Dalton is an upgrade over Dak eh?

[RonnieT24]

That sounds like more of the problem then the solution to me. I mean, you think you are telling folks something they don't know, is that it? Well, that's not it. Folks who have been watching this team for years know where and how they suck. It doesn't mean that it's OK or it's the way to go about doing business.

No one is saying it's "OK" or anything remotely similar. It's a reality with which this team has to deal is all. Maybe even take it into account when acquiring talent. Or build a team with a good o-line, strong running game and an actual defense instead of loading up at wide receiver. Just a thought. We all know Jerry will have to hit bottom before he does it.. but we can hope. 2-14 might just do the trick.

 

[thechosen1n2]

That is the point. 32 won't get it done so paying a guy a record deal to score 32 and lose is crazy. I wouldn't pay Mahomeboy that either if he couldn't win it. That's the point.

ABQ - It wont get it done in this situation, but in most cases it will. The defense, is not good, and I dont know why. It has some talent. It should not be this bad. but getting rid of your QB that you know can put those numbers will not ensure the defense gets better. Tell me how getting rid of your QB makes the Defense better. Who are you going to go get. The quickest route is getting the Defense where they allow 20 to 24 points a game while still putting up you offensive stats.

But you dont seem to like that game plan. So what is yours. Get rid of Dak, and then do what??

 

[Roadtrip635]

 

[thechosen1n2]

The team has fallen apart because we don't have any starters along the OL. The team has fallen apart because we have a bunch of young guys playing on the D side of the ball, the team has fallen apart because that type of behavior has been acceptable in Dallas since Parcells left the building. It may or may not be true that Dak was the only thing holding the team together but if it is, then why did we have a losing record before he left? We were playing like crap before Dak ever went to IR. I just think this is a bigger problem then Dak but it doesn't help that we have a new Coaching Staff, new D and O etc. and no time to get it down before the season started.

JMO

Dak doesnt play defense. Dak was doing his job even with the OLine playing musical chairs. Well next year you get Martin, Smith, Collins back. The line should be Top 4 to 7. Now all we have to do is focus on Defense and draft a few oline backups to groom. The Oline can be fixed fairly quickly with everyone coming back.

Sign Dak and get rid of some of the huge cap hit that comes with the franchise..

Maybe Trade Gallup or Amari.(if someone will take him)...Dak doesnt need all 3 to be successful. IT all depends on what the cap looks like.

On Defense we lost LVE (smith always does too and is out of place without him or Lee) Lee hasnt been there. You lost Gerald McCoy. Poe is just trash.

FIRE MIKE NOLON!!! He may be the fall guy but a head has to roll.

Gallimore, Gregory, Lawrence, Woods is okay to build off of. I bring Aldon Smith back one more year cause he hasnt been quite good enough to warrant a big payday and he should be better and in more football shape after 1 year and an off season. Draft CB, Safety and a LB Early. 1 step away Diggs will be better next year. If they draft well this Defense could improve dramatically.

 

[5Stars]

Dak...please, get up, you are the savior! Help me, Dak!!!

 

[DandyDon52]

Everybody who trotted out that narrative needs to lose their posting privileges for two weeks. Dalton is getting worse as time wears on not better. He was good against the Giants, terrible against the Cardinals and just plain pathetic against the Football Team. At this rate he'll need to pay the Cowboys for the right to play. I was hopeful that he would get it together as time wore on but clearly this dude is washed. May as well start the kid the rest of the way. He can't be any worse than what we're seeing out of Dalton. I cannot think of a single reason to watch this team the rest of this season.. and this comes from a guy who hasn't missed a game in 30 years. I might watch one more game.. just to see if MAYBE Sean Lee and Chido can add something to this dumpster fire of a defense.. But since neither of them plays d-line, I doubt they can provide much. At least not in the area of most need.

Sigh!

For one thing only a couple people here said dalton would be better than dak, most just said he was good enough.
But now the team has quit, or at least some of them, and the OL has gotten even worse, and.........
news flash ! they play a different defense each week, and you do realize some are better than others dont you??
There is no way to know how dak would have done against cards or wash defenses, both are fairly good, better than the ones like atlanta seattle, cleveland.
Dak only scored 17 in rams game, why?? better defense.
So andy is facing bad OL, worst in last 6 years, players quitting and better defenses.
He threw a perfect pass to lamb, hit him in the numbers, and lamb dropped it!
Dalton only threw one bad pass, in wash game, the one to ewok that was tipped up and int, that should have been in front of him not behind.
it is also only his 2nd game, good grief it takes time to get in a groove and learn the wr's, I said 3 games to do that, but add in the bad OL
and dallas isnt max protecting, like they should, give the ol some help from te and rb.
So with a team this bad dalton was doing ok for his 2nd game.

 

[DandyDon52]

Yeah, take another cheap shot at Andy Dalton; go right ahead.
Now the Cowboys players showed without a doubt how much they've been supporting him. They didn't show any concern whatsoever when a cheap shot knocked him out.
It would seem as if some players real agenda was to make sure nothing interfered with Dak getting a long-term extension, and they were willing to tank it to make sure Dalton didn't have success.
It is classless, and seems to point out far bigger issues within the organization- as well as the league.
The Cowboys team is in shambles, mostly because the players seem to have "more important" issues on their minds besides playing football.

that is what i was thinking. it is possible. So hard to do good when team mates dont want you to.

I am hoping dinucci plays this week, and then pick between him and dalton for the pitt game.
Pitt has a really good defense, so I would not want to be qb in that game lol.
even if dak were still qb pitt would blow them out.

 

[Aftershock]

that is what i was thinking. it is possible. So hard to do good when team mates dont want you to.

Yes... our OL made up of rookies and a WR core of rookie CD Lamb and contract year Gallup all (who are trying to prove themselves as rookies) secretly conspired in a meeting room to ensure they throw the game to make Dalton look bad and help Dak get a contract... I bet Jerry Jones organized the meeting himself and offered each and everyone of them a bottle of JW Blue too..

 

[Mk2_Cowboys]

For one thing only a couple people here said dalton would be better than dak, most just said he was good enough.
But now the team has quit, or at least some of them, and the OL has gotten even worse, and.........
.

it was A LOT more than a few people.

 

[Philmonroe]

it was A LOT more than a few people.

That's a lie.

 

[RonnieT24]

That's a lie.

I already posted a list of 10 such people with the quotes of them saying it. Though to be fair some of them were clever enough to say "the offense will be better" without actually saying Dalton is better. But yeah.. there was a helluva lot more than "couple of people" expressing that sentiment. Understandably most of them have gone into hiding over the last two weeks or shifted to the "it's the online" or this new comical "it's the team conspiring against Andy" defense. And to each of them I say a hearty GTFOH!

 

[Aviano90]

Here is a nice stroll down memory lane as Cowboys fans were head-over-heels happy with the Andy Dalton signing.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/cowboys-sign-qb-andy-dalton.457614/

 

[RonnieT24]

Here is a nice stroll down memory lane as Cowboys fans were head-over-heels happy with the Andy Dalton signing.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/cowboys-sign-qb-andy-dalton.457614/

LOL... I wasn't reading the board during that time.. but that was hilarious.. Seems like a TON of people openly campaigned for Dalton over Dak.. We should all bow to their undeniable wisdom at this moment. LMAO!!!

 

[CATCH17]

Dak doesnt play defense. Dak was doing his job even with the OLine playing musical chairs. Well next year you get Martin, Smith, Collins back. The line should be Top 4 to 7. Now all we have to do is focus on Defense and draft a few oline backups to groom. The Oline can be fixed fairly quickly with everyone coming back.

Sign Dak and get rid of some of the huge cap hit that comes with the franchise..

Maybe Trade Gallup or Amari.(if someone will take him)...Dak doesnt need all 3 to be successful. IT all depends on what the cap looks like.

On Defense we lost LVE (smith always does too and is out of place without him or Lee) Lee hasnt been there. You lost Gerald McCoy. Poe is just trash.

FIRE MIKE NOLON!!! He may be the fall guy but a head has to roll.

Gallimore, Gregory, Lawrence, Woods is okay to build off of. I bring Aldon Smith back one more year cause he hasnt been quite good enough to warrant a big payday and he should be better and in more football shape after 1 year and an off season. Draft CB, Safety and a LB Early. 1 step away Diggs will be better next year. If they draft well this Defense could improve dramatically.

We have more than 1 year to go off of with Dak.

We've seen our team play a high level of defense and it doesn't mean we win the game because Dak is out there.

It's more like if they score 13 we score 10.


Dak didn't do anything this year that we haven't seen before. He passed all over 3 of the worst NFL pass defenses when we were down multiple scores with a lot of time left in the game.

 

[RonnieT24]

We have more than 1 year to go off of with Dak.

We've seen our team play a high level of defense and it doesn't mean we win the game because Dak is out there.

It's more like if they score 13 we score 10.


Dak didn't do anything this year that we haven't seen before. He passed all over 3 of the worst NFL pass defenses when we were down multiple scores with a lot of time left in the game.

Dak is the biggest reason those defenses rank as low as they do.

He put up 450 yards against the Falcons.. The next highest total they surrendered was 333.
He hung 472 on the Seahawks.. their next highest was 450
He blasted the Browns for 502 .. their next highest is 387...

Weird how two of these teams have not come within 100 yards of allowing the amount of output that Dak put up against them. All three of those defenses would be ranked several spots higher if they had faced Dalton and not Dak.

And the fallacy of the "down multiple scores" argument has been disproven over and over.. He had 180 yards in the first quarter against Cleveland.. When he was AHEAD by a TD. He was only down two scores to the Seahawks for two drives and took the lead late in that game. He seized the lead in the Giants game in the second quarter and was on his way to extending it when he got hurt.

But again.. let's not let the facts ruin a good story.. You keep peddling that narrative.. I'll keep making fun of it.

 

[CATCH17]

Dak is the biggest reason those defenses rank as low as they do.

He put up 450 yards against the Falcons.. The next highest total they surrendered was 333.
He hung 472 on the Seahawks.. their next highest was 450
He blasted the Browns for 502 .. their next highest is 387...

Weird how two of these teams have not come within 100 yards of allowing the amount of output that Dak put up against them. All three of those defenses would be ranked several spots higher if they had faced Dalton and not Dak.

And the fallacy of the "down multiple scores" argument has been disproven over and over.. He had 180 yards in the first quarter against Cleveland.. When he was AHEAD by a TD. He was only down two scores to the Seahawks for two drives and took the lead late in that game. He seized the lead in the Giants game in the second quarter and was on his way to extending it when he got hurt.

But again.. let's not let the facts ruin a good story.. You keep peddling that narrative.. I'll keep making fun of it.

They rank that low because they suck.

The Falcons, Browns, and Seahawks suck at defending the pass and it has nothing to do with Dak.

 

[RonnieT24]

They rank that low because they suck.

The Falcons, Browns, and Seahawks suck at defending the pass and it has nothing to do with Dak.

Yet somehow they manage to suck MORE when facing Dak.. The the case of the Falcons and Browns more than 120 yards a game more.. Weird how that works isn't it? Must be part of a league wide conspiracy to make Dak look good so he gets his deal.. Just like the guys on our team conspiring to play like crap with Dalton under center also to get Dak paid.. Thanks .. it all makes sense now..

 

[CATCH17]

Yet somehow they manage to suck MORE when facing Dak.. The the case of the Falcons and Browns more than 120 yards a game more.. Weird how that works isn't it? Must be part of a league wide conspiracy to make Dak look good so he gets his deal.. Just like the guys on our team conspiring to play like crap with Dalton under center also to get Dak paid.. Thanks .. it all makes sense now..

Listen.. If you don't think being down multiple scores against awful pass defenses with a lot of time left in the game running a hurry up is optimal for a QB to produce then I don't know what to say.

 

[Stash]

Listen.. If you don't think being down multiple scores against awful pass defenses with a lot of time left in the game running a hurry up is optimal for a QB to produce then I don't know what to say.

Say nothing.

Everything you have to say on the matter has been proven categorically wrong.

 

[G2]

Here is a nice stroll down memory lane as Cowboys fans were head-over-heels happy with the Andy Dalton signing.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/cowboys-sign-qb-andy-dalton.457614/

It's truly hilarious to see so many all in on Dalton. And even those that said "he's not an elite QB, but can win you games" make me chuckle. Unwilling to except he's a back up.