David Helman: On Wentz around VR

[CATCH17]

I am not sure that will be the case at all after the combine, though I think Wentz will show fine and have one of the higher Wonderlichs.

Well.. There hasn't been much on tape that Lynch or Goff have shown that they could potentially do better than Wentz.

I expect the combine to confirm that Wentz just has more talent then they do.

 

[RS12]

Well.. There hasn't been much on tape that Lynch or Goff have shown that they could potentially do better than Wentz.

I expect the combine to confirm that Wentz just has more talent then they do.

I think all the top 3 QBs could easily bust, particularly if they are put in a bad situation like Cleveland. They all have the same floor, I just think Lynch has the highest upside. I think that based on some of the throws I have seen him make, and the fact that he lifted below average talent to 9 wins.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

JUst seems from they way Helman Broaddus and Brugler spoke about things is they think Wentz is the one thats a fit for their scheme.

I agree with you on Lynch, ive said this before if they are going to pick a Qb high id rather be it Lynch because he's played big talent and beat them. Goff has played big talent and looked avg. Wentz has played the sr bowl where most of the top talent in this draft didnt even play.

I think Lynch compares most closely to Cam Newton and Ben Roethlisberger. He's not quite the athlete that Newton is...but, I'm trying to figure out who is. However, his throwing mechanics are far better than Newton's. His footwork issues can be easily ironed out with some work and *not* playing right away. Roethlisberger is noticeably slower than Lynch, but still has that big QB that can make throws on the run.

And I just think in the short passing game is where Lynch will really shine because of size and overhand throwing motion. This isn't a knock against Romo, but we don't run the screen well and don't throw well at the goal line because of Romo's lack of height and he doesn't throw it overhand. That's why Romo is not a dink and dunk QB (again, nothing wrong with that per say). But with Lynch's height, throwing motion and tremendous arm strength, now you have a QB that can be deadly on the short throws and can make the deep passes to boot. He also has speed to use some read option and throw in some more wrinkles to the offense.







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[CATCH17]

I think all the top 3 QBs could easily bust, particularly if they are put in a bad situation like Cleveland. They all have the same floor, I just think Lynch has the highest upside. I think that based on some of the throws I have seen him make, and the fact that he lifted below average talent to 9 wins.

That's all QB's though. That position is easily the biggest risk/reward position because if you hit then it changes everything for a long time.


If you have QB's that our as talented as Wentz and from all accounts he is very football smart then I think that is a great guy to take a risk on.

Everything checks out and you just hope it translates to the NFL like with all young QB's.

 

[Rogerthat12]

We don't even talk about the other two QBs. Like they don't even exist.

Some of these insider scoops are laughable.

The Likes Collector should appreciate that the Cowboys coaches "like" him....

 

[Direwolf63]

I don't believe anybody has been ruled in or ruled out 2 and a half months before the draft. The process is just getting started.

 

[Floatyworm]

I don't remember anyone saying we wouldn't draft a RB. Just that we wouldn't reach for one if we had someone rated higher.



I wish we would've got David Johnson. I really wanted that guy in our backfield and he just looks like a budding superstar.

Are you kidding? That's all Jerry said last year.....and ticked people off.

And look what happened....he did as exactly as he said he would do. No running RB. The fact that he is telling people Romo has 3-4 more years....should scare the @#$% out of you. He's that delusional.

 

[CATCH17]

Are you kidding? That's all Jerry said last year.....and ticked people off.

And look what happened....he did as exactly as he said he would do. No running RB. The fact that he is telling people Romo has 3-4 more years....should scare the @#$% out of you. He's that delusional.

He never said he wouldn't draft a RB.

He just said he wouldn't reach for a RB.


They should've moved up for David Johnson. I was right about him.. It also looks like I was right about that no talent Ajayi as well .

 

[texbumthelife]

Who they played will have zero outcome of how they produce at the NFL level.


Wentz is the most physically gifted QB in this class and imo he will be the best.

I think Lynch has him beat by a good margin as far as being physically gifted.

 

[CATCH17]

I think Lynch has him beat by a good margin as far as being physically gifted.

Lynch moves well but nothing like Wentz. Wentz has incredible feet in the pocket. Also Wentz's release is lightning quick. Lynch does a windmill release.

I don't think Lynch has the playmaking potential that Wentz has.

 

[texbumthelife]

Lynch moves well but nothing like Wentz. Wentz has incredible feet in the pocket. Also Wentz's release is lightning quick. Lynch does a windmill release.

I don't think Lynch has the playmaking potential that Wentz has.

Lynch has 687 rushing yards and 17 rushing touchdowns in his career. Wentz may have a better feel for the pocket, but Lynch is a better runner and athlete. Lynch also seems to have the stronger arm, from everything I have seen.

Calling his release a windmill is egregious. That has nothing to do with his athletic ability though, which is what we are debating.

Between his legs and his arm, Lynch seems to be the bigger play making threat to me.

 

[LatinMind]

I think Lynch compares most closely to Cam Newton and Ben Roethlisberger. He's not quite the athlete that Newton is...but, I'm trying to figure out who is. However, his throwing mechanics are far better than Newton's. His footwork issues can be easily ironed out with some work and *not* playing right away. Roethlisberger is noticeably slower than Lynch, but still has that big QB that can make throws on the run.

And I just think in the short passing game is where Lynch will really shine because of size and overhand throwing motion. This isn't a knock against Romo, but we don't run the screen well and don't throw well at the goal line because of Romo's lack of height and he doesn't throw it overhand. That's why Romo is not a dink and dunk QB (again, nothing wrong with that per say). But with Lynch's height, throwing motion and tremendous arm strength, now you have a QB that can be deadly on the short throws and can make the deep passes to boot. He also has speed to use some read option and throw in some more wrinkles to the offense.
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I agree somewhat on Romo's height. I just think this team doesnt really put a emphasis on screens. Why? Because they have Jason witten who makes his living basically a couple yrs from where a screen would take place. This offense is primarily a 5-10 yrd passing team. I think thats why they have already met with Wentz and Dak. Because what they did in college is basically what Dallas does. Wentz playing in a west coast offense and Dak throwing that 5-10 in the flats regularly. And i think Dallas does kinda want to emulate what SEA and CAR have. A tough Dual threat QB who can hit that intermediate stuff accurately. As the draft gets closer it wouldnt suprise me if Wentz and Dak are talked about as being the targets at QB. If they even go QB

 

[cej757]

I think Denver winning the SB without a QB may have given Jerry other ideas, sadly. His M O is try and emulate whoever just won.

I still remember the days of them saying "if we can get hot in December like the Giants did we can win too".

 

[RS12]

I still remember the days of them saying "if we can get hot in December like the Giants did we can win too".

I remember 20 years of "we are one player away".

 

[AzorAhai]

Helman mustbe getting pretty good at draftniking if we wait on him to be around to talk about the QBs. I wonder if they glance over at him hoping for a subtle nod of approval.

 

[rynochop]

Demarcus Ware leaves Dallas and is still a great contributor elsewhere, playing a key role in the Broncos' championship.

We sign a proven commodity like Greg Hardy, a top-of-the-league sack guy, and once we get him, he's a disappointment?

At some point, it's time to ask ourselves if the coaches we have are putting these players in the best position to make plays.

The last year Ware was here, if he was getting in the backfield, he'd end up getting blocked completely out of the play 10 yards behind the QB. Last night he was angling in getting pressure, Simms even talked about it. That seems like a basic coaching issue. But at the same time Phillips was here then.

 

[Stash]

The last year Ware was here, if he was getting in the backfield, he'd end up getting blocked completely out of the play 10 yards behind the QB. Last night he was angling in getting pressure, Simms even talked about it.

I heard it mentioned that he said that his back issues ended up being good for him because it forced him to work on his core. Somehow, an NFL athlete in a billion dollar-plus a year business was just now realizing the importance of core training. It allowed him to bend the edge better than he ever had before.

That seems like a basic coaching issue. But at the same time Phillips was here then.

Keep in mind that Phillips was gone in 2010 and Ware had 15 sacks that year. Ware's numbers didn't plummet until the 4-3 defense came in.

What is shocking to me is now hearing from both he and Romo about their mistakes in not doing more core work when they were younger. And where were they when they were younger? Here in Dallas! How does an NFL team fail to recognize the importance of this area of fitness? How is it that two of the greatest players of the last decade are just now realizing the importance? I see no excuse for this sort of thing to be mishandled at the highest level of sports.

 

[DBOY3141]

I heard it mentioned that he said that his back issues ended up being good for him because it forced him to work on his core. Somehow, an NFL athlete in a billion dollar-plus a year business was just now realizing the importance of core training. It allowed him to bend the edge better than he ever had before.




Keep in mind that Phillips was gone in 2010 and Ware had 15 sacks that year. Ware's numbers didn't plummet until the 4-3 defense came in.

What is shocking to me is now hearing from both he and Romo about their mistakes in not doing more core work when they were younger. And where were they when they were younger? Here in Dallas! How does an NFL team fail to recognize the importance of this area of fitness? How is it that two of the greatest players of the last decade are just now realizing the importance? I see no excuse for this sort of thing to be mishandled at the highest level of sports.

Welcome to your Dallas Cowboys....the Land of No Accountability.

 

[Boom]

Of course. That is what will happen. And many of these folks will salute him for it. Then when we have nothing at QB they will cry like babies. Because then it's the here and now and they can see it. Then we'll look back at at least one of these QBs being franchise caliber but we shouldn't say anything because that's hindsight.

How intelligent is the room if you have to sell them on the importance of a QB in the NFL? You can have the greatest defense in history and you're battling an uphill climb without the QB.

I envision Garrett wanting to draft someone to help now. I don't think he'll survive an average outcome next year. If pick is a non-QB, then Jerry can just hedge things with another "I really wanted Wentz the whole time but they overruled me." excuse.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

How about the underlying issue of when teams like the Broncos sign big-money cornerbacks like Talib, it actually pays off?

And when we sign a guy like Carr, not only does he disappoint, but we've renegotiated a bad contract to make it even worse? To the point where we couldn't cut him when we wanted to?

Demarcus Ware leaves Dallas and is still a great contributor elsewhere, playing a key role in the Broncos' championship.

We sign a proven commodity like Greg Hardy, a top-of-the-league sack guy, and once we get him, he's a disappointment?

At some point, it's time to ask ourselves if the coaches we have are putting these players in the best position to make plays.

Yep. Almost every Super Bowl champion has had key veteran free agent signings. Even though New England/Denver was much different from Seattle in terms of youth, they both had strengths that were composed mainly of free agent signings. Seattle's dominant D-line that led to their strong secondary was composed primarily of free agents. Same with New England's and Denver's secondaries these past two years. We have no hope if our only dominant players are our 1st round draft picks every year. We need to land on free agents and 2nd-4th round picks too.