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[Galian Beast]

As a player, his knowledge of the game was tested extensively by the Cowboys as part of his role as backup. This wasn't a blank slate as suggested. He gained diversity through changes of coahces as well as team. Once a coach, one can't say that he was limited by a positional job, as most coaches develop up through that very start on a staff in the NFL.

That or a path through the collegiate ranks in a similar manner. True, he wasn't yet a head coach...but who would have been that foolish to start a short coaching career at that level? No one, of course...but Jason was interviewed on the same level as all other candidates at that time.

The guy has no business being a head coach in the NFL. Has zero experience in my mind.

 

[JoeKing]

Nobody was bashing him for his age last season, most of us thought he was essential to retain so that goes to show you that it is all about football.

Everybody is looking for a scapegoat after a bad season. I can make a thread praising Zack Martin and I guarantee someone bashes him before the second page...it is just the nature of fans after a bad season.

Stop appointing yourself the spokesman for "everyone". If you weren't bashing him for his age then fine, say so and be done with it... I accept you at your word.

 

[CCBoy]

The guy has no business being a head coach in the NFL. Has zero experience in my mind.

Your opinion is fine...I'm not knocking that in the least.

My view is that six seasons and defineable elements of change and improvements does make a difference.

 

[robjay04]

Stop appointing yourself the spokesman for "everyone". If you weren't bashing him for his age then fine, say so and be done with it... I accept you at your word.

You're trying to say the majority did not want him back a year ago? The fact we wanted him back a year after a 12-4 season and now some wants to dump him after 4-12 should show its not about age...its disgruntled fans looking for some kind of accountability from our staff.

 

[Galian Beast]

Your opinion is fine...I'm not knocking that in the least.

My view is that six seasons and defineable elements of change and improvements does make a difference.

Six years of improvements? Not sure what you've been watching. This team is the definition of average, and that's only because we have an elite qb at the helm.

Bill Parcells who I don't think did a great job here had us in the playoffs twice in four years, and a positive record in three of four years. Wade Phillips had 3 straight winning seasons, won the division twice, and got ousted because of one bad year, where the offense was at least as responsible as the defense...

Stunning to me.

 

[JoeKing]

You're trying to say the majority did not want him back a year ago? The fact we wanted him back a year after a 12-4 season and now some wants to dump him after 4-12 should show its not about age...its disgruntled fans looking for some kind of accountability from our staff.

Speak for yourself. I'm not "trying" to say anything... I am saying it and it's not what you are saying I am saying. Putting words in my mouth will make your point. Accountability does not require blood to be spilled in all cases.

 

[Galian Beast]

You're trying to say the majority did not want him back a year ago? The fact we wanted him back a year after a 12-4 season and now some wants to dump him after 4-12 should show its not about age...its disgruntled fans looking for some kind of accountability from our staff.

Even after 12-4, I did not want him back. I was willing to give him more time as he appeared to right the ship, and I thought we had a healthy offseason, minus not addressing the secondary, but I never really wanted him back. If everything goes perfectly, maybe he can have success, but that's always a big if.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/the-ticket-question-of-the-day.326515/#post-6193338

 

[IrishAnto]

At some point? I don't think the team is well run. I think we have a pretty poor head coach who has no business being head coach of an NFL team. He should have been a QBs coach for a decade before becoming an offensive coordinator, and an offensive coordinator for another ten years before becoming a head coach. Garrett has been fast tracked and for no reason whatsoever.

He played way too late into his career as a backup. Most coaches would retire much earlier and then go immediately into position coaching for a while. This guy was literally a QBs coach for two years and then was hired as an offensive coordinator... that's insane. It's not even like he developed someone in Miami either. He was an offensive coordinator for 3 and a half years before being made a head coach.

He has to be one of the least experienced head coach in nfl history.

Garrett didn't appoint himself.

The man who did should be the target of your displeasure.

 

[Galian Beast]

Garrett didn't appoint himself.

The man who did should be the target of your displeasure.

You're right, but I feel the HC is more likely to change than the owner/gm... And as a GM I would say that he has done a fairly decent job, especially lately, whereas the HC has definitely been a failure.

 

[CCBoy]

Six years of improvements? Not sure what you've been watching. This team is the definition of average, and that's only because we have an elite qb at the helm.

Bill Parcells who I don't think did a great job here had us in the playoffs twice in four years, and a positive record in three of four years. Wade Phillips had 3 straight winning seasons, won the division twice, and got ousted because of one bad year, where the offense was at least as responsible as the defense...

Stunning to me.

First off, a solid cap picture finally...and this season.

Next, a very quality offensive line where a shell of injured players existed when he arrived.

Tony Romo and his receivers putting up very NFL top shelf numbers over a period of years.

Last season, the NFL's top producing running back...

Now, be realistic and not just a crying pessimist when presenting a picture. There are both elements in a complete picture. Not just crying material and framed as such.

 

[Galian Beast]

First off, a solid cap picture finally...and this season.

Next, a very quality offensive line where a shell of injured players existed when he arrived.

Tony Romo and his receivers putting up very NFL top shelf numbers over a period of years.

Last season, the NFL's top producing running back...

Now, be realistic and not just a crying pessimist when presenting a picture. There are both elements in a complete picture. Not just crying material and framed as such.

Much of this was simply a function of bad contracts from before falling off the books. You have an elite QB and that alone saves you from dumping resources into finding a QB. That is what has allowed the cowboys to be competitive and productive. We saw exactly how good this offense was without Romo. This guy couldn't win more than 1 game without Romo at the helm... It's not Garrett who kept this team afloat.

 

[IrishAnto]

You're right, but I feel the HC is more likely to change than the owner/gm... And as a GM I would say that he has done a fairly decent job, especially lately, whereas the HC has definitely been a failure.

Don't hold your breath.

I bet the HC is here for a while yet and outside of Parcells what good HC has Jones appointed this century?

 

[CCBoy]

Much of this was simply a function of bad contracts from before falling off the books. You have an elite QB and that alone saves you from dumping resources into finding a QB. That is what has allowed the cowboys to be competitive and productive. We saw exactly how good this offense was without Romo. This guy couldn't win more than 1 game without Romo at the helm... It's not Garrett who kept this team afloat.

All of Romo's growth hasn't just been him growing. He was lead much of the way. That starting with Bill Parcells and currently due to Jason Garrett and his changing systems to water Tony Romo and his abilities.

 

[Galian Beast]

All of Romo's growth hasn't just been him growing. He was lead much of the way. That starting with Bill Parcells and currently due to Jason Garrett and his changing systems to water Tony Romo and his abilities.

I would say Garrett curbed his growth...

 

[CyberB0b]

That's not far off but if you show me a good defense i'll show you a good safety.
A lot of young defenses put their best athlete at Safety so he is always involved in the play.
That is basically how it ends up in the NFL.
On virtually every big play we gave up one of safeties whiffed a tackle or coverage... sometimes both.

You can not play cover 2 unless the safeties are studs. --I was a very mediocre cover 2 safety in college I know, lol.

Neither one of the teams playing in the Super Bowl have great safety play.

 

[CCBoy]

Neither one of the teams playing in the Super Bowl have great safety play.

As compared to what? Completions in their areas or all time interceptions?

 

[CyberB0b]

As compared to what? Completions in their areas or all time interceptions?

Any metric. 3/4 starting safeties are journeymen.

Panthers:

Roman Harper
Kurt Coleman

They're both the epitome of journeyman.

Broncos:

TJ Ward
Darian Stewart

Ward is a good safety, but I wouldn't call him great. Darian Stewart is a journeyman.

 

[gmoney112]

Any metric. 3/4 starting safeties are journeymen.

Panthers:

Roman Harper
Kurt Coleman

They're both the epitome of journeyman.

Broncos:

TJ Ward
Darian Stewart

Ward is a good safety, but I wouldn't call him great. Darian Stewart is a journeyman.

And yet all are still better than any safety we put on the field. Harper doesn't get pretty stats but he's underrated.

 

[CyberB0b]

And yet all are still better than any safety we put on the field. Harper doesn't get pretty stats but he's underrated.

Possibly. My original point, way back in the thread, was that there aren't that many safeties that we would call great. There's about 3-5 guys, and everyone else.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

First off, a solid cap picture finally...and this season.

Next, a very quality offensive line where a shell of injured players existed when he arrived.

Tony Romo and his receivers putting up very NFL top shelf numbers over a period of years.

Last season, the NFL's top producing running back...

Now, be realistic and not just a crying pessimist when presenting a picture. There are both elements in a complete picture. Not just crying material and framed as such.

He has done some good things but they do not necessarily equate to success on the football field. This is his make-or-break year.