Dat Dude on Mike & Mike

[khiladi]

FA's. Jerrah or Wade did good this year. Bigg and Hamlin were quality pickups. BUT prior to that Jerrah's record on FA's was not all that good. Glover is the only one outside of TO that really produced.

Who produced with Parcells during his tenure here? His first year was his best record, and that wasn't with his players. And if people want to talk about strength of schedule, our strength of schedule hasn't been that tough during Parcell's whole tenure. He had one decent season with his players, and they collapsed in December. Bradie James was getting abused every game last year in December.

We are producing with Wade Phillips here... maybe a lot of our lack of success has to do with coaching, even coaching average players that we belive with Wade have suddenly become all pro-talents.... cue in Wiley here....

 

[superpunk]

Sack-wise maybe... But Wiley absolutely destroyed his mark on assists at San Diego the year prior at Buffalo by 15, with Wade as coach.

 

[khiladi]

Pardon the verbosity

I'm just saying that Wiley had 15 more assists in Buffalo the year before he went to San Diego... obviously, they were a swarming defense... a 2.5 sack difference can easily be attributed to Wiley getting a .5 sack here and there at Buffalo with Wade as coach...

the point is Wiley always sucked... Wiley owes Wade a cut of the money he made after leaving Buffalo for free-agency...

 

[superpunk]

Pardon the verbosity

I'm just saying that Wiley had 15 more assists in Buffalo the year before he went to San Diego... obviously, they were a swarming defense... a 2.5 sack difference can easily be attributed to Wiley getting a .5 sack here and there at Buffalo with Wade which makes his numbers less...

This may be a message board first. I have never heard anyone use tackle-assists (which are an unofficial stat) as a statistic for performance evaluation.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I don't think there's any way to legitimately make that distinction.

No doubt.

However, I do think that other than some budgetary considerations, Jerry pretty just does what the coach wants. Jerry never denies it, because he loves to look like a football man. But I think he always leans very heavily on what his coach wants.

Heck, I even think Wade should get some credit for Hamlin and Davis. Hamlin is just like Marlon McCree in that Wade prominently mentioned the need for a "quarterback of the secondary" at safety. And Wade said he always thought more highly of Leonard Davis than most people, even going back years ago before he ever dreamed he'd have this job.

 

[khiladi]

This may be a message board first. I have never heard anyone use tackle-assists (which are an unofficial stat) as a statistic for performance evaluation.

Why not, especially considering it is logical? While it may not be official, a 15 assist difference is not an example of a wildly subjective number, especially when the next number out of a nine year career that even comes close to that is 13.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/3910/

 

[superpunk]

No doubt.

However, I do think that other than some budgetary considerations, Jerry pretty just does what the coach wants. Jerry never denies it, because he loves to look like a football man. But I think he always leans very heavily on what his coach wants.

Heck, I even think Wade should get some credit for Hamlin and Davis. Hamlin is just like Marlon McCree in that Wade prominently mentioned the need for a "quarterback of the secondary" at safety. And Wade said he always thought more highly of Leonard Davis than most people, even going back years ago before he ever dreamed he'd have this job.

Jerry and Bill were always very candid about the three-headed decision making process, and it was always made clear that Jerry had the final say. A few months ago, when people wanted to poke holes in the Davis signing, they would point to all the failed "Jerry picks", to demonstrate his incompetence. That has shifted now, because it's cool-like-peein'-the-pants to rip on Parcells, into all the players on this team who were Jerry/Payton/Rowdy decisions, to show how much Parcells hates DeMarcus Ware and Terrence Newman.

At the end of the day, it's a unit that makes decisions - and there's no way to know who really wanted what. To me, they share successes and failures as a unit - it's not determinant on how much sand one of them put in my vagoo.

Why not, especially considering it is logical? While it may not be official, a 15 assist difference is not an example of a wildly subjective number, especially when the next number out of a nine year career that even comes close to that is 13.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/3910/

I don't even know how to address this. It's like the Lewis and Clark of performance evaluation. Wiley had a better year because he helped his teammates make 15 more tackles? I'm dumbfounded.

 

[khiladi]

I don't even know how to address this. It's like the Lewis and Clark of performance evaluation. Wiley had a better year because he helped his teammates make 15 more tackles? I'm dumbfounded.

It isn't that complicated genius... There are two years that Wiley performed well out of a nine year career. His last year with Buffalo and his first year with San Diego. This performance is simply predicated on his number of sacks.

The only significant difference between those two years were in assists. You can assist on sacks as well. How many of those 10.5 sacks were a result of assists? It is obvious at least one of them were, making the number .5. And considering that he assisted unofficially on 25 tackles the year in Buffalo, it is reasonable to assume that even more of those sacks were assists.

This clearly proves that Wiley was and has always been a bum, and not really a pass rushign specialist. At Buffalo he was obviously part of an aggressive style of play, i.e. Wade's philosophy.

The point is, even Wade makes an average pass rusher look like a pro-bowler.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

The reason Parcells needs to get his type of guys is that they put up with his ****. I don't know how people thought T.O. and BP could really co-exist. Parcells refused to even call him by his name (whether it was to piss off the press or Owens, I don't know).

Parcells has had prima-donna type players in the past, I mean look at Keyshawn. But Parcells brought in Keyshawn and had a special relationship with him.

I personally think that Parcells did not add more qualified personell to his staff because he wanted to prove he was as good as Belechik.