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since flozell actually has the same problems davis has does that mean flo is lazy too? they both have trouble with speed. the difference is davis is a natural guard. while flo is naturally a tackle. whats the difference? flo is a cowboy and gets defended and davis isnt?
 

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We all should just be asking does he help the team and an upgrade at G, the answer to both is yes. We aren't losing any money out of our pockets so why should we really care about how much he wants. Of course, I don't want to have to overpay that much for his services but look at the money being thrown around.
 

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LatinMind;1402708 said:
since flozell actually has the same problems davis has does that mean flo is lazy too? they both have trouble with speed. the difference is davis is a natural guard. while flo is naturally a tackle. whats the difference? flo is a cowboy and gets defended and davis isnt?

O.K. Here is one article for you.

Cardinals move on without Davis
Kent Somers
The Arizona Republic
Feb. 16, 2007 09:45 PM

Offensive left tackle Leonard Davis apparently has played his last game in a Cardinals uniform.

As expected, the team will not place the franchise or transition tags on Davis, nor will it try to re-sign Davis before free agency starts on March 1.

"When we evaluated Leonard, we certainly see ability and as improvement (sic), especially as last season went on," coach Ken Whisenhunt said on azcardinals.com, "but when you look at the situation on the whole and take everything into account, we don't feel that the investment that would be required to keep him is equal to the performance. We have needs at multiple positions, as well as for depth, and we want to be in the best position for us to address those needs."
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Either of the tags would have given the Cardinals control over Davis' rights for 2007 but would have guaranteed Davis a salary of about $12 million for the season.

The Cardinals apparently were not eager to write Davis another big check, even though they have the salary-cap space to accommodate it.

They are about $32 million under the $109 million cap.

The second overall pick in the 2001 draft, Davis has made between $35 million and $40 million from the team in six years, collecting every penny of his rookie contract.

Teams have until Thursday to use the franchise and transition tags. The franchise tag guarantees a player the average of the top five salaries at the position, or 120 percent raise over his previous year's wages, whichever is higher. The transition tag is the average of the top 10 salaries or 120 percent.

Davis would command the 120 percent figure. The franchise figure for offensive linemen this year is $9.556 million, slightly more than what Davis made in 2006.

Factor in his prorated signing bonus, and Davis' franchise figure would have been around $12 million.

That's a high price to pay for someone who has been viewed as a disappointment thus far. Davis has yet to make a Pro Bowl, and team officials often were frustrated by what they viewed as Davis' lack of motivation and intensity.

That's why the club allowed Davis to enter the final season of his contract, choosing not to cut him or extend his contract. Davis' agent, Ryan Tollner, said earlier this week the Cardinals have made no overtures about re-signing his client.

Davis has played both guard and tackle for the Cardinals, bouncing between the two positions during his first three years with the team. Former coach Dennis Green moved Davis to left tackle in 2004, reasoning that the second overall pick in a draft should not be playing guard.

Davis performed fairly well at left tackle, although he never reached the elite level that Green and many others expected of him.

Davis, however, will be one of the more coveted players in this year's free-agent market. There is a dearth of tackles, and Davis could command a contract that guarantees him $12 million to $15 million.

With Davis gone, the Cardinals are in need of a left tackle. There is no heir apparent to Davis on the roster, and the club will need to fill the void in free agency or the draft.
 

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LatinMind;1402705 said:
yup and i asked for a link when it first started and nobody stepped up for their words. im taking u dont have a link either. like i've stated in other threads. my dad is a cardinals maniac. and he's actually pissed the cards are letting him go. he was mad when he got moved to tackle. i dont follow the cardinals like him, but from his words the guy is very good, but just misused.

he paid 200 for sunday ticket just for cardinal games. lol he doesnt ever watch any other football games just the cardinals.

Thats pretty interesting stuff.

I think his major problem was that he was so highly touted coming out of college and was expected to be allpro year after year. He hasnt lived up to that billing so therefore he must be lazy or unmotivated.

Perhaps he is but with Steinbach and Dielman off the market and alternatives in Womack and co Davis is looking pretty darn good right about now.
 

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ok since nobody is stepping up to prove all this is said about davis. ill assume its just your opinion about him. i wont ask anymore
 

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LatinMind;1402716 said:
ok since nobody is stepping up to prove all this is said about davis. ill assume its just your opinion about him. i wont ask anymore

Please see post above. It's only one example, but I think you get the idea . . . .
 

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When we evaluated Leonard, we certainly see ability and as improvement

i hope this isnt what ur talking about. lol of course he could use improvement. he didnt show the ability to keep up with the faster speed rushers in the league. dont u think the same can be said about flozell?
 

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LatinMind;1402718 said:
i hope this isnt what ur talking about. lol of course he could use improvement. he didnt show the ability to keep up with the faster speed rushers in the league. dont u think the same can be said about flozell?

Keep reading, my friend . . . .
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1402715 said:
Thats pretty interesting stuff.

I think his major problem was that he was so highly touted coming out of college and was expected to be allpro year after year. He hasnt lived up to that billing so therefore he must be lazy or unmotivated.

Perhaps he is but with Steinbach and Dielman off the market and alternatives in Womack and co Davis is looking pretty darn good right about now.

thats aways in the minds of people. thats kinds of the bad thing about being drafted so high. u can be versitile and do things good. but ur expected to do it great or ur underacheiving.
 

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LatinMind;1402718 said:
i hope this isnt what ur talking about. lol of course he could use improvement. he didnt show the ability to keep up with the faster speed rushers in the league. dont u think the same can be said about flozell?

This quote is more troubling to me...

That's a high price to pay for someone who has been viewed as a disappointment thus far. Davis has yet to make a Pro Bowl, and team officials often were frustrated by what they viewed as Davis' lack of motivation and intensity.
 

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I have heard that Davis took plays off and was not really willing to keep in top shape. This over the last few years. He has been lazy and he has underperformed.
 

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Woods;1402721 said:
Keep reading, my friend . . . .

lol i read it all and the rest talks about the investement it would require. meaning money. not him being lazy. then talks about them having needs at multiple posistions. again goes back to money.

they didnt want to pay davis 12 mil for the season. the bengals didnt want to pay steinbac either. does that mean he's lazy?

and franchising him would have cost 9 mil for the season. i still dont see why u used this as proof? its all more to do with money
 

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Skin;1402728 said:
This quote is more troubling to me...

That's a high price to pay for someone who has been viewed as a disappointment thus far. Davis has yet to make a Pro Bowl, and team officials often were frustrated by what they viewed as Davis' lack of motivation and intensity.

Yes, and I think many people share this view (rightly or wrongly).

Don't get me wrong, if we sign Davis, I hope he plays lights out.

But let's be realitic here, this is a big risk (motivational factor) if JJ guarantees Davis BIG money.

Look, I want to see FA signings as much as anyone, but let's keep an honest perspective.
 

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Skin;1402728 said:
This quote is more troubling to me...

That's a high price to pay for someone who has been viewed as a disappointment thus far. Davis has yet to make a Pro Bowl, and team officials often were frustrated by what they viewed as Davis' lack of motivation and intensity.

newman hasnt made one either. is he a disappointment too? whats troubling?
 

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LatinMind;1402732 said:
lol i read it all and the rest talks about the investement it would require. meaning money. not him being lazy. then talks about them having needs at multiple posistions. again goes back to money.

they didnt want to pay davis 12 mil for the season. the bengals didnt want to pay steinbac either. does that mean he's lazy?

and franchising him would have cost 9 mil for the season. i still dont see why u used this as proof? its all more to do with money

THIS PART OF ARTICLE

That's a high price to pay for someone who has been viewed as a disappointment thus far. Davis has yet to make a Pro Bowl, and team officials often were frustrated by what they viewed as Davis' lack of motivation and intensity.

That's why the club allowed Davis to enter the final season of his contract, choosing not to cut him or extend his contract. Davis' agent, Ryan Tollner, said earlier this week the Cardinals have made no overtures about re-signing his client.


Lack of motivation and intensity . . . Many people, including those inside the organization, have this view on Davis.
 

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Woods;1402752 said:
THIS PART OF ARTICLE

That's a high price to pay for someone who has been viewed as a disappointment thus far. Davis has yet to make a Pro Bowl, and team officials often were frustrated by what they viewed as Davis' lack of motivation and intensity.

That's why the club allowed Davis to enter the final season of his contract, choosing not to cut him or extend his contract. Davis' agent, Ryan Tollner, said earlier this week the Cardinals have made no overtures about re-signing his client.


Lack of motivation and intensity . . . Many people, including those inside the organization, have this view on Davis.

O.K. Here is one article for you.

Cardinals move on without Davis
Kent Somers
The Arizona Republic
Feb. 16, 2007 09:45 PM

Offensive left tackle Leonard Davis apparently has played his last game in a Cardinals uniform.

As expected, the team will not place the franchise or transition tags on Davis, nor will it try to re-sign Davis before free agency starts on March 1.

"When we evaluated Leonard, we certainly see ability and as improvement (sic), especially as last season went on," coach Ken Whisenhunt said on azcardinals.com, "but when you look at the situation on the whole and take everything into account, we don't feel that the investment that would be required to keep him is equal to the performance. We have needs at multiple positions, as well as for depth, and we want to be in the best position for us to address those needs."
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Either of the tags would have given the Cardinals control over Davis' rights for 2007 but would have guaranteed Davis a salary of about $12 million for the season.

The Cardinals apparently were not eager to write Davis another big check, even though they have the salary-cap space to accommodate it.

They are about $32 million under the $109 million cap.

The second overall pick in the 2001 draft, Davis has made between $35 million and $40 million from the team in six years, collecting every penny of his rookie contract.

Teams have until Thursday to use the franchise and transition tags. The franchise tag guarantees a player the average of the top five salaries at the position, or 120 percent raise over his previous year's wages, whichever is higher. The transition tag is the average of the top 10 salaries or 120 percent.

Davis would command the 120 percent figure. The franchise figure for offensive linemen this year is $9.556 million, slightly more than what Davis made in 2006.

Factor in his prorated signing bonus, and Davis' franchise figure would have been around $12 million.

That's a high price to pay for someone who has been viewed as a disappointment thus far. Davis has yet to make a Pro Bowl, and team officials often were frustrated by what they viewed as Davis' lack of motivation and intensity.

That's why the club allowed Davis to enter the final season of his contract, choosing not to cut him or extend his contract. Davis' agent, Ryan Tollner, said earlier this week the Cardinals have made no overtures about re-signing his client.

Davis has played both guard and tackle for the Cardinals, bouncing between the two positions during his first three years with the team. Former coach Dennis Green moved Davis to left tackle in 2004, reasoning that the second overall pick in a draft should not be playing guard.

Davis performed fairly well at left tackle, although he never reached the elite level that Green and many others expected of him.

Davis, however, will be one of the more coveted players in this year's free-agent market. There is a dearth of tackles, and Davis could command a contract that guarantees him $12 million to $15 million.

With Davis gone, the Cardinals are in need of a left tackle. There is no heir apparent to Davis on the roster, and the club will need to fill the void in free agency or the draft.

thats the article u posted now u bring that other part? ok

lol ok i think somebody edited the comment. as that part wasnt there to begin with. nice cover
 

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LatinMind;1402759 said:
O.K. Here is one article for you.

Cardinals move on without Davis
Kent Somers
The Arizona Republic
Feb. 16, 2007 09:45 PM

Offensive left tackle Leonard Davis apparently has played his last game in a Cardinals uniform.

As expected, the team will not place the franchise or transition tags on Davis, nor will it try to re-sign Davis before free agency starts on March 1.

"When we evaluated Leonard, we certainly see ability and as improvement (sic), especially as last season went on," coach Ken Whisenhunt said on azcardinals.com, "but when you look at the situation on the whole and take everything into account, we don't feel that the investment that would be required to keep him is equal to the performance. We have needs at multiple positions, as well as for depth, and we want to be in the best position for us to address those needs."
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Either of the tags would have given the Cardinals control over Davis' rights for 2007 but would have guaranteed Davis a salary of about $12 million for the season.

The Cardinals apparently were not eager to write Davis another big check, even though they have the salary-cap space to accommodate it.

They are about $32 million under the $109 million cap.

The second overall pick in the 2001 draft, Davis has made between $35 million and $40 million from the team in six years, collecting every penny of his rookie contract.

Teams have until Thursday to use the franchise and transition tags. The franchise tag guarantees a player the average of the top five salaries at the position, or 120 percent raise over his previous year's wages, whichever is higher. The transition tag is the average of the top 10 salaries or 120 percent.

Davis would command the 120 percent figure. The franchise figure for offensive linemen this year is $9.556 million, slightly more than what Davis made in 2006.

Factor in his prorated signing bonus, and Davis' franchise figure would have been around $12 million.

That's a high price to pay for someone who has been viewed as a disappointment thus far. Davis has yet to make a Pro Bowl, and team officials often were frustrated by what they viewed as Davis' lack of motivation and intensity.

That's why the club allowed Davis to enter the final season of his contract, choosing not to cut him or extend his contract. Davis' agent, Ryan Tollner, said earlier this week the Cardinals have made no overtures about re-signing his client.

Davis has played both guard and tackle for the Cardinals, bouncing between the two positions during his first three years with the team. Former coach Dennis Green moved Davis to left tackle in 2004, reasoning that the second overall pick in a draft should not be playing guard.

Davis performed fairly well at left tackle, although he never reached the elite level that Green and many others expected of him.

Davis, however, will be one of the more coveted players in this year's free-agent market. There is a dearth of tackles, and Davis could command a contract that guarantees him $12 million to $15 million.

With Davis gone, the Cardinals are in need of a left tackle. There is no heir apparent to Davis on the roster, and the club will need to fill the void in free agency or the draft.

thats the article u posted now u bring that other part? ok

lol ok i think somebody edited the comment. as that part wasnt there to begin with. nice cover

No problems . . . .

Anyway, let's hope for the best.

I'm interested in how much JJ is going to ante up.
 

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LT is the most important part of the O line. Yet they let him go without anyone in sight to replace him. Come on, Latin, think about it.
 

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burmafrd;1402762 said:
LT is the most important part of the O line. Yet they let him go without anyone in sight to replace him. Come on, Latin, think about it.

well when u think about it, he isnt a LT. the cards were stupid to begin with moving him to tackle. they had something very good with him as a guard. they just didnt want to go out and pay for a LT
 

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Then clearly he much not have impressed them that much at guard. THat must have made him the third best guard on the Arizona roster.
 
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