Dat Dude on Mike & Mike

[Hostile]

The discussion was about Parcells going to Atlanta. Wiley gave Parcells a lot of credit for evaluating talent, but took a couple of shots at him for his coaching.

He said Parcells is an Xs and Os guy and he doesn't explain the Ys. For those that missed it, y=why. He doesn't explain why plays are designed. You just do it or face his wrath.

He said Parcells treated players Jerry wanted differently. He mentioned himself, and TO. He gave him credit for helping build the team, but said Wade Phillips is out coaching him.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Insert obligatory, he's just bitter - what does he know post.

 

[Hostile]

Insert obligatory, he's just bitter - what does he know post.

Yeah, except he wasn't. He talked about his initial meeting with Parcells. Parcells asked him if he was on drugs. He then said that early in TC Parcells told him he was more effective against the run and was no longer an elite pass rusher. He then said that he pulled away and that it wasn't until he was in Jacksonville that he realized Parcells was right. Said as a talent guy there is no one better.

 

[rathalarge]

'Dat Dude' was right on target with what he said!! The record and players' attitude speaks for itself, but I Thank 'Big Bill' for rebuilding us!

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Yes, just got into work and was listening to him on the way.

Marcellus Wiley even used the phrase "Civil War" when he made the statement, "Everybody in Dallas knew there was a Civil War going on. You were either a Bill Parcells guy or a Jerry Jones guy. Like Terrell Owens, I was a Jerry Jones guy."

To continue, Wiley also said that Bill Parcells was actually coaching players that he didn't want. Wiley said that his rebellion against Bill Parcells actually started in Training Camp.

Furthermore, Wiley also stated that at one point Parcells even called him into his office and asked him was he on drugs. He stated that Bill Parcells would beat him down and tell him he didn't have anything left in the tank and that destroyed his confidence. At some point in the Season, Bill Parcells pulled him off of third downs.

Wiley makes some good points, but he never really produced here and I think that had alot to do with the toxic relationship he and Parcells had. Of course, his open rebellion against Parcells didn't help much either.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I do think Parcells was harder on players that he necessarily didn't want, but only if his reservations about you proved to be right. For instance, he didn't want Dat Dude, and when Dat Dude turned out suck as bad as he suspected I'm sure he pretty much viewed him as a lost cause. He sucked under Del Rio too, and he sucked the year before in San Diego. He didn't want TO because he thought he was a distraction and a primadonna, and he was all those things last year. Henson was likely a Jerry decisions, and a lot of people accused Henson of "never getting a chance" under Parcells, but the truth is Henson sucked. On the other hand, much has been made about how Parcells supposedly didn't want Ware, but I witnessed first hand Parcells spending a ton of time individually with Ware in his first training camp. He saw something with Ware, and it didn't matter if it was "his guy" or not.

As far as not telling you the "Y"s ... well there are a lot of successful coaches who use that approach. Including one that is coaching a 14-0 football team.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

It would be interesting to see how many players that people said "Never got a fair shake under Parcells because he didn't like them" actually panned out in the NFL?

Based on memory, I don't think alot of them did.

 

[Hostile]

As far as not telling you the "Y"s ... well there are a lot of successful coaches who use that approach. Including one that is coaching a 14-0 football team.

Totally disagree with you on this. Tedy Bruschi once told me that Belicheck is so thorough in breaking things down that you can understand exactly what he expects of you and why.

 

[Apollo Creed]

BP had so much pride that he would never hire a coordinator that could challenge his philosophy, and he would despise players that he didn't 'shop' for. So he hired puppet coordinators and made awkward relationships with the Jerry players. I'll tell ya, that's an environment very condusive for success.

 

[InmanRoshi]

BP had so much pride that he would never hire a coordinator that could challenge his philosophy, and he would despise players that he didn't 'shop' for.

If it weren't for the fact that he let Zimmer run his 4-3 the first two years here and that he loved Demarcus Ware, you might have a point.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Totally disagree with you on this. Tedy Bruschi once told me that Belicheck is so thorough in breaking things down that you can understand exactly what he expects of you and why.

There's a difference between breaking things down in explanation and letting the players do their own thing. You said Wiley's problem with Parcells was you did things his way or you faced his wrath. In New England, you do things Belichick's way or you face his wrath. He's not going to change the way he does things just because you don't think it suits your individual self perceived greatness. Brandon Merriweather is finding that out the hard way this year.

 

[Apollo Creed]

If it weren't for the fact that he let Zimmer run his 4-3 the first two years here, you might have a point.

Didn't that same 4-3 lead the league in defense one of those years? You can't make wholesale scheme changes until you draft and develop enough players - he had no choice but to stay with the 4-3 until we got some guys to plug the middle and raise hell off the edge.

 

[superpunk]

If it weren't for the fact that he let Zimmer run his 4-3 the first two years here and that he loved Demarcus Ware, you might have a point.

You seem to have forgotten the cardinal principle of Parcells-bashing.

He owes all his credit to his assistants....who he stifled, and wouldn't allow to breathe.

It makes sense with meth.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Didn't that same 4-3 lead the league in defense one of those years? You can't make wholesale scheme changes until you draft and develop enough players - he had no choice but to stay with the 4-3 until we got some guys to plug the middle and raise hell off the edge.

True.

However, the 2003 Cowboys were the benefactors of a very soft schedule.

Although they played with some heart and a bit above themselves, that defense was extremely overrated and was quite predictable towards the bottom end of the schedule.

Miami proved that on Thanksgiving Day. Even though we beat Carolina in Carolina, they exposed us in the Playoffs as well.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

hey, he admited BP was right....gotta give him props for that

 

[Apollo Creed]

True.

However, the 2003 Cowboys were the benefactors of a very soft schedule.

Although they played with some heart and a bit above themselves, that defense was extremely overrated and was quite predictable towards the bottom end of the schedule.

Miami proved that on Thanksgiving Day. Even though we beat Carolina in Carolina, they exposed us in the Playoffs as well.

Haven't heard that before about a BP coached club.

 

[CATCH17]

Dat Dudes career was over when he came to Big D anyways.

 

[joseephuss]

Wiley provided some great insight. The media seem to deal in extremes a lot of times. "Parcells deserves all the credit. No, Phillips deserves all the credit." They both deserve credit for the different things they brought to the organization. It is difficult for some in the media to view it in that fashion.

Wiley gave both guys credit with Phillips getting a little more because he is the current coach. That is the way I see it, too. For all the good Parcells did and there was a lot, he is not here this season. That job is Phillips'. Know one in the media would/will be blaming Parcells if Dallas doesn't win it all. It will all be Phillips' fault. You probably won't hear that it was Parcells who picked these players that are good, but can't win a Superbowl or lost in the first round or whatever.

 

[big dog cowboy]

He then said that early in TC Parcells told him he was more effective against the run and was no longer an elite pass rusher.

I thought that was the reason we signed him.

 

[Woods]

Wiley provided some great insight. The media seem to deal in extremes a lot of times. "Parcells deserves all the credit. No, Phillips deserves all the credit." They both deserve credit for the different things they brought to the organization. It is difficult for some in the media to view it in that fashion.

Wiley gave both guys credit with Phillips getting a little more because he is the current coach. That is the way I see it, too. For all the good Parcells did and there was a lot, he is not here this season. That job is Phillips'. Know one in the media would/will be blaming Parcells if Dallas doesn't win it all. It will all be Phillips' fault. You probably won't hear that it was Parcells who picked these players that are good, but can't win a Superbowl or lost in the first round or whatever.

Agree with you on all points.

As for me, I'm glad we had BP for the time we did, but I'm also glad he left when he did. I don't think BP had much left in the tank and I don't think BP could get as much out of this team and players as Wade has thus far.