Dallas versus 49ers ...you do the Math!

[morasp]

He just wants to downplay the Cowboys because the Fecals are tied with us. Boy you know the eagles and raiders sure look almost, ...oh whats the word... Oh, parallel...

He's trying those jedi mind tricks again. Has anyone pointed out that McNabb, Owens, and Westbrook are all nicked up.

 

[Justis]

Justis, you were doing alright up to the ..."What is the difference between the niners 4 years ago and any other team, besides the uniforms?" comment.

Read that both critically and carefully to see if that what you are really trying to relay.

Very well, what is the difference between the niners four years ago and any other team four years ago compared to the niners today, besides the uniforms.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

It still doesnt make sense. Since we've basically been a scrub team the last few years how could the Niners not be one also since as you point out.. the stats are pretty close.

Admit it dude.. all you're trying to say is you spanked em by 40 last week and if we dont similarly dominate them it just shows that we still arent anywhere near as good as you guys. Right?

You've got real skills DC -- It sounds like you're smarter than some...so I won't
try to pull any wool Over your eyes (an expression meaning to full you with some BS).

You don't quite have to "spank" the 9ers (as we did), but I think you need to beat them convincingly to show credibility -- especially after most here have been indicating other than me ..."the 49ers are scrubs!" I don't buy the "scrubs" theory, the automatic win concept, or the we want it more theory. I think the owboys had better play some hard-nosed football on both sides of the ball for 60 minutes! And you'd better have you Kicker ready for action -- I think you'll need him.

That's as straight as you'll get it.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

[

QUOTE=kmd24]Given the fact that 2003 was the year that both teams started jettisoning players, your numbers are meaningless.

[/QUOTE]

Listen KMD24, numbers are never meaningless! One may not agree with the findings, one may even deny the outcomes, but numbers merely state fact. One may believe that these number indicate one thing, while others see something else.

If you believe these numbers are indeed meaningless, you need to count again. Because a team either gets better via stas, or they improve. One of those teams has improved -- you figure it out. If you can

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

good game last week guys. Seriously. It was a damn good game.

That's awfully big of you to commend the Cowboys for giving the game to you as an early 1-point Xmas present. I detect just a wee bit of sarcasm ...mayb, no?

Wipe that smile off your face. I can tell you this...you may find a way to win when you play the Eagles, and you may not, but there will be no givaways on that ride to the playoffs -- you can believe that!

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

You had to know the type of reaction this post would incite. Comparing the 49ers to the Cowboys and trying to draw a "parallel" conveniently right after a heartbreaker loss to the Foreskins.

Kily, if you don't believe comparing the Cowboys to the 9ers; or any team you're about to play, is a healthy exercise that's your business, think what
you don't want. But if you don't believe that the Cowboys coaching staff watch film on the 9ers, and if you don't believe they discuss comparisons, and if you don't believe they do "chalk-talk," then you don't know football.

Maybe you aren't an idiot
you are an instigator

It's easy to throw accusations and name slinging back and forth at each other, fruitless, but easy. I choose not to play that game with anyone. No names, not personal, I appreciate you're giving me the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not an instigator either.

If one has to resort to name calling, they've already lost their argument (perhaps not the battle, you understand!).

Name calling is so ignorant -- would you not necessarily agree? Believe in keeping it football

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Are you aware that the Cowboys franchise was in existence for only the last of the Eagles' championships? And that they had exactly 10 years to win the old NFL championship before the NFL-AFL merger?

Yeah, so? History was already made prior to your franchise -- it happened and theirs nothing that can be done about changing that. The future can be manipulated!

Which is the greater measure of futility? I'd say 0-10 for an expansion team (which managed three CG appearances in those 10 years) is a far less futile record than 0-39 by a team in existence since well before the inception of the Superbowl.

Useless point -- perhaps pointless.

Incidentally, many would agree that the NFL championship was easier to win than a Superbowl. There were only ten teams in 1948 and 1949 and 13 in 1960

I'll not defend a position that cannot be proven. The number of franchises does not denote the qualtity of the franchise(s). I would have thought that the number of superstars depicted in the HOL during that time era would have given you a clue to that.

Here's a question for a football Intelligent fan ...

I think I'll star another thread regarding that subject. Thanks.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

...Because the alternative is, we're better....and getting better....Which an Eagles fan surely can not tolerate.

Can't speak for every Eagle fan -- didn't know you could! But this Eagle fan would like to see the strongest competition possible. It only qualifies winning for the best team that day!

Makes me happy just to know you posted this information. It means we're on your mind...you have a fear

Yep! You and every other opponent are potentially on my mind -- because you are the opponent! Dah!

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Very well, what is the difference between the niners four years ago and any other team four years ago compared to the niners today, besides the uniforms.

Ask the Rams!

 

[Vman]

Can't speak for every Eagle fan -- didn't know you could! But this Eagle fan would like to see the strongest competition possible. It only qualifies winning for the best team that day!

Yep! You and every other opponent are potentially on my mind -- because you are the opponent! Dah!

Nothing to see here. Move along...

 

[Rack]

Pheonix, is it really that difficult to open another window and get all your quotes/replies done in ONE post?

It's not rocket science. I think even an eagle fan can handle it.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Where exactly did you pick up this "Good Hunting" thing ? Just put it in your sig if you are going to reference it so often.

A lot of responses to this thread are very interesting.

I think that all Eagles fans hold on to Championships prior to their being a superbowl, why is that.

Not trying to come off like an A-hole but seriously why ?

 

[Rack]

Where exactly did you pick up this "Good Hunting" thing ? Just put it in your sig if you are going to reference it so often.

A lot of responses to this thread are very interesting.

I think that all Eagles fans hold on to Championships prior to their being a superbowl, why is that.

Not trying to come off like an A-hole but seriously why ?

Isn't it obvious? It's all they've got.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Where exactly did you pick up this "Good Hunting" thing ? Just put it in your sig if you are going to reference it so often.

Well SaT,

I've been using the expression "good hunting" for a while now. It represents my respect for an opponents ability to wager their skills competively. While it has a strong value, I believe it is too generic for a sig. For example: Having close friends wrapped around you and those whom you trust, aren't always the keys to success -- sometimes you have to rely of former rivals -- at least you know their capabilities.

I think that all Eagles fans hold on to Championships prior to their being a superbowl, why is that.

We learned that lesson from another fan base. Speaking of another fan base and Superbowl Championships, I have to respect the way the Skins "hold on to their Championships" and remain humble about it. What is it "3" SB Championships? Perhaps the Eagles have been too humble about their NFL Championship victories -- thus few are even aware of the accomplishments. [you may want to read my new Thread -- I'll send it out today].

 

[Justis]

Ask the Rams!

They say you're reaching for a point

 

[kmd24]

Listen KMD24, numbers are never meaningless! One may not agree with the findings, one may even deny the outcomes, but numbers merely state fact. One may believe that these number indicate one thing, while others see something else.

If you believe these numbers are indeed meaningless, you need to count again. Because a team either gets better via stas, or they improve. One of those teams has improved -- you figure it out. If you can

You couldn't possibly understand more about statistics than I do. I use statistics in my everday life; my livelihood depends on using numbers to predict behavior and future outcomes for complex processes.

One thing I am well aware of is that certain data must be discounted or even eliminated when the physical circumstances that generated that data are different from the context in which you wish to use the numbers for prediction.

The records, points scored, and points allowed from four years ago for two teams who have seen over 80% of their rosters change, particularly among the starters falls under the category of data that should be deeply discounted when being used to predict the outcome of this weekend's football game.

You are trying to make the numbers say something they don't. Such behavior is disingenuous at best or stupidity at worst. I'd give you credit for being disingenuous, but the evidence is mounting to the contrary.

 

[kmd24]

Yeah, so? History was already made prior to your franchise -- it happened and theirs nothing that can be done about changing that. The future can be manipulated!

The Cowboys have never won a World Series either. I'm not exactly broken up about that.

Useless point -- perhaps pointless.

I can see how a team that has existed since 1924 with such a record of futility might find it so.

I'll not defend a position that cannot be proven. The number of franchises does not denote the qualtity of the franchise(s). I would have thought that the number of superstars depicted in the HOL during that time era would have given you a clue to that.

If you cannot see that posting the best record among six teams during the regular season and winning ONE game versus a quality opponent might be, IN GENERAL, easier than posting the best record among five teams and winning THREE or FOUR games against quality opponents, then you are not very astute.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

What is it "3" SB Championships?

But if I use an Eagles "championship" mentality, it would be 5 championships.
Therefore including the pre-SB era with wins in '37 and '42.

 

[GTiRacer06]

you wasted time color coding and putting up some of the most useless stats i've ever seen. Then you end your ******** post with "Good Hunting."

you're such an idiot...I want to unload a deuce on your face.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

The Cowboys have never won a World Series either. I'm not exactly broken up about that.

"I'd give you credit for being disingenuous, but the evidence is mounting to the contrary" ...you said it!