Dallas should franchise Flozell immediately

[Manster68]

That would depend on if the coaches feel one of these guys is ready to take over. None of us really know how far along these other players are. So while it is a unknown to us it may not be that much of an unknown for the coaches who work with these guys day in and day out.

Well seeing how either one of us don't have much in the way of decision making, we'll have to hope the decision made is correct.

I just don't want to regret it.

 

[Woods]

Well seeing how either one of us don't have much in the way of decision making, we'll have to hope the decision made is correct.

I just don't want to regret it.

Yhea, we have to hope the staff gets it right . . . . whatever decision they make with Flo.

It may be the most important player decision they make going into next season. (Clearly for the offense at least.)

 

[LatinMind]

the same people who are saying sign flo, are the same people who will be saying in 09, "dallas keeps their OL too long!!"

 

[Doomsday101]

Well seeing how either one of us don't have much in the way of decision making, we'll have to hope the decision made is correct.

I just don't want to regret it.

I agree all I'm saying is the coaches have a better idea of where MCQ, Martan and Free are in their development we don't have a clue and I think that will determine if we try and work a deal with Flo or move on. I don’t have a big problem with Flo other than him jumping off-sides once or twice a game other than that he does a very good job but Jerry also has to be careful about paying out too much for a guy who is getting towards the tail end of his career.

 

[sago1]

Somebody earlier posted that Adams would be 32 in a few months. Well, Adams will be 33 not 32 on May 18, 2008. It will be a tough decision for Jerry Jones cause the most important thing the Cowboys must do is protect Tony Romo's blindside. Do we really want to spend $$$$ to sign a 33 year old LT for 3-5 years? If he gets hurt, either Free or McQuistan would have to replace him anyway.

 

[theebs]

Not sure if anyone else caught jerry jones today with norm but he gave mixed signals on flozell returning.

He referenced hudson houcks time with flozell previously and then talked at length about the young tackles we have and how much they like them and will need them going forward.

Personally I dont think it is a smart business decision to bring flo back, the way the league is you have to trust your draft picks, Doug free basically to be the next left tackle.

It will be near impossible to expect the quality of play from free that we got from adams this year. I just dont think it makes sense as an organization to bring flo back.

 

[AbeBeta]

33 is not particularly old for a tackle -- guys at T often go deep into their 30s

keep in mind that 5 year deals are usually really 3 year deals as when year 4 rolls around it is usually the case that at year 4 cutting the player will save cap money or you can keep him for only a mill or so more than you'd gain by cutting.

Flo will get a chance to test the market. The Dolphins will have little interest in breaking the bank here.

 

[This is Our Year]

Time for Adams to hit the road IMO. We drafted tackles for a reason last year and a lot of people feel Doug Free is going to be really good. If David Diehl for the Giants can play left tackle so can Doug Free.


:starspin

 

[superpunk]

33 is not particularly old for a tackle -- guys at T often go deep into their 30s

keep in mind that 5 year deals are usually really 3 year deals as when year 4 rolls around it is usually the case that at year 4 cutting the player will save cap money or you can keep him for only a mill or so more than you'd gain by cutting.

Flo will get a chance to test the market. The Dolphins will have little interest in breaking the bank here.

Plus, I don't know why people are forgetting that Miami already has Vernon Carey playing LT. Unless they intend to put Flo at RT, there would be absolutely no reason for them to pursue him.

Maybe the Falcons.

 

[ddh33]

Flo is going to garner plenty of attention. And I'd like to have him back because I know what we're getting with him, and I think he's still one of the best in the game.

I do understand the point of holding on to veterans too long. I also understand the financial considerations for a player of his age.

Ultimately, this is the biggest question mark I have for the entire off-season. What will the Cowboys do with Flozell?

 

[Manster68]

33 is not particularly old for a tackle -- guys at T often go deep into their 30s

keep in mind that 5 year deals are usually really 3 year deals as when year 4 rolls around it is usually the case that at year 4 cutting the player will save cap money or you can keep him for only a mill or so more than you'd gain by cutting.

Flo will get a chance to test the market. The Dolphins will have little interest in breaking the bank here.

Exactly.

I guess what I am hoping for is one more year with Flo and let Free, Marten, and McQuisitan another year of development before the Cowboys have to make the decision to let one of those guys go.

I do think Marten and McQuisitan have been playing more on the right side also. So it is Free that I am more concerned with.

Hey, if one of those guys step up and take that position away from Adams, then great! A mid or late round pick gets validated.

 

[tunahelper]

TH, you strike me as the sort that believes they still have money in their checking account just because they have checks left.


Right now AdamJT13 is projecting about $18 mil in cap space before:

- We sign our rookies INCLUDING two first round draft picks
- We resign our restricted FA's like Canty and Barber
- We resign Hamlin
- We attempt to resign Davis
- We attempt to extend Newman's contract

You take $7-$9 million out of our cap space for Adams... and there isn't going to be much left at this point.

My finances are completely intacted, however you failed to give estimates on the above contract purposals or link information on the average of the top OT.

Maybe you should review your own posts before becoming the thread auditor.

 

[tunahelper]

Morning Duane!

The two keyboard bullies.

Brave when no one is in front of them?

 

[dogberry]

My guess:

2008 Cap remaining 18.5
Rookie money 4.5 14.00
Canty 1.5 12.5
Barber 1.5 11.0
Berger, Procto, LaD 1.0 10.0
Reserve Fund 3.0 7.00

I assume Bowen, Curtis, N. Jones, J. Jones, Oglesby, Thompson move on.

Can we sign Adams, Hamlin, Davis and Reeves with seven million?

Cutting Glenn and Ferguson save four million? My problem with cutting Glenn is I don't see another small fast receiver on the team.

 

[LarryCanadian]

I like Flo. He didn't have a great 4th quarter in playoff game. That cheesed me. But if your team is a superbowl contender why do you get rid of a pro-bowl left tackle?

I think the price is most important factor. If the contract is good value, then it's safter to keep Flo, unless you are really sure of Free or McQuistan. Marten didn't even get good reviews (just average). Houck knows Flo so he should have some input. Flo was a stud early under Houck.

Now, someone answer me this:
Why the hell would Miami, which is a rebuilding team want to pay Flo 6-10 Million a year if a team like Dallas that needs solid veterans to protect new Franchise QB Romo wouldn't.

Makes no sense. Flo is just as old, 33, in Miami as he is in Dallas. Plus it's new offense down there. Plus he's not on a likely contender, so how motivated are you playing for a rebuild. At this point is it really about the money.

On the other hand if Flo isn't willing to take a bit of a discount contract wise, to stay in Dallas where he has been treated well for a decade. To stay in Dallas where he, and I'm assuming here, has all his friends and family, having played here so long. To stay in Dallas where for the first time in so long the team is really a contender. To stay in Dallas where from his own personal perspective, he can make a difference and finally say he contributed to playoff and potential Superbowl success. If these things AREN"T important to Flo and he's purely about the money (which he should have a ton of by now), then quite frankly he probably isn't the guy we want anyway. At some point does 5 million a year instead of 6 million a year make that much of a difference if you have a chance to get your name on the Lombardi and remain loyal to the organization you were with the whole time?

That's why I think with Ellis, my opinion is get the hell out and go be a starter on some rebuilding team, if that's more important to you than winning a super bowl after all this time! Lame duck! I hope Flo isn't another, but maybe there is a reason these 2 are the longest tenured Cowboys DURING The LONGEST playoff win draught in Cowboy history (or at least since I've been watching).

LarryCanadian

 

[BigDave95]

Iif you have a chance to get your name on the Lombardi

This isn't hockey, Canada boy. They don't skate the trophy around either

:wink3:

 

[djtavo]

I think Flozell will be with us next season, my indication after watching the Hudson Houck PC and him been our OL coach there is no doubt in my mind that Flo will be with us next year.
I know a lot of you complain for his penalties but this guy is a really good player, if im not mistaken 4 of the last 5 years Flo has been a pro-bowler i think that should speak volumes of his talent.

What u guys think ?

 

[iceberg]

I think Flozell will be with us next season, my indication after watching the Hudson Houck PC and him been our OL coach there is no doubt in my mind that Flo will be with us next year.
I know a lot of you complain for his penalties but this guy is a really good player, if im not mistaken 4 of the last 5 years Flo has been a pro-bowler i think that should speak volumes of his talent.

What u guys think ?

i think we need more thread on flo.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Not sure if anyone else caught jerry jones today with norm but he gave mixed signals on flozell returning.

He referenced hudson houcks time with flozell previously and then talked at length about the young tackles we have and how much they like them and will need them going forward.

Personally I dont think it is a smart business decision to bring flo back, the way the league is you have to trust your draft picks, Doug free basically to be the next left tackle.

It will be near impossible to expect the quality of play from free that we got from adams this year. I just dont think it makes sense as an organization to bring flo back.

That's the way I see it. In a perfect world, would we keep Flo? Yes. But we're good now, and like the Pats and Eagles and others, we can't keep everyone. At some point we have to trust the young guys.

 

[zrinkill]

I would probably regret it but I think I would let Flo go unless he was being very reasonable with his salary.