David Irving failed a drug test and is now facing a suspension

[Plankton]

Here's one thing to keep in mind with this - Irving's reason for the failure may not be true. He and his camp can say whatever they want for what the reason is for the failure. The rules of confidentiality prevent the league from commenting on it, or refuting it for that matter.

For all anyone knows, it's not because he couldn't read a label correctly or that he was duped - he could have been taking PEDs knowingly.

 

[Wood]

I believe this was same reason (didn't know it was in supplements) that Tank used also?

 

[DBOY3141]

I believe this was same reason (didn't know it was in supplements) that Tank used also?

I thought his was for ADHD or ADD.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Nah, I'm referring to non-constructive posters, critical or otherwise. The ones who's most used words are "idiot" "dumb" etc. With nothing else to add. There's a few of them here. Zero critical thinking, just "blah blah" as my wonderful Sri Lankan neighbor says of people who offer nothing of value to any arguement.

My post you replied to was pretty clear, Roy. Cut it out.

I would say I have been a more overly non constructive poster in general since I have been here. However, I am really beginning to approve of many of the things we have been doing and I am gaining confidence in the team and the FO. Garrett aside. Therefore my posts and optimism are also reflecting that change.

Cut what out?

 

[DOUBLE WING]

It wouldn't be the offseason without one of our players getting suspended.

 

[John813]

Why does it go back to the GM? For hiring Garrett? I completely agree with you there.

I was going to post the quote, but I'm pretty sure it's from DMN...

Jimmy Johnson pretty much says Jerry is an enabler and players don't have to answer to Garrett, but to JJ.

 

[Proof]

 

[gmoney112]

So, who's going to find the supplement? He had a marketing deal with them

I'm really curious if it was a pro hormone or if it was just this other stimulant that was banned, and is completely non hormonal.

 

[Idgit]

AT what point do you lay any blame at all on the constant drug failures on the head coach that creates the atmosphere and doles out the discipline?

When it's an issue that stands out relative to the rest of the league. You seem to have a handle on it, since I know you'd never offer a criticism if you hadn't thought it through carefully. How do we stack up with other good teams in the league when it comes to these suspensions under Garrett? Say, SEA, for example? The Ravens? The Giants? The Commanders?

Instead of embarrassing yourself trying to make an offseason supplement issue into a failure of coaching, maybe take a few minutes to try to get the problem into a context that makes some sense and stop wasting everybody's time with nonsense like this in a thread that's got plenty of actual meat on the bone.

Have the last word on your HC digression here, because it's not relevant and not worth ruining yet another thread that actually has something worth debating in it.

 

[Wood]

Also, this probably gives Taco LDE job day 1. Still need to figure out RDE. Lets all dream on Tapper.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't believe that for a second. Players are told all the time, before you take any supplement, medication etc. check with the team. This is all on Irving. He's 23, went to college, he's not 6 years old.

I agree check before you start taking any type of supplement. There are people within the organization who can help players. This is getting old, 1 step forward 2 steps back.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I was going to post the quote, but I'm pretty sure it's from DMN...

Jimmy Johnson pretty much says Jerry is an enabler and players don't have to answer to Garrett, but to JJ.

Agreed, but not when Jimmy was here. And this also goes back to the notion that Garrett has as little control as any head coach in the league. Therefore the blame or the credit get limited in his direction. But clock management cant be blamed by anyone but the guy doing it.

 

[gmoney112]

I agree check before you start taking any type of supplement. There are people within the organization who can help players. This is getting old, 1 step forward 2 steps back.

Unlisted ingredients is a problem.

 

[Trouty]

I would say I have been a more overly non constructive poster in general since I have been here. However, I am really beginning to approve of many of the things we have been doing and I am gaining confidence in the team and the FO. Garrett aside. Therefore my posts and optimism are also reflecting that change.

Cut what out?

Then I'm not referring to you. Let's not act like there aren't people here who aren't waiting in the shadows to prounce at the next bit of bad news, and leave with simpleton insults, and that's all they. ever. do.

I have no problem with people who are critical, as long as it's thought out and not just some moral siren. Hell, I can be just as critical as anyone when we're doing bad.

What I meant about "cut it out" was not reading my post fully. This post I'm replying to was on point. Thanks for the reply, Roy

 

[Idgit]

What sucks about this is it also complicates a possible extension for him. Sure, it affects his market value, but now you've got a guy with a PED strike against him at a critical position. You can probably find a comp for it in terms of how it affects the contract dollars, but it's a whole level of uncertainty you have to now live with.

 

[Wood]

I thought his was for ADHD or ADD.

you might be right. I see his his failed test was for amphetamine, which could be adderall which treats ADHD.

 

[Rogerthat12]

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[Doomsday101]

I was going to post the quote, but I'm pretty sure it's from DMN...

Jimmy Johnson pretty much says Jerry is an enabler and players don't have to answer to Garrett, but to JJ.

Players of the 90's issues did not start when Jimmy left. Lett was already getting in trouble so was Eric Williams, where was the accountability? Lett was not cut by Jimmy nor was Eric Williams. As HC of the Hurricanes under Jimmy where were known as Gangster U. These are grown men sad to say and no one can baby sit these players who as mentioned are grown men. If a finger needs to be pointed then it should be pointed at the individual men

 

[jazzcat22]

Lane Johnson got a ten game for PEDS last year and dominated when he came back. Irving was due for a breakout year, we're only gonna get 12 games of it now.

It sucks, but calling him names like "idiot" and "******" is a bit out of bounds. I'm sure he's one of a few hundred taking PEDS (not that it makes it right, at all).

Hope he learns from this and comes back after his four on a mission.

And he cost himself a lot of future money. He is on a 1 year contract. He could have had a break out year and got a multi year big bucks deal. But now he will be only offered a RFA deal of one year again for 2018.

 

[Wood]

What sucks about this is it also complicates a possible extension for him. Sure, it affects his market value, but now you've got a guy with a PED strike against him at a critical position. You can probably find a comp for it in terms of how it affects the contract dollars, but it's a whole level of uncertainty you have to now live with.

agreed and now Dallas must live with this uncertainty for 3 defensive players: Gregory, Tank & Irving. I wouldn't extend any of them. Garrett has placed emphasis on keeping players who can stay on field after Gregory debacle.