David Helman: On Wentz around VR

[Rogerthat12]

Of course. That is what will happen. And many of these folks will salute him for it. Then when we have nothing at QB they will cry like babies. Because then it's the here and now and they can see it. Then we'll look back at at least one of these QBs being franchise caliber but we shouldn't say anything because that's hindsight.

How intelligent is the room if you have to sell them on the importance of a QB in the NFL? You can have the greatest defense in history and you're battling an uphill climb without the QB.

I want that QB at #4 myself but I have prepared myself for this eventuality and have attempted to entertain other more realistic front office scenarios to my chagrin.

 

[fishspill]

Of course. That is what will happen. And many of these folks will salute him for it. Then when we have nothing at QB they will cry like babies. Because then it's the here and now and they can see it. Then we'll look back at at least one of these QBs being franchise caliber but we shouldn't say anything because that's hindsight.

How intelligent is the room if you have to sell them on the importance of a QB in the NFL? You can have the greatest defense in history and you're battling an uphill climb without the QB.

The story of Cowboyszone.

 

[reddyuta]

Even for VR this seems over the top.I really hope they are looking at goff and lynch too.

 

[BAT]

These people that this forum laughs at are usually right. Last yr they tiold us this team wasnt going to draft a RB. And everybody laughed.

Yes, but who laughed last. It certainly was not the Cowboys or their fans. We are just fortunate that McFadden had an injury free season. And DMC is closer to 30, the death knell for RBs, than even Murray.

 

[arglebargle]

I assure you the Cowboys have talked about all three QBs. Even if they hate a prospect, they've talked about him. At length. People who would buy this really have no clue of the draft process.

You're literally too literal.....

 

[Bigdog]

JUst seems from they way Helman Broaddus and Brugler spoke about things is they think Wentz is the one thats a fit for their scheme.

I agree with you on Lynch, ive said this before if they are going to pick a Qb high id rather be it Lynch because he's played big talent and beat them. Goff has played big talent and looked avg. Wentz has played the sr bowl where most of the top talent in this draft didnt even play.

The only big talent that Lynch beat was Ole Miss. He played against Auburn and did not look great. I don't know what you consider big talent but Goff played against USC, Stanford, Oregon, etc. and didn't look average to me. I guess what people consider talent is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[sbark]

I don't remember anyone saying we wouldn't draft a RB. Just that we wouldn't reach for one if we had someone rated higher.
I wish we would've got David Johnson. I really wanted that guy in our backfield and he just looks like a budding superstar.

.....another FCS level player, actually out of same MVAC as Wentz.......played against each other

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Of course. That is what will happen. And many of these folks will salute him for it. Then when we have nothing at QB they will cry like babies. Because then it's the here and now and they can see it. Then we'll look back at at least one of these QBs being franchise caliber but we shouldn't say anything because that's hindsight.

How intelligent is the room if you have to sell them on the importance of a QB in the NFL? You can have the greatest defense in history and you're battling an uphill climb without the QB.

Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson saids hello

 

[IrishAnto]

How about the underlying issue of when teams like the Broncos sign big-money cornerbacks like Talib, it actually pays off?

And when we sign a guy like Carr, not only does he disappoint, but we've renegotiated a bad contract to make it even worse? To the point where we couldn't cut him when we wanted to?

Demarcus Ware leaves Dallas and is still a great contributor elsewhere, playing a key role in the Broncos' championship.

We sign a proven commodity like Greg Hardy, a top-of-the-league sack guy, and once we get him, he's a disappointment?

At some point, it's time to ask ourselves if the coaches we have are putting these players in the best position to make plays.

While I don't disagree with that view, we've been through enough coaches these last 20 years with rather similar results to make me think the real problem is the person/people appointing the coaches.

That's been the one constant.

 

[IrishAnto]

I remember 20 years of "we are one player away".

When in reality it was One Good GM away.

 

[LittleD]

From what I heard, read & watched, none of these 3 QB's are really in the top 9 of players in the draft this year.
I do expect that 2 of them will be selected in the top 5 and we pretty much know that Cleveland will be one of them.
I personally don't think that Dallas should reach for a QB at #4 but should look to trade down with the 49r's who
will be shopping for a QB. If Dallas really wants to compete for a SB chance next year they should make their
play for Ezekiel Elliott so that all the pressure can be taken off Romo to win games again and make defenses
honest again. If Garrett is going to play 90's style offense, he has to have a RB who can consistently get 4 yds
per carry. EE is the ticket if Romo is ever to kiss that trophy.

 

[IrishAnto]

From what I heard, read & watched, none of these 3 QB's are really in the top 9 of players in the draft this year.
I do expect that 2 of them will be selected in the top 5 and we pretty much know that Cleveland will be one of them.
I personally don't think that Dallas should reach for a QB at #4 but should look to trade down with the 49r's who
will be shopping for a QB. If Dallas really wants to compete for a SB chance next year they should make their
play for Ezekiel Elliott so that all the pressure can be taken off Romo to win games again and make defenses
honest again. If Garrett is going to play 90's style offense, he has to have a RB who can consistently get 4 yds
per carry. EE is the ticket if Romo is ever to kiss that trophy.

If you actually think Dallas is a good enough team then I would agree with drafting Elliott, but after last year and even with a healthy (and playing very well) Romo, I now have my doubts.

To me they should hedge their bets. Pick a QB in the 1st and maybe RB 2nd/3rd.

Also use the deep DT class to bag a decent one in the 2nd/3rd/4th (depending on the availability of the RB) along with a CB/Safety.

Keep Hardy (for the right price) and maybe make a splash on a DB in free agency.

You also might try to pick up a decent WR in free agency as well.

That way could can prepare for the cowboys post Romo and if we are in fact closer to 12-4 than 4-12 that should give us a chance next year.

 

[LittleD]

If you actually think Dallas is a good enough team then I would agree with drafting Elliott, but after last year and even with a healthy (and playing very well) Romo, I now have my doubts.

To me they should hedge their bets. Pick a QB in the 1st and maybe RB 2nd/3rd.

Also use the deep DT class to bag a decent one in the 2nd/3rd/4th (depending on the availability of the RB) along with a CB/Safety.

Keep Hardy (for the right price) and maybe make a splash on a DB in free agency.

You also might try to pick up a decent WR in free agency as well.

That way could can prepare for the cowboys post Romo and if we are in fact closer to 12-4 than 4-12 that should give us a chance next year.

That's nice but, you don't understand Jerry and his immediate desire for another championship. He will get a backup QB in free agency I think but,
he's not going to draft a QB in the first round to sit on the bench for 3 years. He's all in on Romo and he's going to stay with him at least till he plays similar to Peyton this year. You may not like it but, that is exactly what Jerry is going to do. He wants to win now and could care less about 5 years from now when he likely can't get out of the rocking chair. If you are trying to emulate the triplets like in the 90's you have to have a stud RB like
Emmitt to complete the triplets of 2016.

 

[Dhragon]

Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson saids hello

Teams who win with meh QBs are usually those who have some of the greatest defenses of all time. If you have that you can get away with the Dilfers, Flaccos (though he really got hot during the postseason with his SB run), or old Peytons. Guess what? Those type of defenses are even harder to acquire than a franchise QB and on top of that they are impossible to maintain. So they usually only can get you one Superbowl since you can't pay all 11 on defense top dollar. They are gutted soon after.

One franchise QB can make any offense pretty good even with mediocre offensive support. Defenses need top talent across the board to be Elite enough to win with a meh QB helming the team. You can pay one QB a ton to keep him and your team competitive. You can't pay 11 defenders a ton each to maintain the defense.

Trying to find yourself a franchise QB is the easier (though not easy as we all know) route to go and the longer lasting. Teams which rely on elite defense usually seem to win just a one of Superbowls, whereas elite QBs can often lead to dynasty possibilities.

Sure hope we try for the next franchise QB by taking a chance at #4 with one.

 

[IrishAnto]

That's nice but, you don't understand Jerry and his immediate desire for another championship. He will get a backup QB in free agency I think but,
he's not going to draft a QB in the first round to sit on the bench for 3 years. He's all in on Romo and he's going to stay with him at least till he plays similar to Peyton this year. You may not like it but, that is exactly what Jerry is going to do. He wants to win now and could care less about 5 years from now when he likely can't get out of the rocking chair. If you are trying to emulate the triplets like in the 90's you have to have a stud RB like
Emmitt to complete the triplets of 2016.

I could say Jerry has had an immediate desire for another championship for the last 20 years but it hasn't translated too well.

You'd like to think Stephen (the one who be taking the flack in a few years time) won't be so short sighted.

And again if they couldn't get an adequate backup QB last year, then why should anyone assume they can this year?

 

[LittleD]

I could say Jerry has had an immediate desire for another championship for the last 20 years but it hasn't translated too well.

You'd like to think Stephen (the one who be taking the flack in a few years time) won't be so short sighted.

And again if they couldn't get an adequate backup QB last year, then why should anyone assume they can this year?

It didn't work out last year and it might not work out this year or the next but, Jerry was all in last year with cap and will be again
this year too. He is going to spend all he can to get a SB try for Romo and Witten. The Cowboys need a dynamic RB and all kinds
of defense to run Marinelli's defensive scheme and I still think that's exactly what Jerry and Stephen will do this year.

 

[IrishAnto]

It didn't work out last year and it might not work out this year or the next but, Jerry was all in last year with cap and will be again
this year too. He is going to spend all he can to get a SB try for Romo and Witten. The Cowboys need a dynamic RB and all kinds
of defense to run Marinelli's defensive scheme and I still think that's exactly what Jerry and Stephen will do this year.

Considering the perceived wisdom that unless the RB is very special, you don't take one in the top 10.

Elliott is a good all round RB but he's no Gurley.

Unless we trade back in the 1st then I would bet if we don't take a QB at four we'll go defense and my money would be on Jack, and we'll look for a RB in the 2nd/3rd.

 

[LittleD]

Considering the perceived wisdom that unless the RB is very special, you don't take one in the top 10.

Elliott is a good all round RB but he's no Gurley.

Unless we trade back in the 1st then I would bet if we don't take a QB at four we'll go defense and my money would be on Jack, and we'll look for a RB in the 2nd/3rd.

I wouldn't object to that but, no QB in the 1st is the best plan by far. I understand your view of Elliott but he's
by far the best RB in this draft and his skillset would be ideal for our OL and scheme me thinks.

 

[LucaBrasi]

Your odds are much, much better in winning a SB with a qb drafted early. There might be 3 qbs with 1st round grades in this draft. I'm not saying they should force it, but they had better think long and hard about it at #4. 29 of the 50 SB winning qbs were drafted in the 1st round. 38 of 50 were drafted in the top 3 rounds. Their starting qb is 36 with multiple injuries. If they think waiting on a qb in the later rounds is the way to go, the odds are very much against them winning a SB.

 

[IrishAnto]

I wouldn't object to that but, no QB in the 1st is the best plan by far. I understand your view of Elliott but he's
by far the best RB in this draft and his skillset would be ideal for our OL and scheme me thinks.

Personally I'd pick the QB.

I agree Elliott would suite us down to the ground, but I don't see us taking him at four.

If Jerry is going to go for broke next year then we need the most dynamic player we can get our hands on and since our defense was anything but last year, then Jack would seem to be the logical choice.

Jaylon Smith might have been another candidate but he probably won't be ready to play until the season is well under way and if your going "all in" then you need to have the player from the off.