News: DC: Mailbag: Grading The QBs Other Than Wentz? Best Player Available?

[NEODOG]

For all those who are starry-eyed over Wentz, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE consider the teams that he and his Dakotans faced.
Now, compare that junior varsity schedule to the teams that Jarred Goff of California faced in the PAC 10.
Playing in the big time makes a BIG DIFFERENCE, blokes!

Please.... That makes literally no difference. I suppose all that NFL caliber defense that Romo faced at Eastern Illinois helped him become a better pro? What about Jerry Rice at the traditional powerhouse conference Grand Valley U?

Thats a garbage argument.... And I'm not wanting a QB at pick #4 either

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Please.... That makes literally no difference. I suppose all that NFL caliber defense that Romo faced at Eastern Illinois helped him become a better pro? What about Jerry Rice at the traditional powerhouse conference Grand Valley U?

Thats a garbage argument.... And I'm not wanting a QB at pick #4 either

That's great, old boy, that Super Bowl QB Romo played at Eastern Illinois and Rice played at Grand Valley U. For every one of these players at small-time colleges there must be 20 who played in the big time.
I bet if we return to my JC alma mater we could find other diamonds in the rough working out hard in the weight rooms. Wait, they don't have weight rooms in JC . . . they use the local Y and travel from game to game in alumni autos to face the Weber States, Southern Illinoises, Hammer JC and Fitz A&I . . .
Make no mistake, chap, playing in the small leagues does make a difference, and often not a good one.
Oh well, whatever tickles your fancy.

 

[NEODOG]

That's great, old boy, that Super Bowl QB Romo played at Eastern Illinois and Rice played at Grand Valley U. For every one of these players at small-time colleges there must be 20 who played in the big time.
I bet if we return to my JC alma mater we could find other diamonds in the rough working out hard in the weight rooms. Wait, they don't have weight rooms in JC . . . they use the local Y and travel from game to game in alumni autos to face the Weber States, Southern Illinoises, Hammer JC and Fitz A&I . . .
Make no mistake, chap, playing in the small leagues does make a difference, and often not a good one.
Oh well, whatever tickles your fancy.

Obviously your community JC hasn't invested in the weight room like NEO(which btw has PRODUCED a **** ton of NFL PLAYERS) .....Always specific JC programs abound

By all means.... major conference players are bound to elite status without question..... That makes ZERO SENSE

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Obviously your community JC hasn't invested in the weight room like NEO(which btw has PRODUCED a **** ton of NFL PLAYERS) .....Always specific JC programs abound

By all means.... major conference players are bound to elite status without question..... That makes ZERO SENSE

And you are from the steppes of the Dakotas?
Zero sense is risking a first-round pick on a QB from Nowhere State U. It makes quite the difference playing against the Stanfords and USCs of the world as opposed to Pawdunk State and the Southern Illinoises and I am appalled, greately appalled at the notion that a small-time school plays against quality opponents.
So appalled I need a warm beer and some fish and chips.

 

[DandyDon52]

It's a tired argument...... We are not winning a SB unless the D gets upgraded

I willing to state.... Quite FACTLY that even with a healthy #9 #88 we AREN'T playing this weekend with our D that was fielded this year

Your 12-4 D lost in the divisional to a one legged QB..... With a #9 playing his best ever & a healthy running game with #88

What you say is true, but our defense needs a lot of new players, and a new dc, marinelli is not innovative and is too old school.
Part of the problem is his scheme and philosophys.

And even with a much better defense we probably cant beat Carolina as they are now.
Carolina embarrassed Arizona and Seattle, both of those teams have fairly good defense, and it didnt help them.

 

[big dog cowboy]

What you say is true, but our defense needs a lot of new players, and a new dc, marinelli is not innovative and is too old school.
Part of the problem is his scheme and philosophys.

Considering the health issues and lack of talent at the DB positions he has to work with I'm not sure we have ever seen his scheme and philosophy fully implemented especially with high quality players.

 

[NumOneQB]

And you are from the steppes of the Dakotas?
Zero sense is risking a first-round pick on a QB from Nowhere State U. It makes quite the difference playing against the Stanfords and USCs of the world as opposed to Pawdunk State and the Southern Illinoises and I am appalled, greately appalled at the notion that a small-time school plays against quality opponents.
So appalled I need a warm beer and some fish and chips.

NDSU is a FCS powerhouse. Wentz is 100% worthy of being drafted in the NFL. Now, at #4 I don't think so. I personally don't think any QB is worth a top 10 pick in this years draft.

 

[Tabascocat]

If Dallas picks Wentz with the #4......I will officially go postal!

 

[Texan_Eph89]

For all those who are starry-eyed over Wentz, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE consider the teams that he and his Dakotans faced.
Now, compare that junior varsity schedule to the teams that Jarred Goff of California faced in the PAC 10.
Playing in the big time makes a BIG DIFFERENCE, blokes!

Agreed. Wentz has all the things people look for, but Goff had to prove it throughout the season (and his OL was garbage). Cal had to face Texas, Utah, UCLA, USC, Oregon, Stanford, and Arizona State. Goff had the help of a decent WR, but aside from him, the Cal offense wasn't great.

 

[darthseinfeld]

QB is likely to be BPA at #4 anyways

 

[BrassCowboy]

It's a tired argument...... We are not winning a SB unless the D gets upgraded

I willing to state.... Quite FACTLY that even with a healthy #9 #88 we AREN'T playing this weekend with our D that was fielded this year

Your 12-4 D lost in the divisional to a one legged QB..... With a #9 playing his best ever & a healthy running game with #88

I do understand your argument as I have been one to argue that we need to beef up this defense, it is only because the main clog of our offense is 1 or 2 years away from being a nonfactor, maybe less than 1 year. How often do we get a chance to draft at #4 so what better time to pick the guy that can replace Romo when needed?

Don't give me the argument about 'there are no qbs in this draft' because there is atleast 3 and especially because Romo is still playing makes this argument even less viable as the draftee will have a little time to adjust rather than be thrown out to the wolves.
Also, there are no free agent QBs in the NFL right now that are worthy of being starters now or in the future IMO. Since the two were discussed here many times, I will say that neither, RG III nor John Manziel, are starter material. RGIII has proven that and Manziel well he is another drama as well as bust that this team does not need.

I will wanna see what is available and who we pick up in free agency this year. My point above really just pertained to the 1st rounder (pick #4), after that pick all defenders if that is necessary.

 

[conner01]

there is a flaw in bpa, you have to factor in need to the equation.

For example if the best player was a center would we take a center? Same for left tackle.
I think another factor is what position do they need most as a top pick??
And what do they need now or this coming season the most ?
What player would have the most impact right now?

I think QB,RB, and DT would be the top 3 for biggest impact now, with RB really having the biggest impact, if they got
a big back who was really good.
Combine him with McF and dunbar, and they would have the offense they need.

I dont think they would pick a big heavy DT that many would want, and the QB is no impact now, unless Romo goes down again.
And even if they got a QB they would not have the power run game they need.

I agree with the BPA assessment
You do have to factor need into the equation
But I don't think you have to factor in immediate impact when your QB is getting old. It's just so hard to get a good QB that when the opportunity arises and you have a QB toward the end of his career you have to factor that very heavily. Normally if you had a 30 year old QB I would go for the guy who can make the biggest impact although not necessarily immediate impact. DT is a position you don't always get a huge immediate impact while RB is. But it's much easier to get a good RB later in the draft than a DT

 

[conner01]

For all those who are starry-eyed over Wentz, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE consider the teams that he and his Dakotans faced.
Now, compare that junior varsity schedule to the teams that Jarred Goff of California faced in the PAC 10.
Playing in the big time makes a BIG DIFFERENCE, blokes!

Who was the teams romo faced in college

 

[JoeKing]

Draft Zone

 

[AdamJT13]

Wentz might not even make it to the fourth pick --

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/01/nfl_exec_if_the_browns_draft_q.html

 

[Tabascocat]

Wentz might not even make it to the fourth pick --

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/01/nfl_exec_if_the_browns_draft_q.html

If Cleveland wants him that bad, then I really want no part of him!

 

[AdamJT13]

If Cleveland wants him that bad, then I really want no part of him!

That wasn't the Browns saying they might take him at No. 2, it was another team's "personnel executive" saying the Browns should take him.

"If the Browns take Carson Wentz at No. 2 they'd be set for 15 years,'' the highly-respected personnel man, whose team does not need a quarterback, said. "He's the best quarterback in the draft. If I were picking at No. 2, I'd take him. It will solve all of their problems and they'd get that team turned around.''

 

[CyberB0b]

there is a flaw in bpa, you have to factor in need to the equation.

For example if the best player was a center would we take a center? Same for left tackle.
I think another factor is what position do they need most as a top pick??
And what do they need now or this coming season the most ?
What player would have the most impact right now?

I think QB,RB, and DT would be the top 3 for biggest impact now, with RB really having the biggest impact, if they got
a big back who was really good.
Combine him with McF and dunbar, and they would have the offense they need.

I dont think they would pick a big heavy DT that many would want, and the QB is no impact now, unless Romo goes down again.
And even if they got a QB they would not have the power run game they need.

There's no way a C will be BPA in the top 4.

 

[wilfred]

I think dallas should stay away from qb. I'll take myles jack or move down grab zek Elliot and hopefully grab a dt and Braxton miller with my 2nd rd trade down picks. that's just my opinion

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Who was the teams romo faced in college

The same-quality teams faced by wentz. Romo is the exception for the cowboys.