Dan Quinn still has no answer for what went wrong against the Packers

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I swear he threw that game. I get the daggers being thrown towards the offense and they are deserved but the scheme on defense was ridiculous to the point where it looked like the team was intentionally losing. Soft zone coverage? 6 men in the box against two TE sets? All while down double digits. Really?
:hammer:Very bad optics.
Bob: How the heck did you guys suck?
Dan: Lots of front money from my new employer.
 

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The defense got marched on immediately out the gate to start the game lol
I get the anger for the total dog crap the offense put up in that game. I really do.

What I don't get is all the excuses some people give the D when GB WON THE TOSS, ELECTED TO RECEIVE AND METHODICALLY DROVE 75 YARDS DOWN THE FIELD FOR A TD.

Not only that, but scored TDs on 6 of their first 7 drives. 4 of which were of 75+ long drives.

But ya ... The defense ONLY played poorly because the offense didn't show up.
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So what happened the previous two years with Dak and the defense against the 49ers? Or even this year?
Dak choked hard against the 49ers last playoff game. He was the primary reason for that loss. The defense that game did enough to win in that playoff game. Does that mean he was the only reason for the loss against GB? Not at all. But against the 49ers two years ago, he wasn't the only reason though he did choke then as well. Why are you defending the rest of the team when the entire team choked against GB? Anyone with eyes can see it wasn't just Dak choking out there. Admittedly, this team is going nowhere with Dak at the helm. He's a choker plain and simple, but that doesn't excuse the rest of the team for choking too. See how that works? It's called accountability and it isn't just for one player on a team.
 

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Dak choked hard against the 49ers last playoff game. He was the primary reason for that loss. The defense that game did enough to win in that playoff game. Does that mean he was the only reason for the loss against GB? Not at all. But against the 49ers two years ago, he wasn't the only reason though he did choke then as well. Why are you defending the rest of the team when the entire team choked against GB? Anyone with eyes can see it wasn't just Dak choking out there. Admittedly, this team is going nowhere with Dak at the helm. He's a choker plain and simple, but that doesn't excuse the rest of the team for choking too. See how that works? It's called accountability and it isn't just for one player on a team.
the team feeds off of dak, if he's choking and going into flight mode the team can see it. he's no leader.

How many good basketball teams have a choker at point guard? That's what he's like a point guard who can score and produce against poor teams. no difference. He chokes and goes into total shock and fear against good defenses.
 

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the team feeds off of dak, if he's choking and going into flight mode the team can see it. he's no leader.

How many good basketball teams have a choker at point guard? That's what he's like a point guard who can score and produce against poor teams. no difference. He chokes and goes into total shock and fear against good defenses.
But rather than step up like men, the rest of the team wilts and chokes too. One does not excuse the other. Sure you desperately need to replace that "point guard choke-artist" but it doesn't excuse the rest of the team's play.
 

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The answer is simple. He took interviews before the game, and had a job offer he wanted before we played. We suddenly did zone coverage, and it looked ugly. I wonder if something went on that we don't know about that ticked him off? It looked like a thrown game to me. No adjustments at halftime. just running out the same garbage off coverage zone the whole game.
 

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But rather than step up like men, the rest of the team wilts and chokes too. One does not excuse the other. Sure you desperately need to replace that "point guard choke-artist" but it doesn't excuse the rest of the team's play.
They’ve stepped up plenty of times. As I’ve said multiple times, there are going to be games in the playoffs when things are going to crap, but the ELITE and GOOD QBs actually step and carry the team. Dak doesn’t even do that on regular season. He’s awful playing from behind. Not every game is going to be a defensive battle. Shoot-outs in todays NFL are a dime a dozen.. And the one time they needed Dak to not choke and lead, he is the forerunner in garbage play.
 

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The answer is simple. He took interviews before the game, and had a job offer he wanted before we played. We suddenly did zone coverage, and it looked ugly. I wonder if something went on that we don't know about that ticked him off? It looked like a thrown game to me. No adjustments at halftime. just running out the same garbage off coverage zone the whole game.
Jordan Love was diving up man coverage the whole season and was mediocre against zone.
 

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Dan Quinn: "Well, I was FAR more concerned about MY game plan for the upcoming Head Coaching interviews than for this game. I mean, the Cowboys were my past at that point, and who cares about the past? I was concerned with my future."
 

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Jordan Love was diving up man coverage the whole season and was mediocre against zone.
Early in the season he had more struggles against zone. Later he was improving. I'm fine with trying zone, but it wasn't working at all. If your defensive success is predicated on putting pressure on the QB, then sitting 10 yards off the receivers in zone coverage is not a good way to achieve that. More frustrating was coming out the 2nd half and repeating the process.
 

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They’ve stepped up plenty of times. As I’ve said multiple times, there are going to be games in the playoffs when things are going to crap, but the ELITE and GOOD QBs actually step and carry the team. Dak doesn’t even do that on regular season. He’s awful playing from behind. Not every game is going to be a defensive battle. Shoot-outs in todays NFL are a dime a dozen.. And the one time they needed Dak to not choke and lead, he is the forerunner in garbage play.
Dude, I'm not disagreeing with you about Dak. He's a choker. He's inadequate when it matters. But he's not the only reason for the loss. NOBODY stepped up when it mattered against GB. Anyone who puts it squarely on his shoulders has an agenda. Yes, he choked hard. Yes, this team is going nowhere with him, but there's an underlying culture problem with this team and there has been for almost three decades. Dak has been the QB for 8 seasons. What's the excuse for the team before that? Stop defending these pampered slackers by placing all of the blame on just one guy.
 

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Early in the season he had more struggles against zone. Later he was improving. I'm fine with trying zone, but it wasn't working at all. If your defensive success is predicated on putting pressure on the QB, then sitting 10 yards off the receivers in zone coverage is not a good way to achieve that. More frustrating was coming out the 2nd half and repeating the process.
He was destroying man coverage…. He was average against zone, but unlike our joke of a QB who is going into year 9 and still can’t throw against zone, stepped up. To argue it was a dumb strategy by Quinn without logic is completely baseless.
 

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He was destroying man coverage…. He was average against zone, but unlike our joke of a QB who is going into year 9 and still can’t throw against zone, stepped up. To argue it was a dumb strategy by Quinn without logic is completely baseless.
59% pass rush win rate. #1 in the NFL. That is not baseless. You don't let teams change how you play, you make them change how they play. Instead of making it hard on receivers to get open and giving our front a chance to alter the play, we sagged off every receiver. It was a garbage strategy period.
 

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59% pass rush win rate. #1 in the NFL. That is not baseless. You don't let teams change how you play, you make them change how they play. Instead of making it hard on receivers to get open and giving our front a chance to alter the play, we sagged off every receiver. It was a garbage strategy period.
did the man coverage against the 49ers this year? They also played zone against the Dolphins and did pretty good, though Tua is over-rates garbage and missed quite a few easy throws.

All of these offenses are from the Shanahan tree..

Also 3 of Love’s passing TDs were against man coverage. They GOT BURNED in mak coverage as well. In fact, it’s a myth that they were so reliant on zone they forgot man. I just read a stat that said we played man through 3 quarters around 38% of the time, which was high and there average through the season.

Love, unlike Dak, ate our defense apart. We couldn’t pressure and their run game killed us.
 

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did the man coverage against the 49ers this year? They also played zone against the Dolphins and did pretty good, though Tua is over-rates garbage and missed quite a few easy throws.

All of these offenses are from the Shanahan tree..

Also 3 of Love’s passing TDs were against man coverage. They GOT BURNED in mak coverage as well. In fact, it’s a myth that they were so reliant on zone they forgot man. I just read a stat that said we played man through 3 quarters around 38% of the time, which was high and there average through the season.

Love, unlike Dak, ate our defense apart. We couldn’t pressure and their run game killed us.
The lack of pressure was so frustrating. I think DE and DT is way undervalued this offseason. Maybe Mazi shows improvement, but I'd never put all my eggs in one basket. As always, good convo with you. Have a good rest of your day!
 
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