News: DC: Mailbag: Grading The QBs Other Than Wentz? Best Player Available?

[MRV52]

Simple Math. BPA= Treadwell.

 

[jobberone]

The stars align when need and BPA match.

There will be a player at a PON...too many holes

 

[jobberone]

They dont hear you.

Last year's D was good enough with an offense scoring 30PPG. But of course you want better. A top five offense and defense is a force.

 

[jobberone]

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Considering the health issues and lack of talent at the DB positions he has to work with I'm not sure we have ever seen his scheme and philosophy fully implemented especially with high quality players.

Nope. Without better DBs you are forced to play vanilla defense. That's why we don't blitz much. It hurt more often than help.

 

[Chevyman08]

Goff, if he is available should be taken with the 4th pick. We have to start grooming Romo's replacement now. We can improve the defense with free agency and the later picks in the draft.

 

[LittleD]

Goff, if he is available should be taken with the 4th pick. We have to start grooming Romo's replacement now. We can improve the defense with free agency and the later picks in the draft.

Nope! not gonna happen... Jerry as much as said so. You don't pick a QB at #4 if you have any thought of winning a SB with
Romo & Witten. You go get someone who can help the team win and that might by offense or defense but, it's definitely going
to be someone who can play this year. They might select a QB to sit for 2 years in the later rounds but, not #4 IMVHO.

 

[treykin32]

Please.... That makes literally no difference. I suppose all that NFL caliber defense that Romo faced at Eastern Illinois helped him become a better pro? What about Jerry Rice at the traditional powerhouse conference Grand Valley U?

Thats a garbage argument.... And I'm not wanting a QB at pick #4 either

Jerry Rice played at Mississippi Valley State University in the SouthWest Athletic Conference. Gotta get the GOAT's info correct..

 

[NEODOG]

Jerry Rice played at Mississippi Valley State University in the SouthWest Athletic Conference. Gotta get the GOAT's info correct..

Apologies to MVSU & the GOAT!

 

[bayeslife]

It's a tired argument...... We are not winning a SB unless the D gets upgraded

I willing to state.... Quite FACTLY that even with a healthy #9 #88 we AREN'T playing this weekend with our D that was fielded this year

Your 12-4 D lost in the divisional to a one legged QB..... With a #9 playing his best ever & a healthy running game with #88

So what's your plan for when Romo misses more games this year? Just curious.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Selecting the BPA available is somewhat a myth. As someone else posted, would we take a LT at number 4 if that was the best player on our board? I doubt it. Would we take RB Elliott at number 4 if he was the best player available on our board? I doubt it because everyone says that's too high for a RB. Teams always take the BPA, BUT many other factors also come into play.

 

[Alexander]

So what's your plan for when Romo misses more games this year? Just curious.

If you listen to some people around here, they seem to think mediocre QBs like Colt McCoy will somehow be any better than Weeden or Cassel.

Then there is the concept that Robert Griffin will just emerge like a beautiful butterfly emerging from his cocoon after what amounts to a two year nap on the Commanders bench.

 

[Alexander]

Selecting the BPA available is somewhat a myth. As someone else posted, would we take a LT at number 4 if that was the best player on our board? I doubt it. Would we take RB Elliott at number 4 if he was the best player available on our board? I doubt it because everyone says that's too high for a RB. Teams always take the BPA, BUT many other factors also come into play.

Some throw around BPA but with conditions. It could never ever possibly be a QB, RB or WR. No way it could ever be Wentz, Elliott or Treadwell.

BPA just has to be Ramsey, Bosa or someone else. Just has to be, because we don't "need" anything on offense. Or something.

 

[Alexander]

The number 4 pick is ALWAYS for the BPA. Not a quarterback in this draft. It's never about need that high. Let's be honest, we have a ton of needs. If we didn't, we wouldn't be picking 4th.

We also would not be picking fourth if we had a competent reserve with talent behind Romo. We also would not be picking fourth if we had a dependable RB capable of imposing his will. We also would not be picking fourth if there was a WR on this roster not named Bryant who was capable and talented enough to get consistent separation against even single coverage.

 

[TheCount]

The way Cowboys draft people are approaching the Wentz thing is so weird. They really don't want to talk about the guy. Even on the Draft Show, they've made a point of basically staying away from covering him in favor of some of the other prospects.

It's understandable being so far out and knowing you'll probably spend a large chunk of time talking about him as the draft gets closer, but I don't remember draft guys steering so far away from a prospect before so blatantly.

 

[jobberone]

We also would not be picking fourth if we had a competent reserve with talent behind Romo. We also would not be picking fourth if we had a dependable RB capable of imposing his will. We also would not be picking fourth if there was a WR on this roster not named Bryant who was capable and talented enough to get consistent separation against even single coverage.

I agree we are picking fourth because of the lack of an adequate backup QB.

Picking 4th has nothing to do with the 'lack' of a dependable RB etc. Our running game was adequate in 2015.

We have WRs who get separation. Beasley does very well but isn't used enough. Williams is a good 2nd. He is a 2 because of his hands and disappearing at times. He's good because he makes big plays. He is upgradeable but we scored 29.2PPG in 2014 under Romo with Beasley, Williams, Witten and Bryant.

But I agree we need another WR. Used to get by with two. Then three. Then three and a TE. Then three and two TEs. Now you need to be 4 and even 5 deep at WR.

Sign a vet like Jeffries or Marshall.

 

[Alexander]

The way Cowboys draft people are approaching the Wentz thing is so weird. They really don't want to talk about the guy. Even on the Draft Show, they've made a point of basically staying away from covering him in favor of some of the other prospects.

It's understandable being so far out and knowing you'll probably spend a large chunk of time talking about him as the draft gets closer, but I don't remember draft guys steering so far away from a prospect before so blatantly.

The first rule of Wentz is you don't talk about Wentz.

 

[Alexander]

Picking 4th has nothing to do with the 'lack' of a dependable RB etc. Our running game was adequate in 2015.

I know it is popular around here to assure ourselves that McFadden playing at an acceptable level down the later half of the season is reason to believe the running game did not fail, but that is hardly the way I view it. We spent the entire offseason offensive install plus a good chunk of the beginning of the season messing around with a ridiculous platoon system with first Randle and then went through the same shuffle we did at QB with the failed Michael experiment. Had McFadden been reliable and trustworthy in camp, we could have kept some of our offensive identity. He did not and it set us back. The fact he was productive when the season was lost does not mean a thing to me. And it certainly does not lead me to believe any less in the fact we need more talent at the position, including taking a quality RB out of this draft to render him to the utility role he deserves.

We have WRs who get separation. Beasley does very well but isn't used enough. Williams is a good 2nd. He is a 2 because of his hands and disappearing at times. He's good because he makes big plays. He is upgradeable but we scored 29.2PPG in 2014 under Romo with Beasley, Williams, Witten and Bryant.

Beasley is not some underutilized weapon that is ignored. He is a tiny slot receiver that benefits when coverages roll to better receivers. He had extended periods of time where he was invisible. Williams is also hot and cold and despite his "heroics" in a trash game to close the season, he failed to step up.

But I agree we need another WR. Used to get by with two. Then three. Then three and a TE. Then three and two TEs. Now you need to be 4 and even 5 deep at WR.

Sign a vet like Jeffries or Marshall.

Just like that? You do understand that Jeffries will be the most coveted (and expensive) offensive free agent? And there are no assurances the Bears will let him into free agency. And are you assuming what about Marshall? Dallas tries to trade for him?

 

[NEODOG]

So what's your plan for when Romo misses more games this year? Just curious.

So what's your plan for when Romo misses more games this year? Just curious.

Not using a #4 pick on a QB.......
Dump Cassel
As stated, see what happens in regards other QB availability.... As Bear once stated "give me a team of beer drinking, women chasing MEN & I'll give you a championship football team"
Not draft a QB at #4

 

[jobberone]

I know it is popular around here to assure ourselves that McFadden playing at an acceptable level down the later half of the season is reason to believe the running game did not fail, but that is hardly the way I view it. We spent the entire offseason offensive install plus a good chunk of the beginning of the season messing around with a ridiculous platoon system with first Randle and then went through the same shuffle we did at QB with the failed Michael experiment. Had McFadden been reliable and trustworthy in camp, we could have kept some of our offensive identity. He did not and it set us back. The fact he was productive when the season was lost does not mean a thing to me. And it certainly does not lead me to believe any less in the fact we need more talent at the position, including taking a quality RB out of this draft to render him to the utility role he deserves.

You said, " We also would not be picking fourth if we had a dependable RB capable of imposing his will." I don't know what you really mean by that for certain but several have shown the running game was effective this year. That is what you want. If you get more than an effective running game then great.

This is a false narrative in regards to us having a losing season. Never said it couldn't be better but I'm sure they are going to address RB in some way. I'll be surprised if they spend a top pick UNLESS someone THEY deem very special falls. My guess is they are looking in the middle rounds and later along with UDFA and VFAs.[/quote]


[quote="Alexander, post: 6541723, member: 2328:]Beasley is not some underutilized weapon that is ignored. He is a tiny slot receiver that benefits when coverages roll to better receivers. He had extended periods of time where he was invisible. Williams is also hot and cold and despite his "heroics" in a trash game to close the season, he failed to step up.

No way Jose. This guy gets great separation often enough to be used more. JMO. Looking at the film shows he can be uncoverable at times. I do wish he was as big as Amendola and others like him. But he is underutilized IMO.

Williams is averaging over 16.5 YPR and 44 catches per season including the first season starting only 1/2 the games. Those are good numbers. He's had three years to learn and has been improving over time. Those stats include 12+ games without Romo and the likes of Weeden, Moore and Cassel in 2015. Still 16+ YPR and 52 catches this last year.[/quote]


[quote="Alexander, post: 6541723, member: 2328:]Just like that? You do understand that Jeffries will be the most coveted (and expensive) offensive free agent? And there are no assurances the Bears will let him into free agency. And are you assuming what about Marshall? Dallas tries to trade for him?[/quote]

No, you understand I understand it's not that easy. There are other FAs. This is a poor attempt to deflect.

I'm ok but not all warm and fuzzy with the WR group we have PLUS what we we draft and UDFAs assuming no vets. Same thing with RB. They'll have WRs and RBs in camp.

I won't cry if they take a WR in the first or second.

 

[Chuck 54]

True. I grant that, but one pick, even as high as 4 isn't going to transform our D into a Superbowl winning D. It's a much larger process, so we shouldn't rule out an O player at 4.

True, but adding a DL guy who can win 1-1 consistently, making plays vs run and pushing the pocket vs pass would suddenly open a world of possibilities for Lawrence, Gregory, and a healthy Crawford. I support a stud like Bosa at LDE or a quality DT in a trade down or at 34.

In the first 3 rounds of the draft, sitting pat or trading around for additional picks, we desperately need DT, CB, and LB, and we can find adequate starting caliber guys, imo. We also should look at RB, WR, S, developmental QB, and blocking TE as lesser critical needs.

Of course, FA can change much of that. Dallas will at least look at FA QBs to see if they can sign a better option than Moore. Even if we draft a QB, either Moore or a FA will be added before the draft, imo.