Dan Campbell Pulled a Bellichick

[Starstruck22]

That’s just plain wrong, so you’re excusing the confusion of sending three lineman to the ref to confuse defense? Number two ignores the fact that the number was called out over load speakers, do you have an excuse for Lions not stopping the play or acknowledging they got the number wrong? Number three is that if we have two people that reported and number 70 lines up in tackle position it’s illegal formation. The reason why this is wrong is that it’s so confusing that it’s no longer playing a man’s game but playing chess. If you want to play chess then come on over to my house and I’ll win. If you want to play football then play straight up

So you’re just saying Campbell is blameless and just an idiot. That does not comport with the facts. He is a former receiver and knows the rules and he planned the play, practiced it, and even spoke to the refs prior to the game. I dont believe something backfired. It did not work because he tried to prevent dallas from knowing who the eligible receiver was. Making excuses for Campbell who takes about biting peoples knee caps off is really ridiculous my friend. We will see mor e of this from this cheater and his reputation will suffer as a result.

 

[Starstruck22]

What Campbell "wants" is irrelevant. BY RULE, the reporting eligible receiver is announced to the defense. There was literally no way for him to keep that information from the defense.

Not sure why this is so hard for you to understand.

The other piece of this is that who is eligible and who is not is dictated by the alignment. The only reason they announce it in these cases is because there is now an ineligible number lined up in an eligible receivers spot. Somebody in the back 7 should have been wondering why an ineligible number was lined up in an eligible spot on the line. Maybe they did and assumed it was a jumbo run play, which is why they announce it to the defense, like they did.

You can criticize Campbell for the logic but you can't call him unethical.

I did not say there as any logic to what Campbell did. It was simply an attempt to prevent dallas (and obfuscate refs) from knowing who the eligible man is. Not complicated.

 

[Starstruck22]

What Campbell "wants" is irrelevant. BY RULE, the reporting eligible receiver is announced to the defense. There was literally no way for him to keep that information from the defense.

Not sure why this is so hard for you to understand.

The other piece of this is that who is eligible and who is not is dictated by the alignment. The only reason they announce it in these cases is because there is now an ineligible number lined up in an eligible receivers spot. Somebody in the back 7 should have been wondering why an ineligible number was lined up in an eligible spot on the line. Maybe they did and assumed it was a jumbo run play, which is why they announce it to the defense, like they did.

You can criticize Campbell for the logic but you can't call him unethical.

He is unethical. He tried to prevent dallas from know the eligible reviewer. This is not rocket science. Either he is a complete moron or this was orchestrated and apparently it has dna of orchestration because he spoke to refs pregame, buttering them up.

 

[Vtwin]

This is nonsense lol, he was lined up at left tackle, the only way he's eligible is if he reports

If there is nobody outside him, he is eligible if was wearing an eligible number. He has to report only because he wasn't wearing an eligible number.

Also. You can't just line up in a non-eligible spot just because you declared yourself as eligible. A TE could line up at the tackle spot and he would be an eligible receiver if he was not covered by another player on the los.

You might want to do a little research on how all this works.

 

[Vtwin]

I did not say there as any logic to what Campbell did. It was simply an attempt to prevent dallas (and obfuscate refs) from knowing who the eligible man is. Not complicated.

You clearly can't even read and comprehend a simple post. If that's what you took from my post then........ it all makes sense.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

This is what a creep Campbell is. He purposefully had two linemen talking to ref while a third lineman races in to report eligibility to PURPOSEFULLY CONFUSE the Dallas defense. This was orchestrated by Campbell who knows the rules inside and out being a former receiver. This is 100% Bill Bellichick bs that he will do anything to win (including deflating footballs, stealing calls, and other confusing plays). It did fortunately backfire and it should have.

So what I want to know is, how many of you on here agree this guy is a creep that will try to bend the rules to win?

How much any reasonable Cowboy fan would love to have him as our HC instead of Mikey Lard who still can't tell what time it is?

 

[Vtwin]

Omg, where do comments like this come from…omg…..why would we have the rule then. Omg, people?

You lack the most basic understanding of alignment and eligibility.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I have zero issue with Campbell trying this, teams look to push the rules all the time, I just don’t think he can complain when it doesn’t work out.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

This is what a creep Campbell is. He purposefully had two linemen talking to ref while a third lineman races in to report eligibility to PURPOSEFULLY CONFUSE the Dallas defense. This was orchestrated by Campbell who knows the rules inside and out being a former receiver. This is 100% Bill Bellichick bs that he will do anything to win (including deflating footballs, stealing calls, and other confusing plays). It did fortunately backfire and it should have.

So what I want to know is, how many of you on here agree this guy is a creep that will try to bend the rules to win?

I agree with you. I also think that Campbell was over aggressive, and that blew up in his face. Earlier in the game, he left 3 points on the field. He could have gotten a chip shot field goal, but went for it on fourth down, and our defense made him pay. Then those easy 3 points he missed out on came back to haunt him when he lost by one point. He should be a man and take responsibility for his own screw ups.
...
And you're right. He absolutely did try to hide his player reporting as eligible. He wanted only the ref to know that 68 was eligible, for for the Cowboys to not know. That's not how that rule is supposed to work. You have to actually get the ref's attention for that eligibility to happen. He didn't, and so that player in fact was NOT eligible. Campbell's dirty trick blew up in his face. Serves him right.

 

[loublue22]

If there is nobody outside him, he is eligible if was wearing an eligible number. He has to report only because he wasn't wearing an eligible number.

Great, so I think the defense can see the number he's wearing and know he's not eligible if not announced, so your dumb argument that they "should have known" based on the alignment is dismissed.

 

[bsbellomy]

So you’re saying Decker’s name was announced??? The ref said he did not report period.

I don't think the ref knew who was reporting. If one guy is supposed to report you shouldn't run 3 lineman at him.

 

[Starstruck22]

You clearly can't even read and comprehend a simple post. If that's what you took from my post then........ it all makes sense.

Just riddle me this batman. One question. Did Campbell want Dallas to know who the eligible man is? If you believe he did, all the obfuscation makes no sense. He did not and that is the whole point. If you really believe Campbell wanted Dallas to know, this would not pass the giggle test.

 

[Vtwin]

That’s just plain wrong, so you’re excusing the confusion of sending three lineman to the ref to confuse defense? Number two ignores the fact that the number was called out over load speakers, do you have an excuse for Lions not stopping the play or acknowledging they got the number wrong? Number three is that if we have two people that reported and number 70 lines up in tackle position it’s illegal formation. The reason why this is wrong is that it’s so confusing that it’s no longer playing a man’s game but playing chess. If you want to play chess then come on over to my house and I’ll win. If you want to play football then play straight up

I am excusing the theater of sending three lineman to the ref. It's gamemanship that can have no affect on any outcomes IF the officials do their job.

I'm not saying the play should have stood. I am just saying that all this pearl clutching about unethical cheating is ridiculous.

 

[FanofJerry]

Hate to spoil all the righteous indignation here, but NFL rules allow for more than one player to report as eligible. It appears the officials were not clear on this rule and that is why the crew is likely to be downgraded and punished.

You may be right...Im not looking up the factual rules...

But Campbell in his post presser said that only one guy can be designated. Or did I hear that wrong.

Also...if the plan was not to just confuse Dallas defense...but to shame the refs into picking up the flag by claiming 2 or the 3 players that approached refs(70 didnt even really approach but just ran by) were claiming to be designated and pointing the finger at the refs as being at fault for being confused(by design from Campbell)..then that is cheating.

If that was the plan...then starstruck is right. Its makes the league smell bad

 

[Vtwin]

Just riddle me this batman. One question. Did Campbell want Dallas to know who the eligible man is? If you believe he did, all the obfuscation makes no sense. He did not and that is the whole point. If you really believe Campbell wanted Dallas to know, this would not pass the giggle test.

I already answered this question.

So by this logic, play action is cheating? And.... OMG a direct snap to the RB is cause for banishment.

lol

Enjoy the games this afternoon.

 

[Starstruck22]

Again for the obtunded. A fake punt, an unexpected onside kick, pre snap motion, misdirection all ethical and rule bound activity. Planning and calling a play to purposely prevent dallas from knowing and defending all receiver on the field is defrauding your opposition. Yes I believe that was Campbells intent unfortunately. We do have cheaters and scammers coming out of the woodwork in every phase of life and not a stretch at all. If this was the case history will support this as we watch Campbells coaching career and this is not a particularly good sign going forward.

 

[Starstruck22]

You may be right...Im not looking up the factual rules...

But Campbell in his post presser said that only one guy can be designated. Or did I hear that wrong.

Also...if the plan was not to just confuse Dallas defense...but to shame the refs into picking up the flag by claiming 2 or the 3 players that approached refs(70 didnt even really approach but just ran by) were claiming to be designated and pointing the finger at the refs as being at fault for being confused(by design from Campbell)..then that is cheating.

If that was the plan...then starstruck is right. Its makes the league smell bad

Of course it is cheating..omg

 

[Vtwin]

Great, so I think the defense can see the number he's wearing and know he's not eligible if not announced, so your dumb argument that they "should have known" based on the alignment is dismissed.

lol

It was a long time ago but take a quess on how the secondary I played on was coached to find our man in man to man coverage?

That's right. By counting and determining who was on the line and who was off the line. It is specifically determined in the rule book.

Football 101.
You're dismissed.

 

[Starstruck22]

I already answered this question.

So by this logic, play action is cheating? And.... OMG a direct snap to the RB is cause for banishment.

lol

Enjoy the games this afternoon.

You are simple not getting it. I said repeatedly pre snap motion, misdirection, fake punt, qb cadence change, unexpected onside kick, play action, you name it. All within the rules. Preventing by deception and obfuscation dallas from knowing who is eligible (which is their right by rule) to win the game is cheating. Anyone that continues to feign confusion over this is doing so purposefully.

 

[FanofJerry]

Of course it is cheating..omg

I mean...everyone hates refs because they can determine outcomes of games with bad calls.

I get that these teams are really facing two teams when they play...their opponent and then the refs.

But to attack the refs and confuse them so that you can basically have two lineman that can catch a pass and then blame the refs for being confused....thats just dirty play. Smart...but ruins the game.

There is a line...call me soft...but that design crossed the line. Smart...but unprofessional.