Dallas showing interest in Crabtree?

[Randy White]

I'm not sure about this, but I do believe that the alloted slot where the player is drafted goes with him in case of a trade. Again, I'm not completely sure about it, and Adams would be the person to clarify this, but logically speaking, the NFLPA would object if it didn't and here's why ( my opinion ):

Let's take Crabtree's example. He gets traded to the Colts. Now if the slot cap space doesn't go with him, that means the Colts could not sign him to the #10 pick slot and that means Crabs loses money, meaning the NFLPA would object. The 49ers get to keep the slot cap space, not use it, and make money on the deal since they don't have to spend it on a player

This would open up a loophole were teams could use this tactic to manipulate salaries ( or straight out not pay ) during negotiations, or even before the draft with #1 picks.

 

[dbair1967]

Nothing to see here people. Move on.

 

[Cowboys22]

I'm not sure about this, but I do believe that the alloted slot where the player is drafted goes with him in case of a trade. Again, I'm not completely sure about it, and Adams would be the person to clarify this, but logically speaking, the NFLPA would object if it didn't and here's why ( my opinion ):

Let's take Crabtree's example. He gets traded to the Colts. Now if the slot cap space doesn't go with him, that means the Colts could not sign him to the #10 pick slot and that means Crabs loses money, meaning the NFLPA would object. The 49ers get to keep the slot cap space, not use it, and make money on the deal since they don't have to spend it on a player

This would open up a loophole were teams could use this tactic to manipulate salaries ( or straight out not pay ) during negotiations, or even before the draft with #1 picks.

Nope, the rookie cap pool does not transfer. Think about it. When have we ever seen rookies traded after they were picked? Almost never and thats because of the rookie cap allotments. Eli was an exception because he pulled the "I won't play in SD card". They had no choice but to take him and trade him. I also recall it being a big issue for the Giants because they had to sign the #1 pick and only had #3 or 4 money allocated. It meant some of their later round picks took less money or they didn't give nay bonuses to rookie free agents.

 

[Sandyf]

Almost never is not quite correct. Manning was traded for Rivers a few years back but the rookie allotment remained the same for both teams that it was so hard to sign Manning for New York.

Same thing happened sort of with Elway.

Never say never. Colts I believe got a player and a 1st and 3rd for the Elway trade.

If Jerry wants Crabtree and SF is willing to trade, it would get done but the signing would be against the cap with no rookie money for us. Right now SF is low balling Crabtree on guarantee money. My bet is that a deal with Sf will get done.

 

[Biggems]

Figures. I knew there was a reason I restrained myself from responding to your post before this one.

Yes, like you knew I was a Horns fan. Don't let facts actually play into anything. Other than Zach Thomas and Wes Welker, give me TT players who have done anything in the NFL. Seriously, they have had some very good players come out of that school, but they almost never translate to the next level.

Just look at Texas and OU. They destroy TT, as far as top level talent and ability. Yet, they too have issues with players not being able to make it at the next level. Look how awesome the OU passing game has been this decade, but you cannot name me one dominant, much less even solid OU WR in the NFL. Come to think about it, most of the OU players that enter the NFL become average at best....with Peterson and Roy Williams (first 3 years in the league) being the exception. You look at Texas and how dominant they have been over the last decade and you wonder why their WRs have done nothing. Where are their RBs? Ricky had drug issues, Benson has had his issues, and so on. Where are the WRs, QBs, etc? IMO, several of the players that have come out of UT should have been more dominant in the NFL. However, there is no denying that UT players have made a much bigger impact on the whole, than OU and TT.

 

[peplaw06]

That has nothing to do with anything. Every team is assigned a rookie cap dollar amount based on the amount and position of their draft picks. You only have that amount to sign all your rookie draft picks. I have to assume that we have used up almost all of that allocation because we signed all our picks. I cannot imagine any circumastance where they still have enough rookie cap dollars to sign someone like Crabtree.

A simple search brings up an article by Vela that states the following:

Without a first- or second-round pick in this year’s class, the Cowboys’ rookies likely will sign four-year deals with minimum base salaries of $310,000 (2009), $395,000 (2010), $480,000 (2011) and $565,000 (2012). The difference, of course, is each player’s signing bonus money, which will vary based on their draft positions.

The Cowboys received a $4,639,193 rookie pool to sign their picks. A little more than $16,000 was used for rookie free-agent signing bonuses.
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http://www.blueandsilverreport.com/2009/07/28/the-vrr-cowboys-2009-rookie-class-is-almost-signed/

The issue isn't whether we would have enough rookie pool money to sign him... As Adam has said we used about $750,000 to sign our picks.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2770907&postcount=170

The issue is that, according to the CBA the 49ers cannot trade the rights to Crabtree after 30 days prior to the first Sunday of the regular season.

CBA, Article XVI, Section 4(b):

If a Drafted rookie has not signed a Player Contract during the period from the date of such Draft to the thirtieth day prior to the first Sunday of the Regular Season:

(i) the Club that drafted the player may not thereafter trade to another Club either its exclusive negotiating rights to such player or any Player Contract that it signs with such player for the player's initial league year...

So hypothetically, if we were to try to do this, we would have to do it by August 14th.

 

[Biggems]

If Eddie still owned the team, Crabtree would already be in camp. York is a tight penny pincher.

 

[Dawgs0916]

Biggems, is it not ridiculous to you, that UT lost twice in the past 7 years to us, and had two other extreme down to the wire games, when quite frankly, you guys have the pick of the litter of Texas?

Try to recruit people to come play in Lubbock, Texas. It isn't easy.

Yet there we are year after year with inferior players, playing the big boys. The run of dominance is coming to an end.

But I respect your honest opinion a lot more than these other unabashed homers who roll their eyes at anything not UT.

 

[Biggems]

Biggems, is it not ridiculous to you, that UT lost twice in the past 7 years to us, and had two other extreme down to the wire games, when quite frankly, you guys have the pick of the litter of Texas?

Try to recruit people to come play in Lubbock, Texas. It isn't easy.

Yet there we are year after year with inferior players, playing the big boys. The run of dominance is coming to an end.

But I respect your honest opinion a lot more than these other unabashed homers who roll their eyes at anything not UT.

You beat us twice in Lubbock. You beat OU in Lubbock. You guys play awesome at home. However, on the road, you guys don't play half as well. I hate when UT has to go to Lubbock. You guys get all the calls, all the bounces, all the breaks. It is insane. It is like watching the Steelers in Pittsburgh or OU in Norman.

That game last year sucked. Orakpo got hurt early and had to leave. Cosby got hurt early and had to leave. WRs were dropping passes left and right. Our OL wasn't blocking for anything. We weren't even trying to run the ball in the first half. It was so bad that Shipley dropped a sure fire TD on that deep pass. Shipley hadn't really dropped anything all year. Then we come back and take the lead, but we leave too much time on the clock. I have no idea why we snapped the ball so soon on that play. We had at least 15 seconds left on the play clock to burn. Then our defense let's you guys march down the field. We get a huge break on the tipped ball, but Gideon lets it fall right through his hands. 8 seconds away from a perfect season and a chance to play in the Big 12 Championship game and the National Championship Game....I figured yall would kick the FG there and win it. Instead you threw it to Crabtree and he scored. I cannot believe the safety went behind Crab on the play, instead of between him and the end zone. Then all they would have had to do was hold him in bounds for two seconds and then push him out. UT would have won.

At least this year OU has to go to Lubbock and we get the Raiders in Austin.

 

[Dawgs0916]

And all of that, with inferior 2, 3 and 4 star recruits.

The point is you guys have the city, the history, and the facilities that recruits salivate over.

We have podunk Lubbock, Texas. And awesome uniforms lol.

 

[DallasCowpoke]

And all of that, with inferior 2, 3 and 4 star recruits.

The point is you guys have the city, the history, and the facilities that recruits salivate over.

We have podunk Lubbock, Texas. And awesome uniforms lol.

Don't forget the loose coeds, you left those out.

 

[Dawgs0916]

Raider Rash?

What?

 

[Biggems]

The reason you are competitive is Leach. His offensive system gives opposing defenses fits, especially in that hostile environment in Lubbock.

Still, do not be dilusional to believe that TT is anywhere close to the status of UT or OU. Those two are still far and away the cream of the crop in the Big 12.

A school similar to TT is KSU. Now that Snyder is back, I look at them as favorites to win the Big 12 North. He always had those kids playing tough. I know they have given UT fits recently.