Dean Blandino, Asst VP of Officiating, explains what a catch is if you're a Bengals WR

ChldsPlay said:
Do the math in your head. You're saying he was more horizontal than vertical...That's not the case at all. The opposite is true.

His 3rd step is off because he was tripped.
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Hs entire trajectory was affected by the trip. At his 2nd step, he's headed straight down the field and forward -- perpendicular to the goal line. Then comes the trip. Note how that 3rd step is interrupted violently by the trip. Dez's right leg is taken out from under him and it throws his body down and toward the sideline. Now he's suddenly headed nowhere -- directly toward the pylon and down.

There are other visible effects of the trip. Compare the length of his stride between 1st step and 2nd step, with the length of the stride between 2nd and 3rd. Also notice how the 2nd step is a normal heel-to-toe step, but then the trip occurs, and his 3rd step isn't even heel-to-toe, it's just the toe. That's because he'd just lost his balance. He'd just been tackled.

He was not continuously out of balance from the the 1st step to the 3rd. Certainly not irrefutably so.
 
from the article. "as the referees do not consider falling as taking steps."

really? The guy on the field consider it.

and now some guy in a replay booth is going to determine what a step is, and what falling down is, even though the video clearly shows 3 STEPS!!!!

No, John Q Public. Those weren't STEPS. That was him falling down.

And Pittsburgh Gene says so without any doubt what so ever!!!
 
percyhoward said:
Hs entire trajectory was affected by the trip. At his 2nd step, he's headed straight down the field and forward -- perpendicular to the goal line. Then comes the trip. Note how that 3rd step is interrupted violently by the trip. Dez's right leg is taken out from under him and it throws his body down and toward the sideline. Now he's suddenly headed nowhere -- directly toward the pylon and down.

There are other visible effects of the trip. Compare the length of his stride between 1st step and 2nd step, with the length of the stride between 2nd and 3rd. Also notice how the 2nd step is a normal heel-to-toe step, but then the trip occurs, and his 3rd step isn't even heel-to-toe, it's just the toe. That's because he'd just lost his balance. He'd just been tackled.

He was not continuously out of balance from the the 1st step to the 3rd. Certainly not irrefutably so.
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Yep. Clear as day.
 
percyhoward said:
Hs entire trajectory was affected by the trip. At his 2nd step, he's headed straight down the field and forward -- perpendicular to the goal line. Then comes the trip. Note how that 3rd step is interrupted violently by the trip. Dez's right leg is taken out from under him and it throws his body down and toward the sideline. Now he's suddenly headed nowhere -- directly toward the pylon and down.

There are other visible effects of the trip. Compare the length of his stride between 1st step and 2nd step, with the length of the stride between 2nd and 3rd. Also notice how the 2nd step is a normal heel-to-toe step, but then the trip occurs, and his 3rd step isn't even heel-to-toe, it's just the toe. That's because he'd just lost his balance. He'd just been tackled.

He was not continuously out of balance from the the 1st step to the 3rd. Certainly not irrefutably so.
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Homer it out, man. I'm not stopping you. But please do realize you're not being objective here.

It never even crossed anyone's mind -- Periera's, Blandino's or otherwise -- that he wasn't actually "going to the ground." It's too obvious for them to even address it.
 
theogt said:
Homer it out, man. I'm not stopping you. But please do realize you're not being objective here.

It never even crossed anyone's mind -- Periera's, Blandino's or otherwise -- that he wasn't actually "going to the ground." It's too obvious for them to even address it.
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the entire point of replay is to find out the obvious...or Irrefutable....

maybe they shouldve taken into account and their minds/thoughts, the entire play before making assumptions and their 100% irrefutable determination.....
 
Ok so let's say the trip continues his "fall" or that he never had full balance in their determination, I still think they miss the fact that dez does not lose possession of the ball until the ball is off the ground and that his shoulder pad is actually what caused it, not the ground. The ball does not contact the ground while dez does not have possession. It just appears that the ground causes it to pop up when you are not paying close attention, he maintains his grip all the way up to his shoulder pad which then forces the back tip to rotate and start sliding from his pointed grip.
 
theogt said:
Homer it out, man. I'm not stopping you. But please do realize you're not being objective here.
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Hate to let analysis get in the way of some good name-calling, but the issue is whether the replay officials saw indisputable evidence that Dez would have fallen to the ground on his own. Juxtaposed with the earlier pic is an image from Dez's 32-yd TD catch against the Eagles in week 17 of 2013.


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percyhoward said:
Hate to let analysis get in the way of some good name-calling, but the issue is whether the replay officials saw indisputable evidence that Dez would have fallen to the ground on his own. Juxtaposed with the earlier pic is an image from Dez's 32-yd TD catch against the Eagles in week 17 of 2013.


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The second one is very different. He actually has a knee out in front of his torso with his foot planting into the ground. On the top picture, his knees are behind his torso and inches from the ground, with his feet in a position where it's physically impossible to plant flatly into the ground. Thanks again for the proof of my point.
 
theogt said:
The second one is very different. He actually has a knee out in front of his torso with his foot planting into the ground. On the top picture, his knees are behind his torso and inches from the ground, with his feet in a position where it's physically impossible to plant flatly into the ground. Thanks again for the proof of my point.
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You never have a point.
 
theogt said:
The second one is very different. He actually has a knee out in front of his torso with his foot planting into the ground. On the top picture, his knees are behind his torso and inches from the ground, with his feet in a position where it's physically impossible to plant flatly into the ground. Thanks again for the proof of my point.
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actually it looks like he is more upright in the GB Pic.

These two pics are great. Its an example of what Cowboys fans and Dez fans have been watching for awhile Now. this is how he runs. reckless . out of control. and with passion. his mind is two steps ahead of his body and he "wills" his body to get there.

but i am glad people off-the-field/bystanders, can determine when a step forward is true and when its falling down, even 3 steps forward is not really stepping forward, its falling down. no matter if there is a defenders leg contacting the players crotch area and leg.....

and to assume something is physically impossible. especially for Dez. is a bad assumption. may be physically impossible for you and me......but there is a reason he is top 3 wr in the league....


i am so impressed that people can determine that with indisputable conviction....

good discussion though....
 
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nalam said:
Co-incidentally I ran into a couple of perfect strangers at Hoover dam , Seattle fans saying "go Seahawks" , I countered " Go Cowboys" , they were dumbfounded a bit and acknowledged we are a good team and we wished each other best.!
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OK I do not like scenario. it read like a Hollywood scripp and I would be happier if you had told them, you say: "Yo mama!" that is the way to treat the others. When opposing fans embrace and be friendly nothing good come out of that you should no that. OK, next time just say, you just say: "Yo mama!" and then hurl what is handy. I say this with you best inventions. Do not be passive and friendly. friendly only works at the point of sale in a parking lot, ok?
 
slow-mo catch. youtube.

4 things for me.

1st: clear possession even after the ball was tipped by defender, as the first foot went to ground.

2nd. probably the most important; shift of the hips and body, straight forward, towards the end zone as the second foot hits the ground and a clear running motion.....towards the end zone,

3rd. a shift of the ball to the other arm, after the above has already happened.

4th. a defenders leg making contact with Dezs leg which ends up down by his ankle. tripping him up and forcing him to make a futile lunge at the goal line.

there is no way this isnt a catch. even under this "rule" used twice now, by Pittsburgh Gene.

and there is certainly, no way there was irrefutable evidence.

cowboyszone, regular fans, football fans and the general public got, jobbed. bamboozled. lied too. cheated.

I refuse to believe this was an honest mistake....
 
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Hmmm - Pittsburgh Gene. I wonder if he has a house next to Bill Levy? Imagine the chuckles those two have over a few beers.
 
theogt said:
Homer it out, man. I'm not stopping you. But please do realize you're not being objective here.

It never even crossed anyone's mind -- Periera's, Blandino's or otherwise -- that he wasn't actually "going to the ground." It's too obvious for them to even address it.
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Here's the thing that tells me it was a football move. Given the call, if the same exact play happened the same way, is there anyway Dez could have "fallen" differently? His hands or arms are roughly parallel. he puts the right down first and then raises the left hand/arm to get extra yards. The call on the field was catch and down. The replay has to show conclusive evidence there was no such move. The slow motion replay really shows the effort. It shows intent to advance. you can really only do that under control (i.e. possession)
 
DandyDon1722 said:
Hmmm - Pittsburgh Gene. I wonder if he has a house next to Bill Levy? Imagine the chuckles those two have over a few beers.
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ohh yeah. i know these guys well. have many friends in area. grew up "close" to the area.

they HATE the cowboys. more then we hate them. and even to this day. they hate baltimore more....but, they hold a special hatred for the Cowboys...

when Pittsburgh Gene sees a cowboys uniform, i guarantee negative thoughts comes to his mind. thoughts of the greatest ever , Staubach. he aint smiling, that's for sure.

also, and i don't fault them for this, the are very very loyal people. loyal to the area and to their sports teams.

he owns a buisness in the area too. he just made a bunch of friends. thats for sure.

:) ;) i joke . i reall do. but man, the conflict of interest is compelling....
 
JoeBoBBY said:
slow-mo catch. youtube.

4 things for me.

1st: clear possession even after the ball was tipped by defender, as the first foot went to ground.

2nd. probably the most important; shift of the hips and body, straight forward, towards the end zone as the second foot hits the ground and a clear running motion.....towards the end zone,

3rd. a shift of the ball to the other arm, after the above has already happened.

4th. a defenders leg making contact with Dezs leg which ends up down by his ankle. tripping him up and forcing him to make a futile lunge at the goal line.

there is no way this isnt a catch. even under this "rule" used twice now, by Pittsburgh Gene.

and there is certainly, no way there was irrefutable evidence.

cowboyszone, regular fans, football fans and the general public got, jobbed. bamboozled. lied too. cheated.

I refuse to believe this was an honest mistake....
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i would like to add. yes, all this happens very very fast.

but the guy on the field got it right. and, isnt this what replay is for?
 
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