US and bring us world peace, cure cancer and feed the hungry, develop warp drive and fusion-antimatter hybrid engines so we can conquer the galaxy.

 

[khiladi]

The naysayers are wrong on both points.


1) Ellis is no where near the player that Jason Taylor is. Taylor is a better pass rusher, in coverage AND against the run. Jason Taylor is a future HOFer. Ellis is not even a future ROHer. Not trading for Taylor b/c of Spencer is the height of ignorance. Spencer MAY be a good player someday_Taylor is still playing at HOF level.

2) Taylor's salary will not cripple Dallas. Mickey Spags actually says the opposite, a trade of Ellis for Taylor would FAVOR DALLAS salary capwise.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119422


Ellis for Taylor is a clear talent upgrade for Dallas. However, it would make more sense to acquire Taylor for a 2009 draft pick(s). Then trade Ellis and another player (Spears perhaps) to Detroit for Roy Williams. Detroit is desperate for DL/pass rush upgrades.

But I am of the belief that it doesn't happen. Parcells will not just give Taylor away, especially to Jerry. And Taylor's Hollywood fetish is something that scares away a lot of teams, Jerry's no exception. It's a bad rap IMO, Taylor has never given less than 100%+ even when going 1-15 last season. Also, Taylor finished stronger than Ellis (3 sacks in last 4 games vs. Ellis, 1 sack in last 4 games) even though he was the focal point of every opposing offense seeing double and triple teams.

Preach on brotha...

Greg Ellis had one good year in terms of pass rush, in that he racked up more than 10 sacks. Yet again, he faded during the season and racked up only one sack.

Greg Ellis can't even sniff JT's jock...

 

[khiladi]

Oh brother........

I think everyone here is forgetting how when Ellis went down in that Arizona game in '06, our ENTIRE unit got flushed down the toilet with it...our LBs started playing out of position, and all of a sudden our suspect secondary started getting torched royally.

With all the flack that Parcells got for his uber-conservative coaching, I think everyone needs to remember that Ellis' loss down that stretch made a HUGE impact for the worst.

Ellis may be a headcase, but he's far from being a locker room cancer. And we can't deny he's one heck of a player.

No, we all remember that and the claim that the defense collapsed was because of Greg Ellis is hog-wash.. Dallas sustained the same level of play without Greg Ellis until December. It was only when teams started exposing the LB corps that was Bradie James that the team really started to fade...

 

[khiladi]

Again-remember the '06 season when Ellis went down...our entire D went down the toilet. And remember the D wasn't all that great in the first 3.5 games of '07 when Ellis didn't play.

If anything-Ware/Ellis has given Dallas a great 1-2 edge pass rush punch.

This, as I said before, is nonsense and as another poster pointed out when we played our best defensive game without him against the Colts. Greg Ellis went down in game 9. Dallas played 7 more games without Greg Ellis and sustained similar production until December. The Cowboys played the Saints 4 games after Greg Ellis went down, and it was this game that exposed the Dallas weaknesses which were totally inapplicable to Greg Ellis.

 

[bbgun]

The more I think about it, the less likely Ellis would be involved in the deal. The Fins are rebuilding, and will not be inclined to trade age for age. If this gets done, it'll be for draft picks. Of course, if Ellis remains on the team because he's unmovable, why would Taylor be coming to Dallas?

 

[Eskimo]

News flash: No one saying they don't want Taylor here is saying Ellis has had a good of a career as Taylor has had. Haven't seen anyone make that statement. And Taylor didn't have an off year last year. He had double digit sacks. Some of us aren't ready to dump Ellis for a player who is older and definitely has his mind on things other than football.

My point is that some people here are acting as though Taylor isn't an upgrade over Ellis because Ellis had more sacks than Taylor did last year. The deal probably can't be done for a number of reasons but Ellis being a better player than Taylor is not the reason we wouldn't do the deal.

 

[Woods]

I would wonder how quickly Taylor could transition to a 3-4 OLB.

I'm sure he could do it, but how long would it take to be really effective? 1/2 a season? 1 season?

If it's roughly one season, that would be too long for us, IMO.

 

[Eskimo]

I would wonder how quickly Taylor could transition to a 3-4 OLB.

I'm sure he could do it, but how long would it take to be really effective? 1/2 a season? 1 season?

If it's roughly one season, that would be too long for us, IMO.

The thing to remember is that about vor half the snaps these days the nickel is on the field. In that defense, Taylor would be a DE on the 4-man line.

 

[Randy White]

So now Taylor could have had almost a NFL record for sacks in a year had he played here last year. That's how good he is, huh? Send him his cape and let him fly up here and show us how he can also walk on water.

Considering the fact that he got 11 with the support he played with last year, yea, he does wear a cape and can probably walk on water too.

 

[Randy White]

I would wonder how quickly Taylor could transition to a 3-4 OLB..

That's what he's been playing for a few years.

The Dullphins switched to a 3-4 defense when they hired Nick Saban and they kept it after he quit.

 

[khiladi]

I would wonder how quickly Taylor could transition to a 3-4 OLB.

I'm sure he could do it, but how long would it take to be really effective? 1/2 a season? 1 season?

If it's roughly one season, that would be too long for us, IMO.

EVen in that transition period, he'd still be covering receivers out of the back-field much better than Greg Ellis does, despite Ellis having the edge on knowing what to do...

 

[aggiecurt05]

The fact that there is a discussion about value between Greg Ellis and Jason Taylor shows how much of homers we can become. If you posted this on ANY other team's message board, there is not a single team who would think that Greg Ellis for Jason Taylor would be a good deal for Miami. Not one. A DPOY for a one time probowler who's 32 and faded at the end of the year. They play the same position (both 3-4 OLB's) and are close to the same age.