Dallas showing interest in Crabtree?

[Dawgs0916]

Man I wish this thread would just go away and die.

I still get excited everytime I see the title, even though I know how far fetched and ridiculous it is.

 

[peplaw06]

I do not believe this it true and I'm pretty sure it would be impossible to make work. I believe Crabtree would have to fit under our rookie salary cap which we have surely used up because we have signed all our picks. If I recall correctly, this happened the year we signed Hutchinson. He was technically a rookie and we had to fit him under or rookie pool along with all the other draftees and they did not increase the amount to account for him. If that is the case here, this would be impossible to make work.

Adam estimated we would use around $750,000 on our draft picks.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

Who is that, talking to Michael Trabtree?

http://www.bobanddan.com/Deion's%20Greatest%20Achievement.mp3

 

[LehighCowboy]

I'm more curious as to what your doing on a Detroit Lions forum.

I"m a big Penn State fan, so I decided to check up on how well Derrick Williams was doing in Lions camp. While there, I stumbled upon this little tidbit.

 

[Dawgs0916]

I"m a big Penn State fan, so I decided to check up on how well Derrick Williams was doing in Lions camp. While there, I stumbled upon this little tidbit.

Of trash.

It was a sadistic way of getting my hopes up.

 

[Cowboys22]

Adam estimated we would use around $750,000 on our draft picks.

That has nothing to do with anything. Every team is assigned a rookie cap dollar amount based on the amount and position of their draft picks. You only have that amount to sign all your rookie draft picks. I have to assume that we have used up almost all of that allocation because we signed all our picks. I cannot imagine any circumastance where they still have enough rookie cap dollars to sign someone like Crabtree.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Interesting story. I doubt there is any real truth to it and I doubt, very seriously, that we'd ever be able to get him even if Jerry did inquire. I mean the guy is a first round pick so what would we have to give to him? Next years first? A player? Who'd be the guy they'd take? There is probably only a short list of names they'd be willing to make that deal for.

I'd say this type of thing has about a -0.0000000000004 percent chance of having any sort of chance of actually happening.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I'll give them Roy straight up for Crab.

 

[Bluefin]

Every team is assigned a rookie cap dollar amount based on the amount and position of their draft picks.

If any team traded for another team's unsigned rookie, wouldn't the NFL automatically change both teams' rookie pools as a result?

After just trading for Roy Williams and signing him to a huge deal, and with three of our top four receivers under the age of 30, I don't see why we would be looking to add an unknown like Michael Crabtree.

It would look to be completely unnecessary.

Sounds like a silly fabricated rumor made up to get Crabtree fans excited.

 

[Biggems]

I am not a fan of Crabtree. Yes he put up great stats in college, in a gimmick system. He is a great WR, but he is an absolute head case. The last thing I want in Dallas is another head case.

Of course all the TT fans will be butt hurt by my comments, but oh well.

I am thoroughly enjoying watching this saga unfold....I hope it lasts all year. I hope he sits out. I hope he gets blackballed by the league. I hope the Niners struggle cause of wasting a pick on him.

Most of all, I hope they lose their dang minds and give us Patrick Willis.

 

[Biggems]

I"m a big Penn State fan, so I decided to check up on how well Derrick Williams was doing in Lions camp. While there, I stumbled upon this little tidbit.

I'm sorry

HOOK EM HORNS

 

[peplaw06]

That has nothing to do with anything. Every team is assigned a rookie cap dollar amount based on the amount and position of their draft picks. You only have that amount to sign all your rookie draft picks. I have to assume that we have used up almost all of that allocation because we signed all our picks. I cannot imagine any circumastance where they still have enough rookie cap dollars to sign someone like Crabtree.

If you trade for someone's rights there would have to be an adjustment made somewhere. Surely those things are not set in stone like that. Considering draft day trades are made all the time, certainly, if in the unlikely event this were to ever happen, there would be a mechanism to allow us to sign him.

 

[Dawgs0916]

I'm sorry

HOOK EM HORNS

Figures. I knew there was a reason I restrained myself from responding to your post before this one.

 

[SA_Gunslinger]

even if he did come here, it would cost a ridiculously high price, and he has already missed half of camp. how effective do you really foresee him being THIS YEAR? so, you want to give up a king's ransom for a guy that would realistically not even begin to contribute majorly for another season? doesn't seem worth it.

 

[casmith07]

I can't believe someone actually posted this, knowing that it would warrant a ridiculous response.

 

[Cowboys22]

If you trade for someone's rights there would have to be an adjustment made somewhere. Surely those things are not set in stone like that. Considering draft day trades are made all the time, certainly, if in the unlikely event this were to ever happen, there would be a mechanism to allow us to sign him.

Thats not how it works especially at this stage. The league didn't give the Cowboys anymore rookie cap space the year they signed Hutchinson. I also recall the year that Eli was drafted and then traded to the Giants, it became an issue because the Giants had to sign the #1 overall pick but were only alloted the rookie cap space for whatever spot they took Phillip Rivers in. This is one of the main reasons you very rarely see rookies drafted and then traded. The teams always prefer to trade the picks so they get the rookie cap space needed to sign them.

 

[cowboyjoe]

also about crabtree something everyone is forgetting,

his stess fracture in his foot, no one has really seen him run and if he wont have the same time of injury again,

so, thats a big risk your taking a player on his merits and not seeing if he is fully healthy

 

[Randy White]

Thats not how it works especially at this stage. The league didn't give the Cowboys anymore rookie cap space the year they signed Hutchinson.

That's because Hutch wasn't a draft pick. He was a free agent signee and as a FA signee, the league doesn't count them when they issue the slot amount. It's up to the team to fit him in.

I also recall the year that Eli was drafted and then traded to the Giants, it became an issue because the Giants had to sign the #1 overall pick but were only alloted the rookie cap space for whatever spot they took Phillip Rivers in.

You're mixing up facts. Yes, there was an issue with the Giants and Eli's negotiations after the trade, but it had nothing to do with the league, or directly related to the rookie slots. It was about Eli's agent demanding the Giants pay Eli as THE #1 pick of the draft even though he got traded. The Giants wanted to pay him from their slot, but the agent would have none of it.

This is one of the main reasons you very rarely see rookies drafted and then traded. The teams always prefer to trade the picks so they get the rookie cap space needed to sign them.

Actually, it has nothing to do with it. The main reason is that if a team has to trade a draft pick after it makes it ( and we're talking about high picks, not lower picks who are usually special team players most of the time, if not developmental squad material ), it usually means that the player wasn't going to be signed, which usually means is the later part of AT LEAST training camp, meaning that rookie player will have little, if any, impact at all.

The easiest theoratical barometer for this scenario is this:

Have the 49ers renounce the rights to Crabs and see how many teams would line up to claim him. Rookie slot or not ( and it is the same wether you trade him or sign him as a FA ), there would be 31 teams in the league putting in a claim.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Crabtree is tempting

but he does come from a system offense

 

[RS12]

Aint gonna happen. Next.