Twitter: DeMarcus Lawrence tweet image of fumble at NFL

[Screw The Hall]

Looked like a fumble but 1) the rules are pretty clear as to why there wasn't a review and we didn't have TO because our coach loves to blow TOs 2) the same defense whining about the fumbles had opportunities to get off the field before that play and didn't make the plays.

So they just look like sore losers now. LVE *****ing to the media, Lawrence complaining and then tweeting, etc.

Anytime LVE talks in front of the media, I cringe. He comes off like a 12 year old trying to join in grownup conversations.

 

[Blake]

Anytime LVE talks in front of the media, I cringe. He comes off like a 12 year old trying to join in grownup conversations.

Well a lot of pro athletes have been coddled their entire lives so no real surprise there.

 

[Hook'em#11]

No excuses. This team cannot beat a team that has some talent on the team. Sure, they can beat up on scrubs. Which they should be able to do. But, when it gets to the TB's, Cards, Rams, Pack., etc? Yeah. One and done in the playoffs.

 

[RonnieT24]

and the Bucs got whooped for most of their game, and the Rams got whooped for most of their game.... to deny that fumble being ruled down by contact didnt have a major impact on the game is just FOOLISH.

Here's the thing about the whole "can't blame the refs" argument. When people say "why didn't you make a play sooner?" My response is who is to say the refs don't just screw them sooner? The defense made the stop and got the turnover we needed. And the refs screwed them out of it. And why the hell can't the replay official step in without a challenge? When there is a question of possession aren't they supposed to buzz down automatically? Everybody watching on TV saw the fumble.. everybody in the stadium saw the fumble. Why didn't the guy being paid to watch for such things see it? This is why I don't trust the NFL and never will as long as Goodell is in charge.

 

[RonnieT24]

Dallas should have had a timeout left but they were forced to use it after the previous play even though the RB was out of bounds. One bogus call led to them not being able to challenge the other.

Exactly.. the guy's entire body landed out of bounds.. but they left the clock running.. I don't know how people who claim to be Cowboys fans can continually excuse this kind of BS from the refs and the league..

 

[Aven8]

The Cowboys defense had over 4 minutes and change to force a stop. Ariz said “hold my beer” and literally ran out the clock. Yes that was a fumble. But the Cowboys had multiple opportunities to get a stop BEFORE that play. If they hadn’t blown a timeout earlier, they could have challenged it.

This was a team loss. Offense, defense and STs just flat got beat.

This. It was evident from the start who wanted that game more. I said last week this was going to be a tough game. They were the best team in football for the first 12 weeks.

 

[phildadon86]

The helmet counts as a knee fyi.

“…when a runner is contacted by an opponent and touches the ground with any part of his body other than his hands or feet. The ball is dead the instant the runner touches the ground.”

Everyone is so worried about his knees they’re not looking at the rest of his body:

He still has the ball in that moment and is down by contact

Does it? Why wasn't the clock stopped on the prior play when parsons took Edmunds out of bounds? Where was the delay of game?

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Does it? Why wasn't the clock stopped on the prior play when parsons took Edmunds out of bounds? Where was the delay of game?

Taking a player out of bounds keeps the clock running if they call forward progress. But if you’re talking about 0:20, his knee is down inbounds:



Delay of game is a bit more complicated. The NFL has stated a few times that refs are taught to watch the playclock, and when it hits 0, they turn to see if the QB has hiked the ball yet. So naturally there should always be a forgiving area of time there, but depending on the ref you get that can vary… like strike zones for umps.

Im not saying Cowboys didn’t get screwed on calls in that game, but those two in particular are explainable.

 

[RonnieT24]

Taking a player out of bounds keeps the clock running. The player must leave the field of play of his own accord. That’s always been a rule

Delay of game is a bit more complicated. The NFL has stated a few times that refs are taught to watch the playclock, and when it hits 0, they turn to see if the QB has hiked the ball yet. So naturally there should always be a forgiving area of time there, but depending on the ref you get that can vary… like strike zones for umps.

Im not saying Cowboys didn’t get screwed on calls in that game, but those two in particular are explainable.

Nonsense.. the clock stops when guys are pushed out of bounds all the time.. In fact we have seen guys struggle to stay in bounds and get pushed or stumble out and stop the clock and go back to the huddle tapping their chest because they were mad at themselves. If you get knocked out of bounds the clock stops.. no matter what you yourself were trying to do.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Nonsense.. the clock stops when guys are pushed out of bounds all the time.. In fact we have seen guys struggle to stay in bounds and get pushed or stumble out and stop the clock and go back to the huddle tapping their chest because they were mad at themselves. If you get knocked out of bounds the clock stops.. no matter what you yourself were trying to do.

That rule has to do with forward progress. But is the play you’re referring to the one at 0:20? His knee is clearly Down inbounds

 

[RonnieT24]

Does it? Why wasn't the clock stopped on the prior play when parsons took Edmunds out of bounds? Where was the delay of game?

The other problem with this guy arguing that his helmet was down before the ball came out is that you can clearly see that before the helmet his Lawrence has already ripped the ball away from him. Lawrence should also have tweeted the sideline camera view that shows the back's left arm stretched out to break his fall.. the only reason the ball is even against his body as long as it was was because Lawrence was holding it.

 

[phildadon86]

That rule has to do with forward progress. But is the play you’re referring to the one at 0:20? His knee is clearly Down inbounds

His hand was down out of bounds first. This isn't the first time the Cowboys have been screwed by the clock continuing to run when it shouldn't. See the Seattle game a few years ago. You know the one when Pete Caroll tried calling back to back time outs

 

[RonnieT24]

That rule has to do with forward progress. But is the play you’re referring to the one at 0:20? His knee is clearly Down inbounds

No I was referring to the play at 2:49 when Edmunds is running right and Parsons hits him and knocks him out of bounds as he starts trying to go down in bounds. He never makes it to the ground before Parsons hits him. He does manage to get his knee down in bounds but his left hand is already out of bounds. There is no rule about whether you MEANT to go out of bounds or not. If you go out of bounds you go out of bounds.

 

[MarcusRock]

Oh please....the point was the league has been screwing us for years....I know it...everyone knows it. And if you didn't know...the league came out and said they botched the call in Green Bay.

You liar. No they did not. You were probably one of a bunch of hysterical posters in a thread here who rabidly believed that the league was admitting they called the play wrong when they announced that they changed the catch rule, which they had talked about for months before. When they rolled it out, they specifically mentioned the play, among others, saying it WOULD BE called good by the rules currently, not that it was called wrong then. You victims are funny but it's your right to make up what you need to feel better. I'm just here to tell you you're lying to yourself.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

His hand was down out of bounds first. This isn't the first time the Cowboys have been screwed by the clock continuing to run when it shouldn't. See the Seattle game a few years ago. You know the one when Pete Caroll tried calling back to back time outs

? His entire leg is on the ground before his hand touches anything

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

No I was referring to the play at 2:49 when Edmunds is running right and Parsons hits him and knocks him out of bounds as he starts trying to go down in bounds. He never makes it to the ground before Parsons hits him. He does manage to get his knee down in bounds but his left hand is already out of bounds. There is no rule about whether you MEANT to go out of bounds or not. If you go out of bounds you go out of bounds.

It’s only a 1:30 video… 2:49?

 

[RonnieT24]

His hand was down out of bounds first. This isn't the first time the Cowboys have been screwed by the clock continuing to run when it shouldn't. See the Seattle game a few years ago. You know the one when Pete Caroll tried calling back to back time outs

Yeah people who hate the Cowboys won't acknowledge these screw jobs man.. "Just play better.." If they don't call it a fumble the first time force the fumble again.. Surely they won't screw you out of it the second time.. right?

 

[GMO415]

Stop blaming the refs. Cowboys came out flat and stayed that way.

 

[RonnieT24]

It’s only a 1:30 video… 2:49?

I am watching the game footage not your clip.

 

[TheGoat73]

2 plays…3 missed calls in Arizona’s favor.