DeMarco Murray vs. Adrian Peterson

[Broges74]

AP WILL be on the market. AP will NOT get anyone to pay what Murray can get. At worst AP = DM at this juncture so if you can get AP for less than DM, I think you go for it. However, if DM will take a deal within 1 mil of what AP would take to come home, you go do that deal. The problem is that neither back should be signed for longer than 2 years. Murray may well be on his was to retirement with another 400 touch season. Maybe the best thing to do on offense is have both and split those 400 touches into 2. Bit that would set us back on D which justifiably is the primary focus this offseason.

 

[Broges74]

You guys make me laugh

AP to Dallas is a done deal

Any other year, I would agree but Jerry is turning over a new leaf and this may not be such a sure bet as years gone by .

 

[DallasDomination]

Simple math doesn't help when you are using the wrong formula

Lol this had me rolling.. AP > Murray any day of the week. And I'm not thinking twice about it.

 

[CF74]

My first choice would be Murray on a 3-4 year deal at 5.5 to 6.5 per max, lower if at all possible. I just hate messing with a good thing and we are in win now mode again...

2nd choice draft somebody.

3rd choice AP on a 2 year deal at the same numbers above or lower if at all possible.

4rth choice Ingram 2 years at 2 mill per.

 

[xwalker]

I know this topic has been shoved down everyone's throat the past few weeks, but I'm interested in knowing what your opinions are relating to the money differential you are willing to accept, with respect to retaining DeMarco as opposed to signing AP. Of course there two other routes. Those being 3) go with Randle, Dunbar, Williams or 4) Draft a RB. But for this post exclusively, at how many Million/Year are you willing to accept if we retain Murray (who is 3 years younger than AP with no legal issues) over signing a player such as AP? For our purposes, let's consider this over a 3 year contract.

Personally, I would be willing to go 3 Million per to retain him. I don't see that as a number we can't wiggle around to keep one of our stars who had such enormous production last season, without breaking the bank.

Thoughts?

The #1 problem with Peterson is that he is still suspended and can't apply for reinstatement until April. Somebody will sign Murray before April.

http://athlonsports.com/nfl/adrian-peterson-suspended-where-will-he-play-2015

 

[USMarineVet]

Murray isn't at all likely to accept 3 million if he's already balked at four. Adrian Peterson isn't out of Minny as yet and most likely won't be inclined to make himself available for what the Cowboys are willing to offer.

The Dallas organization, under its current setup, is now devoting itself to a revised salary structure that doesn't include their excessive spending habits of the past. That's largely why we're currently enjoying the success we're seeing with this team at this juncture.

I'm not optimistic at all about retaining Murray nor acquiring Adrian Peterson. It's simply a matter of doing what Stephen, Garrett and Will McClay deem healthy. Jerry has finally stepped aside. This is apparently a new and improved version of the Cowboys' organization that I think we all may have to get used to. Personally, I like it much better.

Good post Bullflop, but I meant paying DM 3 mill/yr in differential over AP. In other words, if we would pay AP 4mill/yr I'd be willing to go 7mill/yr to retain DM. He's definitely worth it IMO.

 

[Bullflop]

Good post Bullflop, but I meant paying DM 3 mill/yr in differential over AP. In other words, if we would pay AP 4mill/yr I'd be willing to go 7mill/yr to retain DM. He's definitely worth it IMO.

Aha, that "splains" your intent in clearer terms to me. You might be right but in the end, though, I'm sure it'll boil down to what DM, the FO and Garrett are willing to financially agree to before a deal can be struck. It promises to be some tricky negotiating between those involved.

It's also entirely possible another team may be inclined to make a ridiculously bold offer that DeMarco wouldn't be able to resist. If that happens, his departure might be something that simply can't be avoided.

I can't help but doubt the FO would be willing to exceed 6 million at the most -- just a guess on my part, however. I do feel confident everyone involved will arrive at what's best for the team in the end. I honestly doubt AP would likely be willing to accept a mere 4 million bucks per year. He's become accustomed to making much more. He'd likely want at least twice that much, assuming he actually gets free of Minnesota in time.

 

[MichaelValentino]

I like Murray - he gives you 100% effort, runs hard inside, has a beautiful cut-back, catches the ball well and he helps out in pass protection. He had one of the greatest seasons for a RB in Cowboys history. So there's no shortage of love for DM on my part.

But Peterson has been an all-world back since he first stepped onto an NFL playing field. He has power, speed and physicality. He is more explosive than Murray and has had (still has?) better top end speed. Murray is one of the best all-around backs in the NFL today. Peterson is arguably the greatest running back since Sanders and Emmitt, and will be mentioned with the all-time best backs.

If the Cowboys can get Peterson I'd be pretty pumped. The window is narrow and I think they can win it all with Peterson and, obviously, the addition of two or three new starters on D.

AD runs with almost as much physicality as Walter Payton and his speed is just below an Eric Dickerson. Where Murray often got caught in the open field, Peterson would have taken it to the house.

Romo does not have 5-7 years. I say if the Cowboys can get AD go for it. Win in 2015 and 2016.

Oh, and draft a RB this year if they go with AD. Gurley or Coleman in round 2 would be sweet. Gordon probably won't be around late in the 2nd.

 

[USMarineVet]

Aha, that "splains" your intent in clearer terms to me. You might be right but in the end, though, I'm sure it'll boil down to what DM, the FO and Garrett are willing to financially agree to before a deal can be struck. It promises to be some tricky negotiating between those involved.

It's also entirely possible another team may be inclined to make a ridiculously bold offer that DeMarco wouldn't be able to resist. If that happens, his departure might be something that simply can't be avoided.

I can't help but doubt the FO would be willing to exceed 6 million at the most -- just a guess on my part, however. I do feel confident everyone involved will arrive at what's best for the team in the end. I honestly doubt AP would likely be willing to accept a mere 4 million bucks per year. He's become accustomed to making much more. He'd likely want at least twice that much, assuming he actually gets free of Minnesota in time.

I agree completely with your statement. If we're outbid on one or both players we will have no choice but to go in a different direction. I'm willing to bend, but not break the future of this team. Bend because we really are in a position to make a run at the title, but I'd rather be smart and secure our future for years to come rather than be a one year wonder. I hate being repetitive and beating this horse to death, but I'm really anxious to see what happens. How many of us, if we had the talent, would be willing to settle for so much less to wear the Star? *Sigh*

 

[Arkyvarminter]

Murray is RKG...AP, not so much...

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Y

AP: - 3/21/85

1. Off field baggage
2. 27 fumbles in running game in NFL career
3. 4 fumbles in passing game in NFL career
4. 8 seasons as a pro
5. played in 104 games
6. has three seasons where he has played all 16 games
7. Longest run from, scrimmage 85T
8. rushing attempts - 2054 = 19.75 per contest

Murray: - 2/12/88

1. Character guy - team player - leader
2. 8 fumbles in career in running game
3. 4 fumbles in career in passing game
4. 4 seasons as a pro
5. played in 53 games
6. has one season where he has played all 16 games
7. Longest run from scrimmage 91T
8. rushing attempts - 934 = 17.62 per contest

For me this is simple math.

If Peterson wants more than 2.5 a year, I pass. To get to that price you will need to sign a long term contract. That is dead weight. So many complain about the lifespan of a RB, and yet herald Peterson as the best bet since he can break long runs.There is a serious flaw in this theory. If the worry about Murray is he will break down, then how can you consider a guy who has twice the years in the league and more carries per game.

That means these folks arguing for Peterson are doing so because of his number of long carries. But he has a high propensity for breaking down, especially since he is going to be 31 years old.

Murray is younger, better character, leader, team player, has more tread left on the tires, and we know the results when Murray is behind Romo. Personally I would not be opposed to something in the 6.5 to 7.25 range for this kid.

But there is a component most ignore. The window of opportunity.

This team has done nothing for the post Romo era. The window is now while Romo is upright. Aikman eroded quickly, and there is no visible clock on Romo to tell us the day he will not be able to make plays. His contention he has so many years left ignores that he missed time in one game and was ineffective because of his back in another.

A rookie may have something on both of these guys, but not immediately. And what rookie do YOU trust to protect Romo.

Randall and the rest break runs, but also get stuffed. And we have not seen enough of them to consider they can handle the load, and what is required in the passing game.

The hue and cry is too much money and think of the future.

The future is now, folks.

I'd the future is now you go get a guy like Peterson who is better than Murray at.... well... everything.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

No one can he is under contract with the Vikes. The ball really is in Minn court of what they want to do, Zimmer has said he wants him back but nothing will be determined until April when he is back from suspension. Now there is an appeal on Feb 6th to reinstate AP but as of now he is still under league suspension

Man, he has all the leverage.

He should dangle him out there for a short window, see who shows their hand?

Letting all know that AFTER suspension.... Things go up! Lol

 

[USMarineVet]

I like Murray - he gives you 100% effort, runs hard inside, has a beautiful cut-back, catches the ball well and he helps out in pass protection. He had one of the greatest seasons for a RB in Cowboys history. So there's no shortage of love for DM on my part.

But Peterson has been an all-world back since he first stepped onto an NFL playing field. He has power, speed and physicality. He is more explosive than Murray and has had (still has?) better top end speed. Murray is one of the best all-around backs in the NFL today. Peterson is arguably the greatest running back since Sanders and Emmitt, and will be mentioned with the all-time best backs.

If the Cowboys can get Peterson I'd be pretty pumped. The window is narrow and I think they can win it all with Peterson and, obviously, the addition of two or three new starters on D.

AD runs with almost as much physicality as Walter Payton and his speed is just below an Eric Dickerson. Where Murray often got caught in the open field, Peterson would have taken it to the house.

Romo does not have 5-7 years. I say if the Cowboys can get AD go for it. Win in 2015 and 2016.

Oh, and draft a RB this year if they go with AD. Gurley or Coleman in round 2 would be sweet. Gordon probably won't be around late in the 2nd.

Great post Mr. Valentino. I look forward to reading more of your posts. I highly doubt Gurley will be available at 59 but if he is, and we get him, that means we picked a defensive player at 27. I'm good with that. Coleman, on the other hand is very capable of falling to us in the 2nd. After a quick research I see he is ranked to go #48, which as we know is never a given. I just watched his 2014 highlight reel and two words crossed my mind. Explosive and elusive. I'll have to research him further concerning his character and work ethic but there is no doubt the man has talent. I agree in signing Murray to a short-term deal, if feasible, and going the extra yard on either of these RBs to give us temporary low cost talent as we delve into the future.

P.S. Welcome Aboard

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Murray worth 3m more per year than AD?

LOL

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Y

I'd the future is now you go get a guy like Peterson who is better than Murray at.... well... everything.

More reason for Minn not to release him.

 

[MichaelValentino]

Great post Mr. Valentino. I look forward to reading more of your posts. I highly doubt Gurley will be available at 59 but if he is, and we get him, that means we picked a defensive player at 27. I'm good with that. Coleman, on the other hand is very capable of falling to us in the 2nd. After a quick research I see he is ranked to go #48, which as we know is never a given. I just watched his 2014 highlight reel and two words crossed my mind. Explosive and elusive. I'll have to research him further concerning his character and work ethic but there is no doubt the man has talent. I agree in signing Murray to a short-term deal, if feasible, and going the extra yard on either of these RBs to give us temporary low cost talent as we delve into the future.

P.S. Welcome Aboard

Thank you, sir. And major respect to the USMC and thank you for your service. When I was a young boy the Blue Angels and Marines were my heroes. To this day, I still believe the USMC dress blues is the most distinguished military uniform in the world bar none.

I agree, Gurley is just too good to be around at 59. JJ might need a trade up to grab him. Coleman may be around. Gordon, I think, is going in the 1st round.

I would take Coleman over anyone on the Cowboys roster not wearing no. 29. I think Gordon will be a great back, and probably Gurley as well.

I do think AD hitting the holes the Cowboys OL makes will produce a lot of highlight reel TD runs. A guy can dream, right?

 

[USMarineVet]

Thank you, sir. And major respect to the USMC and thank you for your service. When I was a young boy the Blue Angels and Marines were my heroes. To this day, I still believe the USMC dress blues is the most distinguished military uniform in the world bar none.

I agree, Gurley is just too good to be around at 59. JJ might need a trade up to grab him. Coleman may be around. Gordon, I think, is going in the 1st round.

I would take Coleman over anyone on the Cowboys roster not wearing no. 29. I think Gordon will be a great back, and probably Gurley as well.

I do think AD hitting the holes the Cowboys OL makes will produce a lot of highlight reel TD runs. A guy can dream, right?

Ironically, after Desert Storm and accumulating some head and leg injuries, I did a lat move to the Air Wing where, after going back to school, I became an Avionics Technician on the F/A-18 Hornet. 3rd MAW, 11th MAG, VMFA-242(AW) The Bats out of El Toro. As you know the Blue Angels fly the Hornet and I'm most privileged to say that I've seen them many times. Our Corps would have been honored to have a man such as you. I "get" people without having to know them.

Pushing all that mumbo jumbo aside, I will say this. My heart is with Murray. My heart is with all the players. But at the same time my heart is more with the team. Regardless of which direction we go, I have renewed confidence that our guys are finally going in a direction that will sustain us over the long term. In a perfect world we'd have Staubach starting, with Troy as his backup, and Romo as the 3rd. Maybe even Meredith on the practice squad? *chuckle* All kidding aside, point is, the Dallas Cowboys, and we as fans, have a lot to evaluate and consider with a knowledge that we know nothing as to how this will transpire. But as fans, we can hope. We can hope that our FO does well in their evaluation process and makes the correct decisions. Oh yes Sir, we can hope.

And yes, it's ok to dream...

 

[Arkyvarminter]

I've never liked AP since the "Modern Day Slavery" comment. Maybe I shouldn't base my dislike on one comment but it is what it is. If he comes here I won't have a choice but to pull for him but I'll never like him.....

 

[coult44]

DM- 1800 yards- good human being- 26 years old- team leader- has relationship with current team- respected by everyone- wants to be a Cowboy.

AD- current Viking under contract- piece of crap human being- beats kids till they bleed- has horrible judgement - has 7 kids with 7 women- and has 2 years left maybeeee-

Easy choice

 

[German Corner]

Thank you, sir. And major respect to the USMC and thank you for your service. When I was a young boy the Blue Angels and Marines were my heroes. To this day, I still believe the USMC dress blues is the most distinguished military uniform in the world bar none.

I agree, Gurley is just too good to be around at 59. JJ might need a trade up to grab him. Coleman may be around. Gordon, I think, is going in the 1st round.

I would take Coleman over anyone on the Cowboys roster not wearing no. 29. I think Gordon will be a great back, and probably Gurley as well.

I do think AD hitting the holes the Cowboys OL makes will produce a lot of highlight reel TD runs. A guy can dream, right?

i haven't read anywhere we might get both murray and peterson. why not? i think adrian peterson would take not much to be a part of a team that's going to win a super bowl. murray i think will take less to be a part of the team also. jerry jones impress us and make it happen. we will one two teams to death. go cowboys!!!!