Defense Defense Defense

[Tom [Giants fan]]

This is the philosophy the Giants are supposed to be taking up this offseason. But they have a long way to go. There is very little talent on defense for the Giants. A lot of work to do.

 

[Bleu Star]

Looking at these Championship games what seems to be a common theme is we need to bolster this Defense to top 5 with a murderers row of a front 7. Even with Denver's safeties out do to injury, because they had pass rush they pulled it off in the end.

You can assembly the greatest collection of orchestrated defensive talent in the world. If you skimp on the conductor, you look like us.

That said, RB, QB, and WR are all needs on that other side of the ball no one cares about.

 

[CCBoy]

“The first thing I totally agree with is you’ve got to have pass rush,” said Cowboys executive vice president Stephen Jones. “We had better pass rush, but we’ve got to get better. However we get it, however we go about acquiring the players that are going to give us that pass rush is always going to be at the top of our list in terms of need.”

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2016/01/27/improving-cowboys-pass-rush-remains-familiar-concern

 

[noshame]

Rod's refusal to attack made our DL look average. You need to keep the OL off balance not knowing where the pressure is coming from, when he brought pressure we looked above average and had success. Rod's philosophy of using the DL to tie up blockers allowing the LB to make plays is effective in allowing range, but not in pressuring the QB, part of the reason we had no picks. He needs to alter his play calling approach, or step down.

Honestly between the DC and the OC on this team it's hard to evaluate some positions at all. A balanced approach to the draft is the best option, maybe leaning a little towards defense, but if a bargain is there on either side of the ball, take him.

 

[noshame]

You can assembly the greatest collection of orchestrated defensive talent in the world. If you skimp on the conductor, you look like us.

That said, RB, QB, and WR are all needs on that other side of the ball no one cares about.

I care

 

[DandyDon52]

You are just as bad as the other guy.

NE won and was in the Super Bowl because of their offense.

Just because the final play was a good one by the defense it doesn't change anything,

Was it great defense by NE that allowed SEA to go 80yards in under a minute to end both halves. No.
Was it great defense that led NE to 2 long scoring drives in the 4th quarter, no it was Tom Brady.

Well NE shut out Seattle in the 4th qtr, 0 points, with the final being 28-24, I think the defense did its part allowing
no points when it counted. They bent but didnt break
Those two were evenly matched, both had good offense and defense, neither one was in "great" category.

Denver has been playing in the "great" category more than Carolina has.
and Carolina has played "Great" offense and defense at times.

 

[CyberB0b]

Rod's refusal to attack made our DL look average. You need to keep the OL off balance not knowing where the pressure is coming from, when he brought pressure we looked above average and had success. Rod's philosophy of using the DL to tie up blockers allowing the LB to make plays is effective in allowing range, but not in pressuring the QB, part of the reason we had no picks. He needs to alter his play calling approach, or step down.

Honestly between the DC and the OC on this team it's hard to evaluate some positions at all. A balanced approach to the draft is the best option, maybe leaning a little towards defense, but if a bargain is there on either side of the ball, take him.

His scheme relies on a DT getting pressure. Crawford was hurt. His scheme also relies on the ends getting pressure. Gregory was hurt, Hardy fell off a cliff after a few weeks, and DLaw didn't produce until late in the season.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

If you think that means they won the SB BECAUSE of their defense then you are a sandwich short of a picnic.

One play vs a whole season. NE won because of Brady.

That's absurd it's an entire team effort. Brady threw 2 or 3 picks in that game. NE defense got some huge stops and the patriots offense and special teams got hot and took the lead and the patriots defense made that last cruicial stop. Total team effort. Only Uneducated fans say it was "all Brady".

 

[Zekeats]

Some very strong defenses are taking the games, this year. Wade Phillips doesn't look nearly so dumb now.

Wade was always a great defensive coordinator. He just never should have been a head coach and everyone knew that.

 

[Bullflop]

Judging from the language being put forth by Stephen lately, it seems quite possible that the drafting of personnel to augment our pass rush may take precedence over drafting a QB with pick #4.

 

[noshame]

His scheme relies on a DT getting pressure. Crawford was hurt. His scheme also relies on the ends getting pressure. Gregory was hurt, Hardy fell off a cliff after a few weeks, and DLaw didn't produce until late in the season.

Agreed, but if the OL isn't concerned about pressure coming form the LBs it makes blocking the DL much easier.

 

[jnday]

Go read up on the thread about fixing the defense and get back to me...beings YOU didn't watch the winners of the AFC and NFC Division Championships yesterday, AND didn't understand what happened there.

Romo is the ticket for the Cowboys right now...period. Play with coulda, woulda, shoulda's all one wishes.

By the way, the 'Dynasty' Cowboys had TWO first round wide receivers...Irvin and Harper.

I think that you might want to consider the fact that Romo is not the future of this team. His health has made him a part time player. QB play lost more games this year than the defense and it is wise to fix the problem now.

 

[Nightman]

That's absurd it's an entire team effort. Brady threw 2 or 3 picks in that game. NE defense got some huge stops and the patriots offense and special teams got hot and took the lead and the patriots defense made that last cruicial stop. Total team effort. Only Uneducated fans say it was "all Brady".

Man you guys are thick.

This entire thread is based on the premise the Defense wins Championships and I pointed out that wasn't the case last year.

SEA had the shutdown D and NE had Brady, Gronk and Edelman.
Guess what???? Brady sliced and diced SEA's killer secondary and even overcame 2 INTs to win the game with 2 long TD drives in the 4th quarter OR crunch time.

SEA had to make a stop and they couldn't.
Defense failed. Offense prevailed.

Everyone was copying SEA 2 years ago, then it was back to copying Brady and now its back to copying DEN and their front 4. This league and DAL especially is so reactive and not proactive it's sickening.

 

[Kalyan]

Since Jimmy left, Jerry tried different ways to improve our Defense, invested draft picks, changed schemes and I don't think he is getting it right as he is always trying to copy some teams defensive philosophy but by the time we implement it, the rest of the league's offenses had caught up with it.

Cave Campo's, Mike Zimmer's - Bend but don't break defense, lets win with offense (didn't work)
3-4 Defense under Parcells - Zimmer had to learn new defense and implement 3-4 as it was all the craze (didn't work)
3-4 Defense under Wade Phillips - Wade is the master of blitzing and we will destroy the QB's in the league (didn't work)
3-4 Defense under Rob Ryan - Rob was able to limit Brady with limited options at cleaveland, he will do wonders with our talent (didn't work)
Switch to 4-3 Tampa defense: Kiffin/Rod - Tampa defense is so great that it won SB to Tampa in 1999? (didn't work so far)

 

[stilltheguru88]

Man you guys are thick.

This entire thread is based on the premise the Defense wins Championships and I pointed out that wasn't the case last year.

SEA had the shutdown D and NE had Brady, Gronk and Edelman.
Guess what???? Brady sliced and diced SEA's killer secondary and even overcame 2 INTs to win the game with 2 long TD drives in the 4th quarter OR crunch time.

SEA had to make a stop and they couldn't.
Defense failed. Offense prevailed.

Everyone was copying SEA 2 years ago, then it was back to copying Brady and now its back to copying DEN and their front 4. This league and DAL especially is so reactive and not proactive it's sickening.

What happened was Malcolm butler (defender) made a play that only Scandrick maybe makes, and thats iffy.

 

[CCBoy]

I think that you might want to consider the fact that Romo is not the future of this team. His health has made him a part time player. QB play lost more games this year than the defense and it is wise to fix the problem now.

jnday, you know by now, that I'm not a burn barrel buddy or a fatalist in my views...

but your questioning Tony's longevity, is something even the Dalals Cowboys have done over the more recent period of time. They are aware that having a much less effective talent leading the team, is far from advantageous. Having their pants down won't be an issue in the present.

But on Tony, his back has been repaired and is again at a functional level now. As to his collar bone, it would take Donald Trump to make that a bad picture. It will not break again, where it will be repaired. I have a plate in my left hand right now, from time in Service.

I won't short change you for raising a question, where it may be a normal fan reaction. To this fan, although, he is quite a productive quarterback and if he and Dez Bryant are both on the field regularly, the Cowboys will be very tough to contain. To me, three seasons is reasonable.

 

[Nightman]

What happened was Malcolm butler (defender) made a play that only Scandrick maybe makes, and thats iffy.

After he allowed SEA to go 80 yards in under a minute....great D....just like the end of the first half.....If Lynch scores at the end of the game it's 31-28 SEA hardly a defensive battle....

 

[Bullflop]

I have no preconceived idea whether or not Romo's health will hold out long enough for him to complete a full season or not. I'm greatly relieved by the news that a plate is being strongly considered to be inserted in Tony's collarbone. Having noted as much, whether his back sustains him throughout a full season remains to be seen but the same might well be said for any other of his body parts. All QBs are vulnerable to injury and Romo isn't a spring chicken any longer. Nevertheless, let's not prematurely assume he'll either remain healthy nor be injury prone. Only time will tell about that.

 

[Kalyan]

What happened was Malcolm butler (defender) made a play that only Scandrick maybe makes, and thats iffy.

That is exactly what I meant that in the end Defense won NE the championship

 

[jnday]

Wade was always a great defensive coordinator. He just never should have been a head coach and everyone knew that.

Wade's problem was that he expected pro players to act like pro players instead of lazy children. He was too good of a man to put up with the spoiled brats.