Defensive Stat That Hurts

[jazzcat22]

With no pass rush and rookie defensive backs to pick on look for that number to get worse.

Actually we have vet DB's back there, the rookies will be just fine.
We still have Brown, in his second year, and will be better, Scandrick, truly 100% healthy now, Jones coming into his 3rd year and 2nd full time at FS and will be better. Then there is Heath who may or may not be the answer at SS, but he can't be any worse than Church at this point.
Also there is the vet Carrol, that will play in his more natural style of defense. Frazier in his 2nd year too. But still need to see what he can bring. Also they added vet player Blanton.

So that leaves the 3 or 4 talented rookies...so it doesn't look like a complete inexperienced secondary does it?
As for the pass rush, we added better players, and yes remains to be seen, but don't be so blinded as to feel defeated and negative, it does no good at all.
However fans must insist on the one line negative stingers.

 

[jazzcat22]

I already know where the Cowboys pass rush ranked. Middle of the pack doesn't cut it. And Jaylon and Tapper are unknowns.Taco is a rookie. Rookie defensive ends rarely make an impact. But I do hope I'm dead wrong. But I'm right more times than not .

I am too, and I say you are wrong.....

 

[Hardline]

Actually we have vet DB's back there, the rookies will be just fine.
We still have Brown, in his second year, and will be better, Scandrick, truly 100% healthy now, Jones coming into his 3rd year and 2nd full time at FS and will be better. Then there is Heath who may or may not be the answer at SS, but he can't be any worse than Church at this point.
Also there is the vet Carrol, that will play in his more natural style of defense. Frazier in his 2nd year too. But still need to see what he can bring. Also they added vet player Blanton.

So that leaves the 3 or 4 talented rookies...so it doesn't look like a complete inexperienced secondary does it?
As for the pass rush, we added better players, and yes remains to be seen, but don't be so blinded as to feel defeated and negative, it does no good at all.
However fans must insist on the one line negative stingers.

Thanks for talking me off the ledge.

 

[Hardline]

I am too, and I say you are wrong.....

I hope I am wrong.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

With no pass rush and rookie defensive backs to pick on look for that number to get worse.

lol.

 

[Kaiser]

They play a bend but don't break style. That results in a lot of yards.

Dallas was 5th in points per game allowed. That's 5th in the entire league.

And when Zeke and Dak have the team ahead by ten points in the 4th quarter, you get opponents passing more late in the game. That leads to more prevent defense where Marinelli doesn't care if you complete a ton of 5 yard passes.

 

[Idgit]

Because "Garrett had been building the TEAM" for 6 years so most fans assume that it had been built

Garrett apologists like yourself spent years telling us how he was trying to build the offense (laughable idea of course that he had any significant input into personnel but let's roll with this fantasy for now). So the offense yook 6 years to 'almost complete' with the complete blind luck drafting of Dak (otherwise we would be hoping and praying that tony can remain upright)

Now, Let's wait another 6 years for him to "build the defense" and then he can start again on the offense which will have been depleted by then

Rinse and repeat

Like I've frequently said in other threads, it's been a mistake by the organization and by Jason Garrett to not spend more resources addressing the defensive talent shortage.

As much time as you spend following me around nipping at my toes, you'd thing you'd read some of the posts you reply to.

The team *has* steadily improved under Garrett. And it is very young. You have to be blind or stupid to deny that.

That doesn't mean they haven't made mistakes along the way. If you added two 2nd round defenders in place of Gregory/Jaylon Smith to the defense prior to last season, for example, who knows if either of those hypothetical players could have made a single stop somewhere along the line in that GB playoff game. That's about all it would have taken.

I won't even dig into what we might have done with the ammunition from the #4 overall pick.

 

[Hardline]

lol.

You must have been watching a different Dallas Cowboys than the rest of us was last season.

 

[Verdict]

They play a bend but don't break style. That results in a lot of yards.

Dallas was 5th in points per game allowed. That's 5th in the entire league.

That stat is important. One of the few stats that matters more is the score on the scoreboard at the end of the game.

 

[J_Allen]

With Carr gone we should do a lot better. If quarterbacks needed a completion all they had to do was throw to Carr's side. Over 98% of the time it was getting completed.

 

[gmoney112]

They play a bend but don't break style. That results in a lot of yards.

Dallas was 5th in points per game allowed. That's 5th in the entire league.

Kinda misleading since we have a ball control offense that limits opponents possessions.

We were 13th in points allowed per drive, pretty mediocre.

My point is, we have a ton of room for improvement.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's been a combination of lack of talent in the secondary and on the DL, and it's been that way for years, all while the GM searches for models to copy instead of innovating.

What innovation were you hoping for? Or you just going to go with the nebulous notion that they should?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Like I've frequently said in other threads, it's been a mistake by the organization and by Jason Garrett to not spend more resources addressing the defensive talent shortage.

As much time as you spend following me around nipping at my toes, you'd thing you'd read some of the posts you reply to.

The team *has* steadily improved under Garrett. And it is very young. You have to be blind or stupid to deny that.

That doesn't mean they haven't made mistakes along the way. If you added two 2nd round defenders in place of Gregory/Jaylon Smith to the defense prior to last season, for example, who knows if either of those hypothetical players could have made a single stop somewhere along the line in that GB playoff game. That's about all it would have taken.

I won't even dig into what we might have done with the ammunition from the #4 overall pick.

You liked the draft then no?

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

You must have been watching a different Dallas Cowboys than the rest of us was last season.

I am talking this season. As for last year, Dallas was #13 out of 32 teams. Yup, that's NO pass rush.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/sacks

 

[DogFace]

More often than not the guys we let go were happy not to let a big play happen and just make the tackle. We all know they rarely made plays for the ball. I don't necessarily mean trying to pick it off. Just that they hardly even smacked at the ball or receivers hands/arms and tried to break up completions.

 

[Garrettop]

Dallas played against a lot of dink and dunk/WCO, which means high completion %s. What hurts is when tackles are missed ie the Giants game where OBJ takes a short pass to the house. The safeties that the team let leave were prime culprits for bad angles. It was time for a changing of the guard in the secondary to stop these short completions from turning into long gains, as well as switching out for guys who turn to look for the ball.

 

[Ranching]

"Quarterbacks completed an astounding 67.1 percent of their passes against the Cowboys – second highest in the NFL – with a passer rating of 94.1, largely thanks to Dallas’ lack of interceptions (nine)." Good for 26th in the league in passing yards allowed

Ugh, could you imagine how much different last season could have went with a decent defense/secondary. Pretty amazing we went 13-3 with that defense. I'm excited that they blew up the secondary.

That's why our defense was so good against the run, everyone just threw the ball

 

[sbark]

Middle of the pack in sacks, but bottom 3rd in hurries / pressures......
https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/total-team-defensive-hurries/2016/

....Qb's get comfy in the pocket. Pressure up the middle with M. Collins/ Irving/Crawford etc is the way to move up.

 

[Hardline]

I am talking this season. As for last year, Dallas was #13 out of 32 teams. Yup, that's NO pass rush.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/sacks

13th isn't good enough. Is 13th best ok with you?
13th best pass rush can get you booted from a divisional round playoff game.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Middle of the pack in sacks, but bottom 3rd in hurries / pressures......
https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/total-team-defensive-hurries/2016/

....Qb's get comfy in the pocket. Pressure up the middle with M. Collins/ Irving/Crawford etc is the way to move up.

Yeah it is interesting how low we are in that stat for the last few years......according to them we have been at the bottom in that stat for years.

It has to be a team effort though, can't just say pass rush and leave it alone. Pressure can come from good coverage along with pressure, you need both or else the offense will adjust and take advantage of your weakness. We want to brag about our offense, but when we have had a premium pick lately, its mostly been on offense. While I like who we got, we can't expect to have a Doomsday D when we have only used a real premium pick on Mo lately. Reaching for injured talents like Lee, Jaylon, headcases like Gregory.....can only get you so far.

Other than Mo, we haven't used a top 20 pick (not that we have had alot of them) on D since Bobby Carpenter......yeah let me bring up those nightmares. We have a great offense, as we should with the resources spent there, but we can just put our head in the sand as to why our D has been lacking for years.