David Helman: On Wentz around VR

[Irvin88_4life]

Teams who win with meh QBs are usually those who have some of the greatest defenses of all time. If you have that you can get away with the Dilfers, Flaccos (though he really got hot during the postseason with his SB run), or old Peytons. Guess what? Those type of defenses are even harder to acquire than a franchise QB and on top of that they are impossible to maintain. So they usually only can get you one Superbowl since you can't pay all 11 on defense top dollar. They are gutted soon after.

One franchise QB can make any offense pretty good even with mediocre offensive support. Defenses need top talent across the board to be Elite enough to win with a meh QB helming the team. You can pay one QB a ton to keep him and your team competitive. You can't pay 11 defenders a ton each to maintain the defense.

Trying to find yourself a franchise QB is the easier (though not easy as we all know) route to go and the longer lasting. Teams which rely on elite defense usually seem to win just a one of Superbowls, whereas elite QBs can often lead to dynasty possibilities.

Sure hope we try for the next franchise QB by taking a chance at #4 with one.

Really this defenses are so hard that Denver made it in 2 years. Went from terrible defense to number 1.

Sorry but it would be a wasted pick at 4 to reach for a QB

 

[CATCH17]

Really this defenses are so hard that Denver made it in 2 years. Went from terrible defense to number 1.

Sorry but it would be a wasted pick at 4 to reach for a QB

Because they spent their money on the right guys.

They didn't blow their money on a guy like Brandon Carr just because he was a RKG.

They went and spent money on Aqib Talib.

Dallas invests in defenders but we get the wrong guys.

Whoever is picking defensive players for us should be fired.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Because they spent their money on the right guys.

They didn't blow their money on a guy like Brandon Carr just because he was a RKG.

They went and spent money on Aqib Talib.

Dallas invests in defenders but we get the wrong guys.

Whoever is picking defensive players for us should be fired.

Doesn't matter I replied to the statement that an elite defense is way to hard and takes to long to build. Denver proved that theory wrong.

Despite our record this season we aren't to far off. We get free agents and some top talent in the draft and we are right back there. Defense was able to keep us in most games this season, you upgrade them to top 8 or so and we win those games. Weeden, Cassel and Moore all had us with a lead or within a td in the 4th quarter but defense failed to make a stop. Look at the Bucs, Eagles, Saints, Seattle games all could have been wins with a defense that made the crucial stop or turnover in the 4th quarter or over time this season.

Getting Romo back well help and we do need a future replacement just not reaching at pick 4 is all I'm saying.

Now if Wentz or Goff show to be worthy of the 4th pick and best in the board take them. I'm not a scout but I see better talent at other positions

 

[CATCH17]

Doesn't matter I replied to the statement that an elite defense is way to hard and takes to long to build. Denver proved that theory wrong.

Despite our record this season we aren't to far off. We get free agents and some top talent in the draft and we are right back there. Defense was able to keep us in most games this season, you upgrade them to top 8 or so and we win those games. Weeden, Cassel and Moore all had us with a lead or within a td in the 4th quarter but defense failed to make a stop. Look at the Bucs, Eagles, Saints, Seattle games all could have been wins with a defense that made the crucial stop or turnover in the 4th quarter or over time this season.

Getting Romo back well help and we do need a future replacement just not reaching at pick 4 is all I'm saying.

Now if Wentz or Goff show to be worthy of the 4th pick and best in the board take them. I'm not a scout but I see better talent at other positions

I think we could transition quick as well.

The year before we were putting up points and keeping the ball and in return our defense got turnovers because opposing offenses had to force things.

In 2015 there was no need for opposing offenses to press and try to score.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I think we could transition quick as well.

The year before we were putting up points and keeping the ball and in return our defense got turnovers because opposing offenses had to force things.

In 2015 there was no need for opposing offenses to press and try to score.

Thats true. Plus teams sold out to stop our running game knowing we couldn't pass it all over the field. This team will be different and hopefully we have a top 10 defense stepping out on the field

 

[Dhragon]

Really this defenses are so hard that Denver made it in 2 years. Went from terrible defense to number 1.

Sorry but it would be a wasted pick at 4 to reach for a QB

They hit on just about all their pricey free agent targets and got Wade Phillips as DC. That's how they built the defense so quickly. When is the last time we hit on multiple high priced FA, or even one of them? We just can't do it. And Wade isn't coming back here anytime soon.

So sorry, but it would be a wasted pick going defense at #4 since we are unable to do the other things needed to achieve a dominant defense as well. No way we are getting one of those defenses which can carry a team to the SB despite less than stellar QB play - which is exactly what we'll have for years to come as soon as Romo gets hurt yet again and we have no one competent to replace him.

 

[Dhragon]

Thats true. Plus teams sold out to stop our running game knowing we couldn't pass it all over the field. This team will be different and hopefully we have a top 10 defense stepping out on the field

Other teams offenses held back during 2015 because they didn't have to force anything and risk turnovers because our offense didn't put fear into anyone. So games were closer than the should have been, yet our defense flopped time and time again in the fourth quarter when those teams needed to put us away with a drive.

So yes, we'll start getting more turnovers again when Romo is back and our offense starts making other team's offenses open up more. Our defense will seem to be better then. Yet when Romo inevitably gets hurt or even if this year is when he starts declining naturally, the defense, with or without a top pick defensive player will revert right back to its 2015 ways and be useless in fourth quarters.

People advocating defense at #4 are putting all their chips on the health and continuing greatness of Tony Romo. Not caring about the future just for one or two more tries at a SB before even the more optimistic can see Romo's window has closed, even though defensive players don't always add immediate impact their first year (the major complaint for drafting QB - no immediate impact).

In short, our defense being at all good relies on our offense being good as well. Romo's window is very limited IMO, so we need hope we can continue good offense after Romo, which means we need a viable QB, which means draft one of the big 3 at #4. IMO.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

They hit on just about all their pricey free agent targets and got Wade Phillips as DC. That's how they built the defense so quickly. When is the last time we hit on multiple high priced FA, or even one of them? We just can't do it. And Wade isn't coming back here anytime soon.

So sorry, but it would be a wasted pick going defense at #4 since we are unable to do the other things needed to achieve a dominant defense as well. No way we are getting one of those defenses which can carry a team to the SB despite less than stellar QB play - which is exactly what we'll have for years to come as soon as Romo gets hurt yet again and we have no one competent to replace him.

Wasted pick getting upgrades on defense lol haha ok

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Other teams offenses held back during 2015 because they didn't have to force anything and risk turnovers because our offense didn't put fear into anyone. So games were closer than the should have been, yet our defense flopped time and time again in the fourth quarter when those teams needed to put us away with a drive.

So yes, we'll start getting more turnovers again when Romo is back and our offense starts making other team's offenses open up more. Our defense will seem to be better then. Yet when Romo inevitably gets hurt or even if this year is when he starts declining naturally, the defense, with or without a top pick defensive player will revert right back to its 2015 ways and be useless in fourth quarters.

People advocating defense at #4 are putting all their chips on the health and continuing greatness of Tony Romo. Not caring about the future just for one or two more tries at a SB before even the more optimistic can see Romo's window has closed, even though defensive players don't always add immediate impact their first year (the major complaint for drafting QB - no immediate impact).

In short, our defense being at all good relies on our offense being good as well. Romo's window is very limited IMO, so we need hope we can continue good offense after Romo, which means we need a viable QB, which means draft one of the big 3 at #4. IMO.

Negative sir. Any player can be done at any time....not just Romo. With Kellen Moore and some free agents like Matt Moore I think QB is ok at backup. Sorry but you don't reach for any player in the draft especially at number 4 including QB.

Yes I want to sell out to get a ring before Romo and Witten retires. What makes you think we start over rebuilding the team. ....like we numerous times with Jerry and get the same record. Sure we won a playoff game or two but what in your mind thinks by drafting a QB like Wentz or Goff will get us a ring more so then a guy like Driskel etc when we can't now.

How about we try something different by giving Romo a top 10 defense. Peyton just proved defenses wins championships. We have our tons of resources into the offense and look were we are at. ...same place the past 20 years. Tired of losing man. Tired of being the laughing stock of the league and Wentz, Goff or any rookie will change that this season or next.

If Wentz is best player available at 4 then draft him, fine with me. ....but then I want Romo and Witten gone. Start fresh and have a young team mature together

 

[Dhragon]

Wasted pick getting upgrades on defense lol haha ok

Wasted pick getting a franchise QB for future lol haha ok.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Of course. That is what will happen. And many of these folks will salute him for it. Then when we have nothing at QB they will cry like babies. Because then it's the here and now and they can see it. Then we'll look back at at least one of these QBs being franchise caliber but we shouldn't say anything because that's hindsight.

How intelligent is the room if you have to sell them on the importance of a QB in the NFL? You can have the greatest defense in history and you're battling an uphill climb without the QB.

Who of these qbs will be franchise guys. Tell us I'm advance and I'll save it for posterity.

 

[Dhragon]

Negative sir. Any player can be done at any time....not just Romo. With Kellen Moore and some free agents like Matt Moore I think QB is ok at backup. Sorry but you don't reach for any player in the draft especially at number 4 including QB.

Yes I want to sell out to get a ring before Romo and Witten retires. What makes you think we start over rebuilding the team. ....like we numerous times with Jerry and get the same record. Sure we won a playoff game or two but what in your mind thinks by drafting a QB like Wentz or Goff will get us a ring more so then a guy like Driskel etc when we can't now.

How about we try something different by giving Romo a top 10 defense. Peyton just proved defenses wins championships. We have our tons of resources into the offense and look were we are at. ...same place the past 20 years. Tired of losing man. Tired of being the laughing stock of the league and Wentz, Goff or any rookie will change that this season or next.

If Wentz is best player available at 4 then draft him, fine with me. ....but then I want Romo and Witten gone. Start fresh and have a young team mature together

Kellen freaking Moore is you're solution? Matt Moore? Driskel? Egads!

Sorry I'm laughing a your choices for our QB future but yuck! Obviously you are banking on Romo staying healthy and productive. I'm crossing my fingers you are right as Jerry will probably go your route on the draft. Just hope we never have to see Moore or Driskel on the field for us.

Personally, I believe a rookie QB his his odds of ever achieving franchise/elite QB status go much higher when he isn't rushed into the starting job right away. I bet many a QB who could of done well was ruined because he was forced to start right away. Some QBs can do it, most cannot. They end up losing their confidence. I'd like to up the odds of finding a franchise QB after Romo as much as possible. IMO, that means drafting best you can and not rushing him. So I'd very much like to get the best option while Romo is still starting.

 

[Dhragon]

Who of these qbs will be franchise guys. Tell us I'm advance and I'll save it for posterity.

You can only play percentages - no sure thing. Just as there is no sure thing you'll get dominant defensive guy at #4 either. Best percentages this draft are drafting one of the big three then doing everything you can to try and have him be successful ( sitting first year would help a lot IMO ).

Sure know that neither Moore nor Driskel or some other late round QB have such slim hopes of being that franchise QB that it's laughable. At least big 3 have 40% chance or so going by history.

 

[Boom]

Negative sir. Any player can be done at any time....not just Romo. With Kellen Moore and some free agents like Matt Moore I think QB is ok at backup. Sorry but you don't reach for any player in the draft especially at number 4 including QB.

Yes I want to sell out to get a ring before Romo and Witten retires. What makes you think we start over rebuilding the team. ....like we numerous times with Jerry and get the same record. Sure we won a playoff game or two but what in your mind thinks by drafting a QB like Wentz or Goff will get us a ring more so then a guy like Driskel etc when we can't now.

How about we try something different by giving Romo a top 10 defense. Peyton just proved defenses wins championships. We have our tons of resources into the offense and look were we are at. ...same place the past 20 years. Tired of losing man. Tired of being the laughing stock of the league and Wentz, Goff or any rookie will change that this season or next.

If Wentz is best player available at 4 then draft him, fine with me. ....but then I want Romo and Witten gone. Start fresh and have a young team mature together

Why not just take your advice and pick a few top FAs to make it elite like Denver's defense since it's that simple? That leaves the #4 pick open for the future QB.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Kellen freaking Moore is you're solution? Matt Moore? Driskel? Egads!

Sorry I'm laughing a your choices for our QB future but yuck! Obviously you are banking on Romo staying healthy and productive. I'm crossing my fingers you are right as Jerry will probably go your route on the draft. Just hope we never have to see Moore or Driskel on the field for us.

Personally, I believe a rookie QB his his odds of ever achieving franchise/elite QB status go much higher when he isn't rushed into the starting job right away. I bet many a QB who could of done well was ruined because he was forced to start right away. Some QBs can do it, most cannot. They end up losing their confidence. I'd like to up the odds of finding a franchise QB after Romo as much as possible. IMO, that means drafting best you can and not rushing him. So I'd very much like to get the best option while Romo is still starting.

Most guys want a rookie QB to sit behind Romo for a few years but then say Romo won't make it through the season. ......can't have it both ways.

Sorry I don't see any QB in the draft worth the number 4 spot. If they move up and are worthy then take them. .....I'm saying don't reach but you guys on the Wentz bandwagon don't care want a QB no matter what at 4 but then give Jerry crap for reaching on players. Kellen wasn't bad he needs to develop, you know everything about Kellen from his start at the end of the season haha. Go look at Romo first few games. Kellen could be a decent backup for now and no I'm not saying he is the future. I'm saying you either go all out and try to win a ring with Romo or draft a QB at 4 and build for that QB to win a superbowl

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Why not just take your advice and pick a few top FAs to make it elite like Denver's defense since it's that simple? That leaves the #4 pick open for the future QB.

Im not saying don't take a QB at 4 and never said building an elite defense is simple. Ours isn't that far away from being top 5-10 and if we fill spots on defense or not I want best player available at 4. I'm saying don't reach on a QB at 4.

Let's do like you want and be the Browns

 

[Boom]

Im not saying don't take a QB at 4 and never said building an elite defense is simple. Ours isn't that far away from being top 5-10 and if we fill spots on defense or not I want best player available at 4. I'm saying don't reach on a QB at 4.

Let's do like you want and be the Browns

"Really this defenses are so hard that Denver made it in 2 years. Went from terrible defense to number 1."

Sounds good to me. I'm with you on the FA thing on defense. QB at #4 if he's worth it.

 

[jnday]

Yes, but who laughed last. It certainly was not the Cowboys or their fans. We are just fortunate that McFadden had an injury free season. And DMC is closer to 30, the death knell for RBs, than even Murray.

This team would have been better if DMac had got injured. After last season, Jerry thinks that the team is set at RB and that was right not to draft one. It was a mistake not to draft a RB last year and it will be a bigger mistake if they don't draft one this year. What Jerry doesn't realize is that DMac staying healthy was a fluke and his numbers were average considering this oline.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

"Really this defenses are so hard that Denver made it in 2 years. Went from terrible defense to number 1."

Sounds good to me. I'm with you on the FA thing on defense. QB at #4 if he's worth it.

Ya QB at 4 if he is worth it. I'm not a professional scout but I see better players then Wentz and Goff. At pick 4 you don't reach, take the blue chip prospect if it's Wentz take him if not then don't

 

[BAT]

"Really this defenses are so hard that Denver made it in 2 years. Went from terrible defense to number 1."

Sounds good to me. I'm with you on the FA thing on defense. QB at #4 if he's worth it.

Vernon Olivier, Malik Jackson, Eric Weddle. Need to get 2 of these guys IMO.