DCN: We're going to miss him when he's gone

[noshame]

When Romo is gone and we go back into QB purgatory maybe some of the Romo haters will finally realize what a gem we had. Too bad he was hamstrung with Wade and trainee Garrett. Just imagine if we had a real coach for his entire career something he would have if he played for Seattle or San Francisco..

Or...we'll draft a blue chip QB and after a season you'll be saying Tony who?

 

[noshame]

I never assigned blame, it's irrelevant to me actually.

But again...what exactly will Cowboys fans miss if Romo were to retire tomorrow?

Hell will freeze over before they can come up with a legitimate answer.

 

[cml750]

Or...we'll draft a blue chip QB and after a season you'll be saying Tony who?

Yea, blue chip QB's never miss do they? Besides, until we hire a real coach, it will not matter who is under center.

 

[TheFinisher]

You think that was his fault? Without him, the last five seasons would have been over in October.

We went 5-3 without Romo in 2010 so that theory has already been disproven, yet people still love to parrot it.

 

[TheFinisher]

The point is, Kitna played at a lower level than Romo did in ANY of his seasons, yet you keep hearing how well he played.
He did play well, I thought, but not anything really special. One thing that did happen was the team that gave up on Wade had fire lit under the tails trying to assure themselves a place in the organization going forward under the new regime.
But yes, Kitna was a very good backup, imo.

Kitna was also the last winning QB we've had.

 

[TheFinisher]

That one playoff win wouldn't even exist without Romo.

Hahahahahah

Our #2 ranked defense and running game had nothing to do with that playoff win season right?

If you actually watched the team that season you'd know how wrong you were, especially in dec/jan.

Might have had 2 playoff wins if Romo didn't turn the ball over 4 times in Minnesota

 

[Eddie]

Right. We missed Danny White when his replacements were Gary Hogeboom, Steve Pelluer, and Reggie Collier.

... and Tony Romo is no Danny White.

 

[Section446]

There's no doubt that we'll miss him. Considering what we gave up to get him (zero), we're damn lucky. I just don't know that he's a Super Bowl caliber QB.

 

[Section446]

Hahahahahah

Our #2 ranked defense and running game had nothing to do with that playoff win season right?

If you actually watched the team that season you'd know how wrong you were, especially in dec/jan.

Might have had 2 playoff wins if Romo didn't turn the ball over 4 times in Minnesota

Romo was getting annihilated in that game, I don't see how anyone can blame him. That was truly a break down on the OL.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Same ol same ol....... continue to make excuses for a QB who cannot figure out a way to LEAD. I , for one will not miss him.

Your ridiculous post says more about you than Romo.

 

[Section446]

Or...we'll draft a blue chip QB and after a season you'll be saying Tony who?

And that's what I hope. We need to quit messing around and go get our Andrew Luck. Hopefully Jerry will get serious about drafting the replacement soon.

 

[rynochop]

I cant wait for him to retire and we get to throw the dart at the franchise qb board and be set for the next 15 years.

 

[DallasEast]

Nice but then you have this

or this from the same game

Those are two Interesting set of clips.

In the first clip, Tony Romo must assume practically all blame for the interception. It was a 2nd down situation with Dallas leading 36-31 with less than three minutes left in the game. It was a designed run play. The formation has three receivers to the right and one to the left. Both safeties have reset hard to the right, leaving the corner with one-on-one coverage responsibility left:

http://i356.***BLOCKED***/albums/oo4/DallasEast1701/1_zps64e981e5.jpg​

Should the quarterback audible to a pass in this situation? The one-on-one coverage with no safety help certainly affords that option. Unfortunately, the blitzer to Romo's blind side negates that option or should have made him aware that the opportunity window of throwing to his left would be minimum since the tackle was covered. The blitzer had free access to the offensive backfield.

Travis Frederick snaps the ball. Romo immediately looks left, but it is too late. The blitzer is already on him. Of course, this is Romo. In typical Romo Houdini fashion, he escapes what should have been a sure sack. However, Romo compounds the original bad defensive read with another problem which all quarterbacks must avoid--he continues backpedaling. Romo knows where the receiver, never sets his feet, and throws off the wrong foot. His delivery accuracy drops because of his imbalance. Quarterbacks should not make those throws for that reason.

One could speculate that Romo put greater emphasis in audibling out of the run to create another scoring opportunity. He saw a 26-3 lead disappear. It was 36-31 at the time. Desperation may have set in. Romo may not have wanted to leave the game's fate in the rest of the team's hands. His adrenalin may have spiked seeing the one-on-one receiver situation. It may have also caused his concentration to lapse and not account for the blitzer, Would Romo had put himself and the offense in the same situation if the defense had not collapsed in the second half and allowed the lead to go poof? Who knows but I think that was the case. Regardless, no quarterback, including Romo, should allow that type of error to happen.

Let's move on to what grinds my gears a WHOLE lot worse though.

The second clip showcases a travesty of offensive line execution. Situation? Well, the picture says it all:

http://i356.***BLOCKED***/albums/oo4/DallasEast1701/2_zps4d54ac1b.jpg​

After Denver ties the game at 48 all and the game on the line, the offensive line allows the defense to sack Romo on first down--making it 2nd and 16. Dallas needs a touchdown or field goal to end the scoring frenzied game. 2nd and 16 makes a must have drive that much more difficult. Unfortunately, the situation was what it was. Dallas must pass. The option to run, which was already small before the sack, is markedly less now. So what does Romo see before snapping the ball?

The picture says a THREE MAN FRONT with intermediate-to-deep zone coverage. Number of passing options? Two.

1. Throw short beneath the zone, pray the receiver can make a few yards, and face 3rd and long. Or
2. Throw to a weak spot in the zone and make it either 3rd and short OR a possible first down.

Time is a luxury if choice number one is chosen. The offensive line does not need to maintain their blocks for very long. Simply dump the ball over the defensive line or in the flat and think happy thoughts that the running back or receiver will break a few tackles. Happy thoughts are squashed if the defense predictably does its job and puts the ball carrier on the ground after taking a few steps.

I do not know about other fans, but I usually say, "Why the blue hell are you passing for two yards?" whenever I see option one being taken in that situation. Me? I rather see Romo do what he is paid to do. I want to see Romo patiently wait for a receiver's route to find a soft spot and accurately deliver the ball.

Unfortunately, time is not a luxury with choice number two. It is a necessity. The offensive line has two responsibilities:

1. Maintain their blocks long enough for the receiver routes to fully develop. And
2. Provide a respectable pocket for the quarterback to work with.

With a THREE-MAN FRONT, one might think that the offensive line's two responsibilities would be less than if they would face a four man front with or without a blitzer coming off the corner--a la the first clip situation. Well, I think that would be the case. Experience has taught me beyond a shadow of doubt that every critic does not think that should be the case though. Regardless, a five-man offensive line should provide a quarterback enough space to scan his receivers and step into his throw.

Doesn't sound unreasonable to me (at least). With the exception of one down during Denver's previous possession, Peyton Manning had both a respectable to exceptional pocket to work with. It served him well but it was against a four man front. The one time he got good penetration into the pocket was from his blind side after his offensive line had blocked well enough and he ample time to see the oncoming pressure.

Enough about Manning. There are three sides of protection a quarterback expects from his offensive line on any pass play.

Back to clip. Hike.

Tyron Smith gets driven back to within a yard of Romo. Smith maintains his block but the pocket is poor on that side. Romo feels pressure from his blind side but not enough to make him panic.

Doug Free does not have the Smith's problem. The defensive lineman choses to outrun Smith to Romo. No bullrush to offset. No swim move to counter. The guy just runs by him and Romo. The right side of Romo's pocket is so strong one would believe The Force played a part in creating it.

One side of the pocket left. One freaking side. Frederick is covered. Ron Leary is uncovered. Plus Leary has Smith taking care of Romo's blind side. The already deep sole linebacker left to defend underneath routes predictably drops back into coverage. Leary is looking for someone to block. Who? His mother? I do not know.

Two offensive lineman. One must block because the defensive lineman is covering him. One must provide support since he is uncovered. What happens next?

Frederick does not maintain his block. Defender penetrates the forward wall of protection. No problem though. Frederick has Leary for support. Unfortunately, Leary has flat feet. By the time Leary wakes up and realizes Frederick needs help, he cannot laterally move to counter the defensive lineman's penetration.

Quarterbacks must be able to step into their passes. Otherwise, their accuracy diminishes.

Romo sees where he wants to deliver the ball but he hurries the throw because a defender is rushing right up into his face. He begins to step into his delivery and trips on Smith's foot. A second later? Interception.

Yep. That's all on Romo. Wait. I gotta make a bathroom run. I'm back. Where was I? Oh yeah. A THREE-MAN FREAKING FRONT. That's all the offensive line needed to counter. They could have provided Romo with excellent protection and he may have thrown an interception anyway. No one will ever know for certain because that did not happen. What happen was five guys could not, with the game on the line, after allowing themselves to get beat for a sack on first down, maintain a respectable pocket for their quarterback.

A THREE-MAN FRONT. It's all Romo's fault.

Nothing against you. It's the clips, the second one in particular, which set me off. Sorry for the rant.

/rant

 

[CCBoy]

I was busy enjoying the Cowboys, and wearing my Stetson hat...when the devil popped up and to took me to hades. I still had a big smile on my face. There was moaning and groaning all about, with tears and snarled teeth to boot.

The chief task master came right up to my grill, and said, 'Son, do you know where you are?' I started to laugh and said yep.

He then asked me why I was laughing...and I replied, when I was growing up at Valley Ranch, I was always told that the only thing I had to look forward to was hell, so I'm going to enjoy that.

Well the devil himself showed back up, and mumbled under his breath...'I'm going to just show that Cowboy fan.' And then froze hell over.

Well Sir, I started to really laugh my head off...to which old Lucifer strolled up and asked, 'what now?'

In a true Cowboy's tone, I chuckled, 'I made it 'till hell froze over!'

 

[Idgit]

So basically what you'd miss would be "entertaining games during an otherwise unsuccessful season"...that's what outstanding QB play without playoffs or a winning record results in. I'm guessing that if merely "good" QB play replaces Romo's level of play but the Cowboys somehow end up making the playoffs, it will go a long ways to helping ease the pain of missing the guy.

Effective passing is only half the equation. That doesn't mean you don't miss effective passing when you don't have it. See: 2013 Commanders.

 

[DFWJC]

Kitna was also the last winning QB we've had.

No he wasn't. We did not have winning record with Kitna. Not even in the partial season.

And by the way, we were 8-7 with Romo under center just last year.

So not only did you just make up ( a LIE, in other words) something about Kitna, you ignored truth about Romo.

Agenda...maybe?

 

[LatinMind]

Those are two Interesting set of clips.

In the first clip, Tony Romo must assume practically all blame for the interception. It was a 2nd down situation with Dallas leading 36-31 with less than three minutes left in the game. It was a designed run play. The formation has three receivers to the right and one to the left. Both safeties have reset hard to the right, leaving the corner with one-on-one coverage responsibility left:

http://i356.***BLOCKED***/albums/oo4/DallasEast1701/1_zps64e981e5.jpg​

Should the quarterback audible to a pass in this situation? The one-on-one coverage with no safety help certainly affords that option. Unfortunately, the blitzer to Romo's blind side negates that option or should have made him aware that the opportunity window of throwing to his left would be minimum since the tackle was covered. The blitzer had free access to the offensive backfield.

Travis Frederick snaps the ball. Romo immediately looks left, but it is too late. The blitzer is already on him. Of course, this is Romo. In typical Romo Houdini fashion, he escapes what should have been a sure sack. However, Romo compounds the original bad defensive read with another problem which all quarterbacks must avoid--he continues backpedaling. Romo knows where the receiver, never sets his feet, and throws off the wrong foot. His delivery accuracy drops because of his imbalance. Quarterbacks should not make those throws for that reason.

One could speculate that Romo put greater emphasis in audibling out of the run to create another scoring opportunity. He saw a 26-3 lead disappear. It was 36-31 at the time. Desperation may have set in. Romo may not have wanted to leave the game's fate in the rest of the team's hands. His adrenalin may have spiked seeing the one-on-one receiver situation. It may have also caused his concentration to lapse and not account for the blitzer, Would Romo had put himself and the offense in the same situation if the defense had not collapsed in the second half and allowed the lead to go poof? Who knows but I think that was the case. Regardless, no quarterback, including Romo, should allow that type of error to happen.

Let's move on to what grinds my gears a WHOLE lot worse though.

The second clip showcases a travesty of offensive line execution. Situation? Well, the picture says it all:

http://i356.***BLOCKED***/albums/oo4/DallasEast1701/2_zps4d54ac1b.jpg​

After Denver ties the game at 48 all and the game on the line, the offensive line allows the defense to sack Romo on first down--making it 2nd and 16. Dallas needs a touchdown or field goal to end the scoring frenzied game. 2nd and 16 makes a must have drive that much more difficult. Unfortunately, the situation was what it was. Dallas must pass. The option to run, which was already small before the sack, is markedly less now. So what does Romo see before snapping the ball?

The picture says a THREE MAN FRONT with intermediate-to-deep zone coverage. Number of passing options? Two.

1. Throw short beneath the zone, pray the receiver can make a few yards, and face 3rd and long. Or
2. Throw to a weak spot in the zone and make it either 3rd and short OR a possible first down.

Time is a luxury if choice number one is chosen. The offensive line does not need to maintain their blocks for very long. Simply dump the ball over the defensive line or in the flat and think happy thoughts that the running back or receiver will break a few tackles. Happy thoughts are squashed if the defense predictably does its job and puts the ball carrier on the ground after taking a few steps.

I do not know about other fans, but I usually say, "Why the blue hell are you passing for two yards?" whenever I see option one being taken in that situation. Me? I rather see Romo do what he is paid to do. I want to see Romo patiently wait for a receiver's route to find a soft spot and accurately deliver the ball.

Unfortunately, time is not a luxury with choice number two. It is a necessity. The offensive line has two responsibilities:

1. Maintain their blocks long enough for the receiver routes to fully develop. And
2. Provide a respectable pocket for the quarterback to work with.

With a THREE-MAN FRONT, one might think that the offensive line's two responsibilities would be less than if they would face a four man front with or without a blitzer coming off the corner--a la the first clip situation. Well, I think that would be the case. Experience has taught me beyond a shadow of doubt that every critic does not think that should be the case though. Regardless, a five-man offensive line should provide a quarterback enough space to scan his receivers and step into his throw.

Doesn't sound unreasonable to me (at least). With the exception of one down during Denver's previous possession, Peyton Manning had both a respectable to exceptional pocket to work with. It served him well but it was against a four man front. The one time he got good penetration into the pocket was from his blind side after his offensive line had blocked well enough and he ample time to see the oncoming pressure.

Enough about Manning. There are three sides of protection a quarterback expects from his offensive line on any pass play.

Back to clip. Hike.

Tyron Smith gets driven back to within a yard of Romo. Smith maintains his block but the pocket is poor on that side. Romo feels pressure from his blind side but not enough to make him panic.

Doug Free does not have the Smith's problem. The defensive lineman choses to outrun Smith to Romo. No bullrush to offset. No swim move to counter. The guy just runs by him and Romo. The right side of Romo's pocket is so strong one would believe The Force played a part in creating it.

One side of the pocket left. One freaking side. Frederick is covered. Ron Leary is uncovered. Plus Leary has Smith taking care of Romo's blind side. The already deep sole linebacker left to defend underneath routes predictably drops back into coverage. Leary is looking for someone to block. Who? His mother? I do not know.

Two offensive lineman. One must block because the defensive lineman is covering him. One must provide support since he is uncovered. What happens next?

Frederick does not maintain his block. Defender penetrates the forward wall of protection. No problem though. Frederick has Leary for support. Unfortunately, Leary has flat feet. By the time Leary wakes up and realizes Frederick needs help, he cannot laterally move to counter the defensive lineman's penetration.

Quarterbacks must be able to step into their passes. Otherwise, their accuracy diminishes.

Romo sees where he wants to deliver the ball but he hurries the throw because a defender is rushing right up into his face. He begins to step into his delivery and trips on Smith's foot. A second later? Interception.

Yep. That's all on Romo. Wait. I gotta make a bathroom run. I'm back. Where was I? Oh yeah. A THREE-MAN FREAKING FRONT. That's all the offensive line needed to counter. They could have provided Romo with excellent protection and he may have thrown an interception anyway. No one will ever know for certain because that did not happen. What happen was five guys could not, with the game on the line, after allowing themselves to get beat for a sack on first down, maintain a respectable pocket for their quarterback.

A THREE-MAN FRONT. It's all Romo's fault.

Nothing against you. It's the clips, the second one in particular, which set me off. Sorry for the rant.

/rant

you forgot to mention where Romo had Murray right in front of him with nobody within 7 yrds of him in that denver play. Thats always been Romos biggest problem not willing to go with the simple option. He was standing right in front of him but would rather throw to Escobar who has 3 guys around him.

 

[tyke1doe]

I don't want to get on the bash Tony Romo bandwagon, but did anyone miss Danny White when he was gone?
I didn't.
With all due respect, you don't miss a quarterback (any quarterback) who doesn't lead your team to the Promise Land for multiple victories, unless just having a competent quarterback who keeps you contending is something to miss.
And even then, I don't know if most people would miss him unless he was that rare stud of a quarterback.
Romo hasn't done anything for me to miss. What's the difference between almost making the playoffs and not making the playoffs? Ultimately, it's the same thing. What would I be missing?
Besides, when your time is done, your time is done. I loved Roger Staubach (Well, when I became a Cowboys fan after the drafting of Tony Dorsett). But when he left, I didn't miss him. He had played all he could.
Same with Dorsett (my favorite player), same for Troy Aikman.
When Romo leaves and if our team goes 4-12 three consecutive years, I doubt I'll be saying "Boy, I sure do miss Tony Romo." No, I'm likely going to be saying, "Jerry Jones doesn't have a clue as to how to run the football side of his empire." And that's because the blame doesn't lay totally on Romo. Therefore, I won't miss him.
It's not like we did anything with him (so far) anyway.

 

[Coy]

He had one of the best HC in the history of the game(parcells) 2007. Had the #3 offense and #9 defense. Still couldnt get it done. He's great from sept to nov. But at the end of the yr, i dont want him as the Cowboys qb. Thats all im saying

It was 2006, and he had Parcells (being a starter) as a HC for all of 10 games in his entire career.
Don't you think those high ranking offenses were mostly because of him?

On the last part, that's your prerogative, I obviously disagree with you but everybody should have their own opinions and I respect that.

 

[noshame]

Those are two Interesting set of clips.

In the first clip, Tony Romo must assume practically all blame for the interception. It was a 2nd down situation with Dallas leading 36-31 with less than three minutes left in the game. It was a designed run play. The formation has three receivers to the right and one to the left. Both safeties have reset hard to the right, leaving the corner with one-on-one coverage responsibility left:

http://i356.***BLOCKED***/albums/oo4/DallasEast1701/1_zps64e981e5.jpg​

Should the quarterback audible to a pass in this situation? The one-on-one coverage with no safety help certainly affords that option. Unfortunately, the blitzer to Romo's blind side negates that option or should have made him aware that the opportunity window of throwing to his left would be minimum since the tackle was covered. The blitzer had free access to the offensive backfield.

Travis Frederick snaps the ball. Romo immediately looks left, but it is too late. The blitzer is already on him. Of course, this is Romo. In typical Romo Houdini fashion, he escapes what should have been a sure sack. However, Romo compounds the original bad defensive read with another problem which all quarterbacks must avoid--he continues backpedaling. Romo knows where the receiver, never sets his feet, and throws off the wrong foot. His delivery accuracy drops because of his imbalance. Quarterbacks should not make those throws for that reason.

One could speculate that Romo put greater emphasis in audibling out of the run to create another scoring opportunity. He saw a 26-3 lead disappear. It was 36-31 at the time. Desperation may have set in. Romo may not have wanted to leave the game's fate in the rest of the team's hands. His adrenalin may have spiked seeing the one-on-one receiver situation. It may have also caused his concentration to lapse and not account for the blitzer, Would Romo had put himself and the offense in the same situation if the defense had not collapsed in the second half and allowed the lead to go poof? Who knows but I think that was the case. Regardless, no quarterback, including Romo, should allow that type of error to happen.

Let's move on to what grinds my gears a WHOLE lot worse though.

The second clip showcases a travesty of offensive line execution. Situation? Well, the picture says it all:

http://i356.***BLOCKED***/albums/oo4/DallasEast1701/2_zps4d54ac1b.jpg​

After Denver ties the game at 48 all and the game on the line, the offensive line allows the defense to sack Romo on first down--making it 2nd and 16. Dallas needs a touchdown or field goal to end the scoring frenzied game. 2nd and 16 makes a must have drive that much more difficult. Unfortunately, the situation was what it was. Dallas must pass. The option to run, which was already small before the sack, is markedly less now. So what does Romo see before snapping the ball?

The picture says a THREE MAN FRONT with intermediate-to-deep zone coverage. Number of passing options? Two.

1. Throw short beneath the zone, pray the receiver can make a few yards, and face 3rd and long. Or
2. Throw to a weak spot in the zone and make it either 3rd and short OR a possible first down.

Time is a luxury if choice number one is chosen. The offensive line does not need to maintain their blocks for very long. Simply dump the ball over the defensive line or in the flat and think happy thoughts that the running back or receiver will break a few tackles. Happy thoughts are squashed if the defense predictably does its job and puts the ball carrier on the ground after taking a few steps.

I do not know about other fans, but I usually say, "Why the blue hell are you passing for two yards?" whenever I see option one being taken in that situation. Me? I rather see Romo do what he is paid to do. I want to see Romo patiently wait for a receiver's route to find a soft spot and accurately deliver the ball.

Unfortunately, time is not a luxury with choice number two. It is a necessity. The offensive line has two responsibilities:

1. Maintain their blocks long enough for the receiver routes to fully develop. And
2. Provide a respectable pocket for the quarterback to work with.

With a THREE-MAN FRONT, one might think that the offensive line's two responsibilities would be less than if they would face a four man front with or without a blitzer coming off the corner--a la the first clip situation. Well, I think that would be the case. Experience has taught me beyond a shadow of doubt that every critic does not think that should be the case though. Regardless, a five-man offensive line should provide a quarterback enough space to scan his receivers and step into his throw.

Doesn't sound unreasonable to me (at least). With the exception of one down during Denver's previous possession, Peyton Manning had both a respectable to exceptional pocket to work with. It served him well but it was against a four man front. The one time he got good penetration into the pocket was from his blind side after his offensive line had blocked well enough and he ample time to see the oncoming pressure.

Enough about Manning. There are three sides of protection a quarterback expects from his offensive line on any pass play.

Back to clip. Hike.

Tyron Smith gets driven back to within a yard of Romo. Smith maintains his block but the pocket is poor on that side. Romo feels pressure from his blind side but not enough to make him panic.

Doug Free does not have the Smith's problem. The defensive lineman choses to outrun Smith to Romo. No bullrush to offset. No swim move to counter. The guy just runs by him and Romo. The right side of Romo's pocket is so strong one would believe The Force played a part in creating it.

One side of the pocket left. One freaking side. Frederick is covered. Ron Leary is uncovered. Plus Leary has Smith taking care of Romo's blind side. The already deep sole linebacker left to defend underneath routes predictably drops back into coverage. Leary is looking for someone to block. Who? His mother? I do not know.

Two offensive lineman. One must block because the defensive lineman is covering him. One must provide support since he is uncovered. What happens next?

Frederick does not maintain his block. Defender penetrates the forward wall of protection. No problem though. Frederick has Leary for support. Unfortunately, Leary has flat feet. By the time Leary wakes up and realizes Frederick needs help, he cannot laterally move to counter the defensive lineman's penetration.

Quarterbacks must be able to step into their passes. Otherwise, their accuracy diminishes.

Romo sees where he wants to deliver the ball but he hurries the throw because a defender is rushing right up into his face. He begins to step into his delivery and trips on Smith's foot. A second later? Interception.

Yep. That's all on Romo. Wait. I gotta make a bathroom run. I'm back. Where was I? Oh yeah. A THREE-MAN FREAKING FRONT. That's all the offensive line needed to counter. They could have provided Romo with excellent protection and he may have thrown an interception anyway. No one will ever know for certain because that did not happen. What happen was five guys could not, with the game on the line, after allowing themselves to get beat for a sack on first down, maintain a respectable pocket for their quarterback.

A THREE-MAN FRONT. It's all Romo's fault.

Nothing against you. It's the clips, the second one in particular, which set me off. Sorry for the rant.

/rant

Good Lord people, there is option 3, see that big stud WR out to the left with a CB 11 yards off him? I would like to think if Romo zipped the ball out there to him, more than likely he'd do some damage.

But alas, then one would have to remember the last time Romo zipped a ball to the sidelines, because that's all but disappeared for his arsenal.