DeMarco Murray vs. Adrian Peterson

[USMarineVet]

I know this topic has been shoved down everyone's throat the past few weeks, but I'm interested in knowing what your opinions are relating to the money differential you are willing to accept, with respect to retaining DeMarco as opposed to signing AP. Of course there two other routes. Those being 3) go with Randle, Dunbar, Williams or 4) Draft a RB. But for this post exclusively, at how many Million/Year are you willing to accept if we retain Murray (who is 3 years younger than AP with no legal issues) over signing a player such as AP? For our purposes, let's consider this over a 3 year contract.

Personally, I would be willing to go 3 Million per to retain him. I don't see that as a number we can't wiggle around to keep one of our stars who had such enormous production last season, without breaking the bank.

Thoughts?

 

[EST_1986]

Murray is going to get atleast 5 per year. AP I'd like on a two year deal in the 3-5 range

 

[Doomsday101]

I know this topic has been shoved down everyone's throat the past few weeks, but I'm interested in knowing what your opinions are relating to the money differential you are willing to accept, with respect to retaining DeMarco as opposed to signing AP. Of course there two other routes. Those being 3) go with Randle, Dunbar, Williams or 4) Draft a RB. But for this post exclusively, at how many Million/Year are you willing to accept if we retain Murray (who is 3 years younger than AP with no legal issues) over signing a player such as AP? For our purposes, let's consider this over a 3 year contract.

Personally, I would be willing to go 3 Million per to retain him. I don't see that as a number we can't wiggle around to keep one of our stars who had such enormous production last season, without breaking the bank.

Thoughts?

Dallas already offered 4 which is low, I figure to retain Murray we are looking at 6 which is still well below the top paid RB.

 

[USMarineVet]

Dallas already offered 4 which is low, I figure to retain Murray we are looking at 6 which is still well below the top paid RB.

Sounds like a good number to me DD. Now what would it cost us, IYO, to sign AP. For example, if AP was willing to accept 5/yr. over 3 years, do you still draw that line at 6/yr. Or are you now willing to spend 7?

What I'm trying to gather is what the dividing line is between the 2 players worth. How much do we up the ante to DeMarco in order to retain him as opposed to dropping the ball (No pun intended) and going with a player such as AP.

 

[cej757]

The most I'd be willing to give murray is 3 year deal at 6 million per year. I would offer the same deal to Peterson. I like Murray but I think this team gets a even nastier attitude if Adrian Peterson is running the ball behind that o-line.

I think we would see a very focused and almost a Super Bowl or Bust attitude if Adrian Peterson is here. Just think how excited And Hungry Peterson would be playing for his hometown team and knowing he's on a a team that can really win it all. I think Peterson would break Eric Dickerson's record next season.

 

[Doomsday101]

Sounds like a good number to me DD. Now what would it cost us, IYO, to sign AP. For example, if AP was willing to accept 5/yr. over 3 years, do you still draw that line at 6/yr. Or are you now willing to spend 7?

What I'm trying to gather is what the dividing line is between the 2 players worth. How much do we up the ante to DeMarco in order to retain him as opposed to dropping the ball (No pun intended) and going with a player such as AP.

I'm not much of a grass is greener on the other side type of guy, I would rather go with Murray who is a great fit on field and in the locker room. I also think Murray is in his prime and not as convinced as others that AP is more than human. Like most backs hitting 30 will decline very quickly and I don't think AP is immune to that.

 

[USMarineVet]

Murray is going to get atleast 5 per year. AP I'd like on a two year deal in the 3-5 range

My thinking is that AP is going to command a decent chunk of money as well. There are others eyeballing his services as well. Trust me. As talented as they both are, I just see more value in Murray if he's willing to accept a 7/yr deal. He's younger and knows our system well. It will be interesting to see "IF" we make an offer to AP and what that number will be. I know this post is hypothetical. I'm just trying to gauge people's thoughts on what the money differential value is on DeMarco.

 

[Doomsday101]

My thinking is that AP is going to command a decent chunk of money as well. There are others eyeballing his services as well. Trust me. As talented as they both are, I just see more value in Murray if he's willing to accept a 7/yr deal. He's younger and knows our system well. It will be interesting to see "IF" we make an offer to AP and what that number will be. I know this post is hypothetical. I'm just trying to gauge people's thoughts on what the money differential value is on DeMarco.

I think we will know what Dallas plans on doing with Murray before they can even talk to Peterson who currently is still under league suspension until April.

 

[USMarineVet]

Very good point DD. Does that mean we're not allowed to talk turkey with him until he is released from suspension?

 

[Doomsday101]

Very good point DD. Does that mean we're not allowed to talk turkey with him until he is released from suspension?

No one can he is under contract with the Vikes. The ball really is in Minn court of what they want to do, Zimmer has said he wants him back but nothing will be determined until April when he is back from suspension. Now there is an appeal on Feb 6th to reinstate AP but as of now he is still under league suspension

 

[Galian Beast]

To put things into perspective here are the top average salaries for players on the Dallas Cowboys.

Tony Romo - 18 million per year.
Tyron Smith - 12.2 million per year.
Brandon Carr - 10.02 million per year.
Jason Witten - 7.4 million per year.
Sean Lee - 7 million per year.
Henry Melton - 6.875 million per year (on option).
Morris Claiborne - 4.066 million per year.
Doug Free - 3.5 million per year.
Dan Bailey - 3.214 million per year.
Orlando Scandrck - 3 million per year.

 

[tyke1doe]

The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to resign Murray and then pick up a back in the draft. I'd be even okay with getting Gordon or Gurley in a trade back, as long as we can get a defensive lineman/pass rusher and a back in the second round.
AP might be a devastating back, but we really don't know what he's going to be after a year layoff and tipping 30. And then you have to integrate him into the locker room, something you don't really have to do so with Murray. Plus, Murray is younger, which is HUGE with respect to running backs.
Moreover, this team seems committed to getting to the next level. I don't know if you want to tamper with that chemistry. If Jason and Romo are begging for Murray's return, how can you say "no"? I think that speaks volumes to the fact that this team feels it's just a few pieces away from contending and wants to build instead of rebuild in areas that definitely need help vs. areas that are already set.

 

[TwoDeep3]

AP: - 3/21/85

1. Off field baggage
2. 27 fumbles in running game in NFL career
3. 4 fumbles in passing game in NFL career
4. 8 seasons as a pro
5. played in 104 games
6. has three seasons where he has played all 16 games
7. Longest run from, scrimmage 85T
8. rushing attempts - 2054 = 19.75 per contest

Murray: - 2/12/88

1. Character guy - team player - leader
2. 8 fumbles in career in running game
3. 4 fumbles in career in passing game
4. 4 seasons as a pro
5. played in 53 games
6. has one season where he has played all 16 games
7. Longest run from scrimmage 91T
8. rushing attempts - 934 = 17.62 per contest

For me this is simple math.

If Peterson wants more than 2.5 a year, I pass. To get to that price you will need to sign a long term contract. That is dead weight. So many complain about the lifespan of a RB, and yet herald Peterson as the best bet since he can break long runs.There is a serious flaw in this theory. If the worry about Murray is he will break down, then how can you consider a guy who has twice the years in the league and more carries per game.

That means these folks arguing for Peterson are doing so because of his number of long carries. But he has a high propensity for breaking down, especially since he is going to be 31 years old.

Murray is younger, better character, leader, team player, has more tread left on the tires, and we know the results when Murray is behind Romo. Personally I would not be opposed to something in the 6.5 to 7.25 range for this kid.

But there is a component most ignore. The window of opportunity.

This team has done nothing for the post Romo era. The window is now while Romo is upright. Aikman eroded quickly, and there is no visible clock on Romo to tell us the day he will not be able to make plays. His contention he has so many years left ignores that he missed time in one game and was ineffective because of his back in another.

A rookie may have something on both of these guys, but not immediately. And what rookie do YOU trust to protect Romo.

Randall and the rest break runs, but also get stuffed. And we have not seen enough of them to consider they can handle the load, and what is required in the passing game.

The hue and cry is too much money and think of the future.

The future is now, folks.

 

[Arkyvarminter]

Its pretty common for everyone to think AP is a big upgrade over Murray if we can get him. As great as AP has been, I don't know if this is true at this point in time. I also don't think Murray is going anywhere so it really doesn't matter.......

 

[iceberg]

I know this topic has been shoved down everyone's throat the past few weeks, but I'm interested in knowing what your opinions are relating to the money differential you are willing to accept, with respect to retaining DeMarco as opposed to signing AP. Of course there two other routes. Those being 3) go with Randle, Dunbar, Williams or 4) Draft a RB. But for this post exclusively, at how many Million/Year are you willing to accept if we retain Murray (who is 3 years younger than AP with no legal issues) over signing a player such as AP? For our purposes, let's consider this over a 3 year contract.

Personally, I would be willing to go 3 Million per to retain him. I don't see that as a number we can't wiggle around to keep one of our stars who had such enormous production last season, without breaking the bank.

Thoughts?

Thafs it. Im outta here. See everyone next preseason

 

[JBS]

AP: - 3/21/85

1. Off field baggage
2. 27 fumbles in running game in NFL career
3. 4 fumbles in passing game in NFL career
4. 8 seasons as a pro
5. played in 104 games
6. has three seasons where he has played all 16 games
7. Longest run from, scrimmage 85T
8. rushing attempts - 2054 = 19.75 per contest

Murray: - 2/12/88

1. Character guy - team player - leader
2. 8 fumbles in career in running game
3. 4 fumbles in career in passing game
4. 4 seasons as a pro
5. played in 53 games
6. has one season where he has played all 16 games
7. Longest run from scrimmage 91T
8. rushing attempts - 934 = 17.62 per contest

For me this is simple math.

If Peterson wants more than 2.5 a year, I pass. To get to that price you will need to sign a long term contract. That is dead weight. So many complain about the lifespan of a RB, and yet herald Peterson as the best bet since he can break long runs.There is a serious flaw in this theory. If the worry about Murray is he will break down, then how can you consider a guy who has twice the years in the league and more carries per game.

That means these folks arguing for Peterson are doing so because of his number of long carries. But he has a high propensity for breaking down, especially since he is going to be 31 years old.

Murray is younger, better character, leader, team player, has more tread left on the tires, and we know the results when Murray is behind Romo. Personally I would not be opposed to something in the 6.5 to 7.25 range for this kid.

But there is a component most ignore. The window of opportunity.

This team has done nothing for the post Romo era. The window is now while Romo is upright. Aikman eroded quickly, and there is no visible clock on Romo to tell us the day he will not be able to make plays. His contention he has so many years left ignores that he missed time in one game and was ineffective because of his back in another.

A rookie may have something on both of these guys, but not immediately. And what rookie do YOU trust to protect Romo.

Randall and the rest break runs, but also get stuffed. And we have not seen enough of them to consider they can handle the load, and what is required in the passing game.

The hue and cry is too much money and think of the future.

The future is now, folks.

Simple math doesn't help when you are using the wrong formula

 

[Nightman]

To put things into perspective here are the top average salaries for players on the Dallas Cowboys.

Tony Romo - 18 million per year.
Tyron Smith - 12.2 million per year.
Brandon Carr - 10.02 million per year.
Jason Witten - 7.4 million per year.
Sean Lee - 7 million per year.
Henry Melton - 6.875 million per year (on option).
Morris Claiborne - 4.066 million per year.
Doug Free - 3.5 million per year.
Dan Bailey - 3.214 million per year.
Orlando Scandrck - 3 million per year.

How can anyone argue that Murray isn't worth what Witten, Lee and Melton make

They barely want to pay him Bailey and Free money

 

[Alweezy]

Here's my simple math:

Sign some rookie or promote from within if you want to make it back to the playoffs.

Resign Murray if you want to get to the Superbowl.

Sign Peterson if you want to win the Super Bowl.


And that's if we're talking about a 3 year window of opportunity to strike while the iron is hottest.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

So we are gonna sign Peterson who won't be a free agent until 2018.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/adrian-peterson/

 

[Alweezy]

So we are gonna sign Peterson who won't be a free agent until 2018.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/adrian-peterson/

Not sure if you're watching the situation, but

1. PR storm
2. High Salary

Has led to Peterson's return to Minnesota in jeopardy The fact that we (and several other teams) are even having this conversation shows just how things have deteriorated up there.