DeMarco Murray vs. Adrian Peterson

[PJTHEDOORS]

Not sure if you're watching the situation, but

1. PR storm
2. High Salary

Has led to Peterson's return to Minnesota in jeopardy The fact that we (and several other teams) are even having this conversation shows just how things have deteriorated up there.

And Minnesota has made no mention of releasing him. So until then.

 

[Alweezy]

And Minnesota has made no mention of releasing him. So until then.

I see what you are saying, but if that was the case and Minnesota was truly just going to ride this AD horse into the sunset to get there money's worth one way or another as is being implied here, they'd just come out and say he's coming back and end all the distractions.


You got Mike Zimmer up there speaking in half truth's on the status of their franchise RB, and how it be nice if he "gets" to come back.


His departure has nothing to do with football and is strictly political. Points 1 & 2 make the decision that much harder for the Vikings. The same questions we're asking down here about paying a 30 year old RB, they are having too, and they get the added benefit of dealing with PR problems that we and other suitors would not deal with to that extreme. A change of scenery for both sides could do wonders.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

The most I'd be willing to give murray is 3 year deal at 6 million per year. I would offer the same deal to Peterson. I like Murray but I think this team gets a even nastier attitude if Adrian Peterson is running the ball behind that o-line.

I think we would see a very focused and almost a Super Bowl or Bust attitude if Adrian Peterson is here. Just think how excited And Hungry Peterson would be playing for his hometown team and knowing he's on a a team that can really win it all. I think Peterson would break Eric Dickerson's record next season.

Wow just wow

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Its pretty common for everyone to think AP is a big upgrade over Murray if we can get him. As great as AP has been, I don't know if this is true at this point in time. I also don't think Murray is going anywhere so it really doesn't matter.......

Not every one.

 

[waving monkey]

AP: - 3/21/85

1. Off field baggage
2. 27 fumbles in running game in NFL career
3. 4 fumbles in passing game in NFL career
4. 8 seasons as a pro
5. played in 104 games
6. has three seasons where he has played all 16 games
7. Longest run from, scrimmage 85T
8. rushing attempts - 2054 = 19.75 per contest

Murray: - 2/12/88

1. Character guy - team player - leader
2. 8 fumbles in career in running game
3. 4 fumbles in career in passing game
4. 4 seasons as a pro
5. played in 53 games
6. has one season where he has played all 16 games
7. Longest run from scrimmage 91T
8. rushing attempts - 934 = 17.62 per contest

For me this is simple math.

If Peterson wants more than 2.5 a year, I pass. To get to that price you will need to sign a long term contract. That is dead weight. So many complain about the lifespan of a RB, and yet herald Peterson as the best bet since he can break long runs.There is a serious flaw in this theory. If the worry about Murray is he will break down, then how can you consider a guy who has twice the years in the league and more carries per game.

That means these folks arguing for Peterson are doing so because of his number of long carries. But he has a high propensity for breaking down, especially since he is going to be 31 years old.

Murray is younger, better character, leader, team player, has more tread left on the tires, and we know the results when Murray is behind Romo. Personally I would not be opposed to something in the 6.5 to 7.25 range for this kid.

But there is a component most ignore. The window of opportunity.

This team has done nothing for the post Romo era. The window is now while Romo is upright. Aikman eroded quickly, and there is no visible clock on Romo to tell us the day he will not be able to make plays. His contention he has so many years left ignores that he missed time in one game and was ineffective because of his back in another.

A rookie may have something on both of these guys, but not immediately. And what rookie do YOU trust to protect Romo.

Randall and the rest break runs, but also get stuffed. And we have not seen enough of them to consider they can handle the load, and what is required in the passing game.

The hue and cry is too much money and think of the future.

The future is now, folks.

Just say no to AP
Murray I would pass also but of the two Murray by a mile

 

[SportsGuru80]

Murray is going to get atleast 5 per year. AP I'd like on a two year deal in the 3-5 range

Not going to happen...

 

[TrailBlazer]

I wouldn't go more than 6 for murray. And I wouldn't be particularly thrilled about paying that much either.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

I see what you are saying, but if that was the case and Minnesota was truly just going to ride this AD horse into the sunset to get there money's worth one way or another as is being implied here, they'd just come out and say he's coming back and end all the distractions

Maybe because he is under contract and only distractions are on fan boards as this.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Man the off season sucks.

 

[Bullflop]

I know this topic has been shoved down everyone's throat the past few weeks, but I'm interested in knowing what your opinions are relating to the money differential you are willing to accept, with respect to retaining DeMarco as opposed to signing AP. Of course there two other routes. Those being 3) go with Randle, Dunbar, Williams or 4) Draft a RB. But for this post exclusively, at how many Million/Year are you willing to accept if we retain Murray (who is 3 years younger than AP with no legal issues) over signing a player such as AP? For our purposes, let's consider this over a 3 year contract.

Personally, I would be willing to go 3 Million per to retain him. I don't see that as a number we can't wiggle around to keep one of our stars who had such enormous production last season, without breaking the bank.

Thoughts?

Murray isn't at all likely to accept 3 million if he's already balked at four. Adrian Peterson isn't out of Minny as yet and most likely won't be inclined to make himself available for what the Cowboys are willing to offer.

The Dallas organization, under its current setup, is now devoting itself to a revised salary structure that doesn't include their excessive spending habits of the past. That's largely why we're currently enjoying the success we're seeing with this team at this juncture.

I'm not optimistic at all about retaining Murray nor acquiring Adrian Peterson. It's simply a matter of doing what Stephen, Garrett and Will McClay deem healthy. Jerry has finally stepped aside. This is apparently a new and improved version of the Cowboys' organization that I think we all may have to get used to. Personally, I like it much better.

 

[EST_1986]

Not going to happen...

Thanks for letter me know Jerry

 

[visionary]

You guys make me laugh

AP to Dallas is a done deal

 

[Vinnie2u]

I'm fine going into the season with Randle-Williams-Rookie... Cut Dunbar and Clutts.. Use the Demarco or AP money on Defense.. money better spent..

 

[Gridiron Man]

Running back isn't as tough a nut to crack as it used to be. Murray helped this defense tremendously. I'd rather the defense be able to hold it's own with an infusion of talent. Once we solve that, a solid running game would be good enough to get the job done. Selling out to resign Murray or pay for the likes of Peterson will hurt our prospects at solidifying our defense.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Running back isn't as tough a nut to crack as it used to be. Murray helped this defense tremendously. I'd rather the defense be able to hold it's own with an infusion of talent. Once we solve that, a solid running game would be good enough to get the job done. Selling out to resign Murray or pay for the likes of Peterson will hurt our prospects at solidifying our defense.

It's not all about yards. Murray was very good at Keeping Romo's jersey clean to. Who want's to hope the next man up can do so?

 

[PJDallasfan]

I think what it really boils down to is if Murray prices himself out of Big D. I think most of us would hope he doesn't and hope he is not playing just cuz of the money and really believes what he says about this being a family and the team like his brothers. If so I think he stays if not then he's gone. I think we are just seeing what we have in Murray, idk just my opinion.

Cowboys for Life!!

 

[Gridiron Man]

It's not all about yards. Murray was very good at Keeping Romo's jersey clean to. Who want's to hope the next man up can do so?

I doubt the coaches are going to put a back in whose pass blocking is insufficient. Murray's not the only running back who can pass block.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I doubt the coaches are going to put a back in whose pass blocking is insufficient. Murray's not the only running back who can pass block.

No he's not you are correct. The problem is if they sign a rookie you don't know if he can or not. With the window being what it is for Romo why risk it?
You want to watch Weedon play some more? I don't unless we are up huge and he's in relief.

 

[Gridiron Man]

No he's not you are correct. The problem is if they sign a rookie you don't know if he can or not. With the window being what it is for Romo why risk it?
You want to watch Weedon play some more? I don't unless we are up huge and he's in relief.

You're assuming the worst of an alternative to Murray. There are proven backs on the market in free agency that are much cheaper and proven to be adequate. I don't think we need a workhorse either. Do as many teams do with a two headed or three headed approach and see which one out performs the competition. One solid player from FA and our rookies we've been grooming.

C.J. Spiller comes to mind.

 

[Alweezy]

Maybe because he is under contract and only distractions are on fan boards as this.

The top RB in the league is out for the year in a high profile civil trial that has crossed over into National media because of the child abuse aspects and your response is distractions are only here on sports forums? I get it now.. Alright man.. I say Up, you say Down. White is black. Cold is hot.

MINNEAPOLIS -- The Minnesota Vikings' 2-4 start has featured all manner of stressors for first-year coach Mike Zimmer -- injuries to key players, three starting quarterbacks in the team's first five games, several arrests, the ongoing legal troubles of Adrian Peterson -- but few have led the coach to react as viscerally as he did after a 17-3 loss to the Detroit Lions on Sunday.

Zimmer chastised his team for a lack of focus leading up to the game and said he had to fine several players during the week for being late to meetings. Those fines will get more expensive this week, he added.

The Vikings committed nine penalties, allowed eight sacks and converted just three of their 14 third-down opportunities in their loss to the Lions.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11690082/mike-zimmer-says-tired-minnesota-vikings-distractions

Here is a good article that offers perspective from Minnesota's front office:

Peterson sat out nearly all of the 2014 season on paid leave after being indicted on a felony charge for injuring his 4-year-old son while disciplining him with a wooden switch. He pled no-contest to a lesser charge Nov. 4.

Two weeks later, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell suspended Peterson for at least the rest of the 2014 season. Appeals officer Harold Henderson upheld the ban, an arbitration award the NFL Players Association is trying to overturn in federal court. An initial hearing in that case is scheduled in U.S. District Court in Minneapolis on Feb. 6.

There is no hard deadline for the Vikings to make a decision, but they'll certainly need to have contingency plans in place. Peterson's future was a topic of discussion even before his legal issues began, given his age and a non-guaranteed salary of $12.75 million in 2015.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...m-adrian-peterson-outlook-suspension/21761529

Facts
1. PR is in shambles
2. Peterson's contract is too high for his position and age.
3. (New Fact) He's already been paid Guaranteed money.

No team in their right mind is going to trade for that contract. If the Vikings retain him, they will certainly be overpaying him as the value of the RB contract has significantly dropped since 2011 when that contract was established.. If the Vikings cut him. They pay almost nothing to do so and can go along with the 30 year old RB's don't need to make that much money narrative and come out clean in the wash.

Just as it'd be a great move here in Dallas for us to resign a younger Murray and pass on Peterson. It is equally the same question in Minnesota. They are keeping mum on this because just like us they want to see what their options will be on April 15.

So to your original point, sure Adrian Peterson is under contract. But these unusual circumstances make him expendable in a way that doesn't make the Minnesota suits and wigs look like they are fumbling the ball here. That is why this conversation is happening.